Thundegod Cid

What were you thinking??? Not even ozama was this bad. It requires too much group coordination for 24 man raid. I have yet to complete it because he so damm cheap. One group always wipes the other. This was way too overtuned hw raids are superior in every way.

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Originally Posted by Grimr

One group always wipes the other.

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Mechanics to the back and left, never right. That's all you need to know to keep from killing each other.

For each alliance group, stay in the middle of two circles, and split your group. Seems people find it easiest to have tanks and heals go left, everyone else go right. When the Ozma-like meteor/orb mechanic comes in, just have that person drop the orb farthest from the stackup circle. It will not reach the stackup circle.

He's really overwhelming for a new fight, yep. But once you realize that those AoEs of his don't hit as far as they look, those domes don't expand nearly as far as you think they do, and that the AoEs in the adds phase stagger, you realize there's really not all that much going on, you suddenly realize it's not any worse than Hashmal.

Then you get to the final boss and then.

Well.

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Originally Posted by Grimr

One group always wipes the other. This was way too overtuned hw raids are superior in every way.

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It's barely been 24hrs since the content was released, what did you think was going to happen. Players are learning mechs and still getting used to the fight, if you wanted an easy clear perhaps don't do it on the first day.

Also once people learn it, you're gonna realize how fluid the fight really is. It's just chaos right now because everything is like "WHOA DO WHAT WHEN AND WHERE NOW?!" Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust like every other fight. Including those HW fights you brought up. If you were there for Ozma and Scathach when they were new, you know full well they caused just as many posts like yours here did.

And I'm just gonna repeat it. I wanna hear your opinion of the final fight. XD

I'm more baffled who Ozama is and Thundegod.

One sounds similar towards a past president and the other sounds like the Dollar Store knockoff.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I'm more baffled who Ozama is and Thundegod.

One sounds similar towards a past president and the other sounds like the Dollar Store knockoff.

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I don't know what you mean by the former, and the later is FFT's Cid. Thunder God Cid Orlandeau is the name he was known as, and he was an insanely powerful character you recruited to your team.

No-no, they're referring to the OP's rage-fueled typos.

Ohhhhhhhh. Yeah, to be honest, I just kinda stopped reading OP's post at 'coordination'.

One thing I will say about boss #3 , get the markers right. All other mechanics are on you to learn, but if this is wrong you’ll wipe.

In my first and failed attempted, A was placed to the left, B to the right and C to the back.
This was clearly wrong, as the mob that spawned where C was ended up targeting a member of alliance A with a line AoE (me specifically, it’s a golden overhead marker, while the circle/donut AoE is a red one) and when we returned to the main arena, alliance A landed right on top of C’s marker.
This meant that everyone had to run around the arena to get back to their original starting points, and that we couldn’t direct the mob’s line AoE’s to the edge of the arena, causing them to cut across and hit more people.

So remember people. A goes to the back, and I presume B is left and C is right, and take the mob to your right (they don’t spawn exactly on the markers)

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Originally Posted by Grimr

What were you thinking??? Not even ozama was this bad. It requires too much group coordination for 24 man raid. I have yet to complete it because he so damm cheap. One group always wipes the other. This was way too overtuned hw raids are superior in every way.

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You sound exactly like a lot of people when whining city came out. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Mechanics to the back and left, never right. That's all you need to know to keep from killing each other.

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Exactly this.

OP, follow these instructions to the letter and you will profit.

The group i was in last night marked the spots between the circles and the "meteors" were dropped to either side. But back and left worked fine for Ozma, so itd work here too(and was what i was expecting until they decided to switch it up). And OP, were you playing the HW 24 man raids when they were new? People used to fail to chuchu, they used to fail to forgall and ozma, hell i saw groups fail at every step of dun scaith - and some of these things still happen in DF today! Orbonne isnt tuned any higher then anything that came before it, its just new and people are still learning.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

The group i was in last night marked the spots between the circles and the "meteors" were dropped to either side. But back and left worked fine for Ozma, so itd work here too

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This is a great way to handle it. One should keep in mind, however, that if you want to mark the spots between each party's two platforms and maintain the back-and-left precedent, you should mark these specific platforms:

https://i.imgur.com/HmcEbap.png

If you mark them A-left B-middle C-right (as in the left diagram), after the landing, the parties will be on their left platforms, and Crush Weapon can pose some confusion as people try to decide between running it left or right.

The bleed bubbles shouldn't pose any major confusion: each party has two bleed bubbles and two assigned platforms; place them on your own platforms and not on your neighbors'.

I fought him yesterday blind. It was a lot of fun. Sure, it’s easy to get everyone killed with a mechanic it’s all actually very simple.

Granted the moment I saw that Cidolfous Orlandeu was the 3rd boss I was afraid. VERY afraid. He was so broken in Tactics it wasn’t even funny. Glad they made the fight like that.

The noobs and scrubs will git gud or git gone! So has the Thundergod decreed!

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Originally Posted by Ilan

You sound exactly like a lot of people when whining city came out. :rolleyes:

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Don't you mean wiping city?

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Originally Posted by Rongway

This is a great way to handle it. One should keep in mind, however, that if you want to mark the spots between each party's two platforms and maintain the back-and-left precedent, you should mark these specific platforms:

https://i.imgur.com/HmcEbap.png

If you mark them A-left B-middle C-right (as in the left diagram), after the landing, the parties will be on their left platforms, and Crush Weapon can pose some confusion as people try to decide between running it left or right.

The bleed bubbles shouldn't pose any major confusion: each party has two bleed bubbles and two assigned platforms; place them on your own platforms and not on your neighbors'.

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I don't really agree with this. I think it's much more important to have the markers reflect where each alliance's add spawn and returning locations are.
I don't see what advantage you're gaining by rotating it around by one circle, crush weapon isn't nearly as dangerous messing up the add phase or the bubbles. It's not difficult to get it away from the rest of the party.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...f-the-new-raid

This diagram makes much more sense.

my first run went pretty smooth other than one wipe and I went in like I always do......blind.

one guy in the party called out the mechs before each fight, thundergod is like ozma but someone threw an evolution stone on him, maybe a few actually.

I really liked the whole run and have a feeling it'll be a place that'll stay tough like dun scaith did in HW, i just wish amped up tanks would wait for those who die in the final moments of battles and have to run to the group, which is why I think the raids one issue is no mobs which means no buffer to gather yourselves.

I think rabanasty did pacing very well compared to arbonne

Eh, I've had groups that struggled and groups that one-shotted it.

Honestly, the worst thing I have seen is poor marker placement. I had a group that placed a marker on every platform and assigned 2 to each group. It made things over complicated and just had people confused as to where they need to be.

Place the markers on the bridge in between 2 circles and just tell people never to leave those 2 circles. Place the bubbles in the back. It's so much simpler.

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Originally Posted by Grimr

What were you thinking??? Not even ozama was this bad. It requires too much group coordination for 24 man raid. I have yet to complete it because he so damm cheap. One group always wipes the other. This was way too overtuned hw raids are superior in every way.

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This is why we cant have nice things.

I kind of quit around Heavensward so I never got to try those on release day. But in comparison, LotA was way worse than this new raid. It wasn't uncommon to get wipes on the first trash pull. The place wasn't even hard, but for some reason there were issues in coordinating simple things, just like with the new raid.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

This is a great way to handle it. One should keep in mind, however, that if you want to mark the spots between each party's two platforms and maintain the back-and-left precedent, you should mark these specific platforms:

https://i.imgur.com/HmcEbap.png

If you mark them A-left B-middle C-right (as in the left diagram), after the landing, the parties will be on their left platforms, and Crush Weapon can pose some confusion as people try to decide between running it left or right.

The bleed bubbles shouldn't pose any major confusion: each party has two bleed bubbles and two assigned platforms; place them on your own platforms and not on your neighbors'.

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I also have to disagree with this and I will echo what Seraphor said on the previous page. The best way to handle this is shown in the image below (from Reddit)... once in a while Reddit does deliver some ridiculous and outrageous information that is wrong but this indeed a simple and effective method. I got my main and alternate characters through the battle with this strategy.


https://i.redd.it/ezgfdh54bo921.png

The whole idea of a "Thunder God" is wrong imo. The boss theme is from Vagrant Story's final boss so the boss should've been Guildenstern in demonic look (as is during second / last part of final boss battle in said game). THere ain't any thunder god appearing in VS as well.. and since it takes place in Ivalice as well...

I wonder why did this happen at all.. SE puts a high effort in collaborating with some random utter shit game (MH) but fails to merge own 2 very good games. Tbh, even a trained ape can merge other game's theme. Once a made content, stick to it, please...

Given that Matsuno worked on all the Ivalice titles, I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing when he had music added for each boss/approved what music was used. Given that in XIV Tactics story happened long before XII's story while the opposite is true of the Ivalice games we don't even know where Vagrant Story would currently fit in, if it has even happened yet (or ever will. The answer being probably not).

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Originally Posted by Maerdhina

The whole idea of a "Thunder God" is wrong imo. The boss theme is from Vagrant Story's final boss so the boss should've been Guildenstern in demonic look (as is during second / last part of final boss battle in said game). THere ain't any thunder god appearing in VS as well.. and since it takes place in Ivalice as well...

I wonder why did this happen at all.. SE puts a high effort in collaborating with some random utter shit game (MH) but fails to merge own 2 very good games. Tbh, even a trained ape can merge other game's theme. Once a made content, stick to it, please...

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Er... the whole idea behind this arc has been mixing up the various ivalice characters and content.
There's nothing wrong with using the VS music over T.G.Cid.
Do you want to complain that the Orbonne Monastery isnt located in the Golmore jungle, or that Goug wasnt the Pharos at Ridoranna?

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Originally Posted by Maerdhina

The whole idea of a "Thunder God" is wrong imo.

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So theres an unspoken theme to this final raid of the tier. Ramza and his friends made a great sacrifice to seal away Ultima and keep the world safe. The first 3 bosses are companions who helped Ramza during his quest, with "Thunder God" Cid being the one so strong he basically breaks the original game(FF Tactics - the original ivalice game). Then once you show those guardians youre strong enough to beat Ultima they not only let you in, they help you in the fight(theyre the ones putting up the shield during the Ultima phase transition). So it certainly fits in. Or are you only upset that they used VS music for a non-VS boss?

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Originally Posted by Frizze

So theres an unspoken theme to this final raid of the tier. Ramza and his friends made a great sacrifice to seal away Ultima and keep the world safe. The first 3 bosses are companions who helped Ramza during his quest, with "Thunder God" Cid being the one so strong he basically breaks the original game(FF Tactics - the original ivalice game). Then once you show those guardians youre strong enough to beat Ultima they not only let you in, they help you in the fight(theyre the ones putting up the shield during the Ultima phase transition). So it certainly fits in. Or are you only upset that they used VS music for a non-VS boss?

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I think they also destroy the three adds right before that don't they? After the boss goes immune and the adds all start doing their mechancis right before the bubble phase.

From the perspective of one who has no idea about FF-Tactics or any titles related to Rabanastre, the Monastary or any of these raids, I can say that T.G.CID was hands-down my favourite encounter of the bunch as well as my favourite boss-theme of the raid. I'm also unsurprised that, after checking for the theme on YouTube after the raid to re-hear it without the pant-wetting chaos of playing it blind, the majority of comments are from people who appreciated the music choice.

There will obviously be those who are a bit more pedantic about such details or would prefer X for Y reason, but as far as I'm concerned... Love it all. It is also no surprise that (now some time has passed) groups are breezing through it. Having done it blind I know more than enough to do it smoothly next time. It is natural for new content to seem difficult when mostly everyone has to learn what it's about. There were a few deaths but even this blind Healer managed to luck my way through it by just keeping an eye on the raid and learning what Cid's animations meant.

Thunder God was fun, I think I prefer Agrias though. That may be in part paladin bias though with the 'sword and shield' mechanics.

I get we all have our preferences/quirks but I'm not sure why those mechanics would matter. Having to stand in some circle with a Sword and/or Shield on it and press F isn't exactly memorable, nor does it make me think of Paladin just because they actually use swords and shields (and I say that as someone who began as a PLD main). That fight (to me) is the weakest of all four raid encounters for various reasons. Thundergod is a different matter as he ticks various boxes that make him resonate with casual raiders - the '3rd-boss-difficulty' reputation (and living up to it) is just one of them.

Say fellas, about the boss I had a question. First of all, I'm used to run this raid as a tank so in that case, I'm a tank (thank you Captain Obvious.)

So something has always been bothering me about this boss. More particularly during the add phase. I know the mechanics of this phase so it's no problem, and I can tank it just fine while in DPS stance with from time to time, if I feel things are gonna get ugly, a CD.

The thing is that, for no apparent reasons, I got OS 2 times, each time on a separate run, even if I was at over 50% of my life. Even my team was confused about that. As far as I know there are no tankbusters.

I tried to narrow down the possibilities:

-Auto-Attack? Not much of a problem like I said.
-Stack mechanic? Sure, but I can survive that even if I'm only with one person in it.
-The marker for the aoe that goes into a straight line? Got hit one time by that but I can't remember the damage it caused. Managed to dodge it, or teammates placed it accordingly, the other times.

So what do you think OS me?

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Originally Posted by AxHell

So what do you think OS me?

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I'm going to guess something related to the tether mechanic, Crush Armor. It's really tempting to pick up the tether as the tank but I've found that if you do, the auto attacks start to really chunk your HP so it must drop your defense value by a significant amount. Best to let the dps pick up the tether and rotate it between them so they don't die.

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Originally Posted by Zephera

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There are no tethers during the add phase. I said that me getting OS, happened during the add phase.

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Originally Posted by AxHell

There are no tethers during the add phase. I said that me getting OS, happened during the add phase.

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Missed that bit sorry. Not sure what could be killing you so quick there, only thing that killed me fast in the whole fight when I tanked it was crush armor. Never had a problem with the add phase myself.

I have only seen him being an issue the first week. Last runs were super smooth, even in DF...

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Originally Posted by AxHell

Say fellas, about the boss I had a question. First of all, I'm used to run this raid as a tank so in that case, I'm a tank (thank you Captain Obvious.)

So something has always been bothering me about this boss. More particularly during the add phase. I know the mechanics of this phase so it's no problem, and I can tank it just fine while in DPS stance with from time to time, if I feel things are gonna get ugly, a CD.

The thing is that, for no apparent reasons, I got OS 2 times, each time on a separate run, even if I was at over 50% of my life. Even my team was confused about that. As far as I know there are no tankbusters.

I tried to narrow down the possibilities:

-Auto-Attack? Not much of a problem like I said.
-Stack mechanic? Sure, but I can survive that even if I'm only with one person in it.
-The marker for the aoe that goes into a straight line? Got hit one time by that but I can't remember the damage it caused. Managed to dodge it, or teammates placed it accordingly, the other times.

So what do you think OS me?

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Had a similar thing happen, although as DPS so probably less surprising. But I had no idea what it was either, it happened during the stack, but we were all stacked, and the damage was shared out evenly for about 30% HP across the party, except me and one other DPS got OS KOd even though everyone was at full health.
I can only assume that there was simultaneous damage from the AoE that was delayed due to lag.

Maybe two line aoe were pointed at you.

I've seen quite a few tanks die from the tankbuster (Crush Helm). I noticed that before this hits the tank usually has a (cleansable) stacked debuff (up to 4*) on him. Haven't check yet what that was, but a friend told that this is a Vuln-up debuff. Using Esuna has unfortunately gotten out of favor by a lot healers I've seen in the last few months, maybe this was the reason you died ? When I'm running this with my BRD I usually use Wardens Paeon, Natures Minne and Palisade (when it's not on CD) on the tank.

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Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien

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I see what you are talking about but it always disappears (pretty quickly also) before the add phase comes up so I don't think it can be the cause.

One thing I forgot to mention though is that I get OS right before the wipe, when the bar fills up to 100%.