Alphascape 4.0 is worse than Flowerpot

I had a gtx1070, 2K monitor,
in Alphascape 4.0, the stage looks so simple & flat, but my fps dropped to 45-50,

I had to upgrade to 2080 to keep my fps over 60

Can I have my flowerpot back?it looks a lot nicer than this big flat ground
（I'm serious, because FFXIV looks a little dated now )

*pics from internet
https://i.imgur.com/qTEtsbv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fHbNQ30.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UhIXBpR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Tkgtk71.jpg
pleeease?

I have a 1080 and stay over 100. My laptop has a 1070 and no problem staying over 80-90. It's not the area but most likely your card. I think it was going bad. I have friends that have less than a 1070 and don't have any problem.

I have a brand new card RX 560 (not the greatest but 2x as powerful as my old one), get easy 60+ FPS everywhere else but here. But it's weird, if the camera is pointed toward the middle of the arena, FPS drops to 40. When the camera is facing the vastness of space behind the fighting, it shoots back up to 60. I dunno. Maybe it needs new drivers, maybe there's a memory leak or somethin'.

I have a GTX 1060 6GB and a QHD (I assume this is what you mean by "2K") monitor and get 60fps in there. It might be a VRAM issue there, or simply that you had a weird card incompatibility. But I guess if you have the money for a 2080, do whatever you want.

1070
1440 x 3660
50+ fps max settings tweaks in Nvidia dashboard.

Just tested.

What's your CPU & ram?


Also if you already upgraded to 2080, like you say and you have +60 fps now... then why make this thread?
Why not make this thread before buying a 2080?

Could be a driver issue or software issue or a setting somewhere that was wrong...

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Originally Posted by Lucke

I have a brand new card RX 560 (not the greatest but 2x as powerful as my old one), get easy 60+ FPS everywhere else but here. But it's weird, if the camera is pointed toward the middle of the arena, FPS drops to 40. When the camera is facing the vastness of space behind the fighting, it shoots back up to 60. I dunno. Maybe it needs new drivers, maybe there's a memory leak or somethin'.

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Yes, if you look at the floor in Alphascape 4.0, the fps drop a lot.

No, it's not hardware issue,
SE seems wasted a lot of polygons on the flat ground

Even with my 2080, it eats up to 70% GPU resources, it's on par with the Shadow of the Tomb Raider, this is crazy

Has to be a hardware issue on your end. I play on a GTX 970M (so a laptop card) running ReShade at 1080p and lowest mine has dropped in v12 is ~55 FPS. Most angles I get 60 FPS. I have other's battle effects set to limited, mine on all. Friend of mine plays at 4K on a 980 with ~40 FPS.

I have bigger FPS drops with the exploding fists in v11s than in v12.
Sounds like your 1070 was a bad card.

I get a slight FPS dip in O12, but nothing that I'm gonna lose sleep over. I get worse dips in hunts and Eureka.


I'm used to 30 FPS limit in a lot of stuff that I play so it takes a more significant drop than that to start affecting my enjoyment.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

I have a brand new card RX 560 (not the greatest but 2x as powerful as my old one), get easy 60+ FPS everywhere else but here. But it's weird, if the camera is pointed toward the middle of the arena, FPS drops to 40. When the camera is facing the vastness of space behind the fighting, it shoots back up to 60. I dunno. Maybe it needs new drivers, maybe there's a memory leak or somethin'.

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From memory, all the rings rotate separately, don't they?

I remember a while ago when I was trying to run the game Portal on my old not-built-for-gaming laptop, and there's a particular spot with a staircase made up of individual moving pieces - and if I looked at it, it brought the computer to a crawl, but looking away fixed it again.)

So, it could be the same sort of issue, with the determining factor being whether the 'busy' area is displayed on your screen or not.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Has to be a hardware issue on your end. I play on a GTX 970M (so a laptop card) running ReShade at 1080p and lowest mine has dropped in v12 is ~55 FPS. Most angles I get 60 FPS. I have other's battle effects set to limited, mine on all. Friend of mine plays at 4K on a 980 with ~40 FPS.

I have bigger FPS drops with the exploding fists in v11s than in v12.
Sounds like your 1070 was a bad card.

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If you turn off HBAO+:Quality, the FPS will increase a lot here,
but if you turn it on (Maximum setting) & using a 2560x1440 monitor, you are screwed

Same happened to Alphascape 1.0, if your Transparent Lighting Quality is set to High, the fps will drop a lot (I can't see any difference between Normal & High settings:confused:)

my 1070FE is super stable, it never crash , that card has no issue at all.

I am fine with 4X-5xFPS if the graphics are nice (FFXV etc),but this flat ground...:confused:

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

If you turn off HBAO+:Quality, the FPS will increase a lot here,
but if you turn it on (Maximum setting) & using a 2560x1440 monitor, you are screwed

Same happened to Alphascape 1.0, if your Transparent Lighting Quality is set to High, the fps will drop a lot (I can't see any difference between Normal & High settings:confused:)

my 1070FE is super stable, it never crash , that card has no issue at all.

I am fine with 4X-5xFPS if the graphics are nice (FFXV etc),but this flat ground...:confused:

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Dunno what to tell you. I have a vastly inferior system to yours and the only places where I dip below 60 FPS are high congestion areas (like Eureka, when I did it) or when there’s a massive influx of graphical effects (smoke effect from the fists in v11s, Magitek Bits phase transition in UwU, and these were experienced by my raid mates who all have better systems than myself). Lowest I get in v12 is ~55; I doubt I even hit 50 FPS regardless of my camera angle. And, as I said, I run ReShade on custom settings. No, not everything is maxed, but considering the age of my card and the fact to that I play on a laptop and still have steady performance, that’s what leads me to say that your card was either defective out of the box or started to die early. Nothing you can do; it happens.

I wouldn't waste more time complaining about how "flat" the game is though. The Devs have made it abundantly clear we won't see graphical updates no matter how loud we cry. So just play the game.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Dunno what to tell you. I have a vastly inferior system to yours and the only places where I dip below 60 FPS are high congestion areas (like Eureka, when I did it) or when there’s a massive influx of graphical effects (smoke effect from the fists in v11s, Magitek Bits phase transition in UwU, and these were experienced by my raid mates who all have better systems than myself). Lowest I get in v12 is ~55; I doubt I even hit 50 FPS regardless of my camera angle. And, as I said, I run ReShade on custom settings. No, not everything is maxed, but considering the age of my card and the fact to that I play on a laptop and still have steady performance, that’s what leads me to say that your card was either defective out of the box or started to die early. Nothing you can do; it happens.

I wouldn't waste more time complaining about how "flat" the game is though. The Devs have made it abundantly clear we won't see graphical updates no matter how loud we cry. So just play the game.

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Then why don't you try my settings? (maximun+2560x1440) , & don't use Reshade
my1070 doesn't have any issues on other games , include Monster hunter world ,FFXV (~45FPS, but the graphics are far better than FFXIV),
it's the game issue, no card, I've said that even with my 2080, it will eats up to 70% GPU power here

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

Then why don't you try my settings? (maximun+2560x1440) , & don't use Reshade
my1070 doesn't have any issues on other games , include Monster hunter world ,FFXV (~45FPS, but the graphics are far better than FFXIV),
it's the game issue, no card, I've said that even with my 2080, it will eats up to 70% GPU power here

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I guess you missed where I said I play on a laptop - I don't get that resolution and I play with most of the settings custom or on max. Still don't have FPS issues on a card far older and inferior to a 1070 or 2080.

Just go play the game, dude.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I guess you missed where I said I play on a laptop - I don't get that resolution and I play with most of the settings custom or on max. Still don't have FPS issues on a card far older and inferior to a 1070 or 2080.

Just go play the game, dude.

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Then why don't you try connect your laptop to a 2560x1440 monitor,with Maximum setting, & see how many FPS you get in Alphascape4.0?
And get a 1070 or 2080, & see your card is broken too or not?
BS is not fun, just a waste of time

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

Then why don't you try connect your laptop to a 2560x1440 monitor,with Maximum setting, & see how many FPS you get in Alphascape4.0?
And get a 1070 or 2080, & see your card is broken too or not?

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Sure. Gonna give me some funds for these purchases?

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BS is not fun, just a waste of time

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Don’t play and just complain then?
Have a nice evening. Done wasting time on this.

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

If you turn off HBAO+:Quality, the FPS will increase a lot here,
but if you turn it on (Maximum setting) & using a 2560x1440 monitor, you are screwed

Same happened to Alphascape 1.0, if your Transparent Lighting Quality is set to High, the fps will drop a lot (I can't see any difference between Normal & High settings:confused:)

my 1070FE is super stable, it never crash , that card has no issue at all.

I am fine with 4X-5xFPS if the graphics are nice (FFXV etc),but this flat ground...:confused:

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So turn it off. HBAO does very little and drains a huge amount of FPS. You can get far better results using reshade. Maxing out the settings just because you can is why you're struggling. Even a good card won't be able to maintain a consistent 60 FPS because unlike say, The Witcher 3, MMOs have to load far more moving parts due to being a live game. With that in mind, if your CPU is lagging behind, it won't matter how good your GPU is. Your computer's CPU simply can't handle the load.

Seriously though. Go download reshade and look around for filters people have made. It does a far better job than maxing out your settings will.

I have a GTX 1080, 16GB DDR3 RAM, and an i7-3770K. I've looked down at the floor directly, never had my FPS dip (at least a considerable amount, since I use the overhead view for the stack+split parts, I think I drop like 1 frame). Use a 1920x1080 monitor for it though, and capped at 60fps. I can try taking off the FPS limiter and see how that affects things if you'd like. Since, if it's true, we should see a good strong deterioration of FPS even on my 1080p monitor correct. Although, it wouldn't be a dip I'd notice.

Try PS4 standard, I noticed that the framerate in O12 dipped by quite a bit and had to set draw quality from high to normal... And that's not a good sign for optimization on PS4 standard... Not sure about PS4 Pro though...

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Try PS4 standard, I noticed that the framerate in O12 dipped by quite a bit and had to set draw quality from high to normal... And that's not a good sign for optimization on PS4 standard... Not sure about PS4 Pro though...

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I haven't noticed any issues with my PS4 - not to say that they never happened, but not enough to remember.

That does remind me that a common complaint with the game The Last Guardian was framerate slowdown, but I noticed very little issues myself - just occasional times where it was loading a large area. But other people seemed to think it was a major issue.

I don't have a Pro, but my PS4 was quite new at the time, so I wondered if it's not just a matter of "normal vs Pro" but whether there's difference in performance between different types or ages of normal PS4 consoles.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I have a GTX 1080, 16GB DDR3 RAM, and an i7-3770K. I've looked down at the floor directly, never had my FPS dip (at least a considerable amount, since I use the overhead view for the stack+split parts, I think I drop like 1 frame). Use a 1920x1080 monitor for it though, and capped at 60fps. I can try taking off the FPS limiter and see how that affects things if you'd like. Since, if it's true, we should see a good strong deterioration of FPS even on my 1080p monitor correct. Although, it wouldn't be a dip I'd notice.

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1920x1080=2073600 pixels
2560x1440=3686400 pixels

In Limsa Lominsa, my 1070 got 95fps under 1080p,
but only 58-65fps under 2K, it's even slower than a 970(by~10%) under 1080p
2K needs a lot more power to render

And I've tried 4K (real 4K, Win10 dpi set to 100%), & 1070 FPS drop to 25 in Limsa Lominsa
3840x2160=8294400 pixels，it‘s 4 times than 1080p

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

So turn it off. HBAO does very little and drains a huge amount of FPS. You can get far better results using reshade. Maxing out the settings just because you can is why you're struggling. Even a good card won't be able to maintain a consistent 60 FPS because unlike say, The Witcher 3, MMOs have to load far more moving parts due to being a live game. With that in mind, if your CPU is lagging behind, it won't matter how good your GPU is. Your computer's CPU simply can't handle the load.

Seriously though. Go download reshade and look around for filters people have made. It does a far better job than maxing out your settings will.

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I don't mind to turn the settings down if XIV has the same level of graphic quality as XV,
but this is XIV, a game released in 2013....FXAA, low quality textures, many things are dated
& Alphascape4.0 looks too bland if I turn HBAO+ off

Why I said Alphascape4.0 is worse than flowerpot, it's because the XIV 1.x developers had put some efforts to create a beautiful flowerpot。
but Alphascape 4.0, The developers put a huge amount of polygons on the ground,
and it looks not very nice, & they are just some copy & paste. it's only laziness， just wasting resources

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

Why I said Alphascape4.0 is worse than flowerpot, it's because the XIV 1.x developers had put some efforts to create a beautiful flowerpot。
but Alphascape 4.0, The developers put a huge amount of polygons on the ground,
and it looks not very nice, & they are just some copy & paste. it's only laziness， just wasting resources

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So you want us to battle Omega... in the flowerpot?

Because otherwise I don't know why you're equating the two.

One is a matter of (in)efficient modelling, the other is about art design.

It wouldn't matter whether we are playing with pixel sprites or 1.0's graphics or seamless virtual reality - we are still going to be battling Omega in an abstract galactic void.

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So you want us to battle Omega... in the flowerpot?

Because otherwise I don't know why you're equating the two.

One is a matter of (in)efficient modelling, the other is about art design.

It wouldn't matter whether we are playing with pixel sprites or 1.0's graphics or seamless virtual reality - we are still going to be battling Omega in an abstract galactic void.

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I want to battle Omega in a carefully designed, cool, nice looking battle field
not battle it in a flowerplot, or in a lazy designed flat ground(& it eats up a lot of GPU power, that makes it worse)
is that clear? sorry for my poor english

The reason why we only fight on flat circular arenas (sometimes squares or rectangles) is because of Twintania and the Glitchy Boogaloo. it's unfortunate, but at least SE are finding ways to include the ground itself into mechanics in some shape or form depending on the fight.
Savage version of the fight gets a neat looking background once you clear the gate.

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

I want to battle Omega in a carefully designed, cool, nice looking battle field
not battle it in a flowerplot, or in a lazy designed flat ground(& it eats up a lot of GPU power, that makes it worse)
is that clear? sorry for my poor english

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hate to say it but given every raid boss arena has been either a circle a square or a rectangle and they tied omega with space not much they could do to make a circular platform interesting better to look at the outside of the arena as that is where the nice pretty stuff is anyway would i like a fight that uses and changes the ground like Halicarnassus again sure 9/10 ain't going to happen though least alpha 4 is better than sigma 4 savage platform as i can see it way more clearly >__> so many run offs
Currently have no noticeable drop rates on ps4 pro for it so it may very well be what the ps4 was manufactured with later models tend to have better parts

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Originally Posted by Nestama

The reason why we only fight on flat circular arenas (sometimes squares or rectangles) is because of Twintania and the Glitchy Boogaloo. it's unfortunate, but at least SE are finding ways to include the ground itself into mechanics in some shape or form depending on the fight.
Savage version of the fight gets a neat looking background once you clear the gate.

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So, SE picked an easy & safe route again

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Originally Posted by Crushnight

hate to say it but given every raid boss arena has been either a circle a square or a rectangle and they tied omega with space not much they could do to make a circular platform interesting better to look at the outside of the arena as that is where the nice pretty stuff is anyway would i like a fight that uses and changes the ground like Halicarnassus again sure 9/10 ain't going to happen though least alpha 4 is better than sigma 4 savage platform as i can see it way more clearly >__> so many run offs
Currently have no noticeable drop rates on ps4 pro for it so it may very well be what the ps4 was manufactured with later models tend to have better parts

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a circle or square is ok, but why it costs so much GPU power? and it looks so simple, not cool,
help nvidia sell their cards?
:confused::confused::confused:

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

So, SE picked an easy & safe route again

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Just means they can focus on making the mechanics and such without having to worry about glitches or exploits players could find (Twintania's battlefield was closed for awhile in 2013, if I recall) and possibly never report. I get sick of the circular arenas as well, but I can look past that if the mechanics are neat, or keep me focused on the fight (the second Pantokrator in V11S is a trip).

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

I want to battle Omega in a carefully designed, cool, nice looking battle field
not battle it in a flowerplot, or in a lazy designed flat ground(& it eats up a lot of GPU power, that makes it worse)
is that clear? sorry for my poor english

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Sorry, sarcasm doesn't travel over text. You said you wanted a flowerpot instead of Omega's arena.

I do realise you didn't mean to equate the two, but your statement doesn't make sense. I don't see how they're related.

You'd still get the same "lazy" Omega arena regardless of how many polygons are in the flowerpot.

Anyway, it's not lazy just because you don't like the design of it.



And while I don't understand all this talk of computer settings (and I'm playing on PS4 so it doesn't matter to me), it sounds like you're turning them up way past what the program is expected to run on. Take the advice of the other people who seem to know what they're talking about, and see if it helps.

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Originally Posted by ShanXiv

1920x1080=2073600 pixels
2560x1440=3686400 pixels

In Limsa Lominsa, my 1070 got 95fps under 1080p,
but only 58-65fps under 2K, it's even slower than a 970(by~10%) under 1080p
2K needs a lot more power to render

And I've tried 4K (real 4K, Win10 dpi set to 100%), & 1070 FPS drop to 25 in Limsa Lominsa
3840x2160=8294400 pixels，it‘s 4 times than 1080p

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Let me clarify... the idea behind this would be that I see just how much it affects it because my settings would be uncapped (thus my GPU would always be at 100% load). So regardless of the pixel count involved, there would be a significant change if what you're saying is true. With the 60fps cap, I can't say for certain if it does affect it, which is why I asked if you wanted me to do that (since truth be told, I'm not putting my VR headset on for it, since I play kb/m and that won't translate well into VR, and I have no interest in going above 1080p on my non-VR monitors). That way if you wanted me to, I could look and see what it does on mine and see if there is something amiss here that we need to figure out. I just wanted to help out that was all!

I think this is a hardware issue, my FPS didnt drop noticeably in 4.0 and what's being suggested would almost certainly cause huge FPS drops for most people.

It looks strikingly like OP.