World Visiting system

I'm making this post shortly after they showed off in the live letter about the system, that you can buy items from the world you visit. I'm going to list some concerns

1. with the ability to buy from market board this could cause "some people" to raid servers to buy up one item.

2. Prices will level out but not for a long time.

I think the community for FFXIV is great, but my worried is for those few people out there, that will use this system for ill. I would ask to rethink about the buying thing.

I hope a system can be figured out to help with this concern.

I do agree. Crafting/playing the marketboard game is endgame for a lot of players I know, and this is only going to take the fun and enjoyment out of that for them. I hope it's reconsidered.

After the initial few months, when the prices balances out, it will be a way bigger market for all crafters concerned.
I don't see how this will take the fun and enjoyment out.

Agreed. Either share the marketplace completely, from the start, or limit trades to cross-world friends at most.

They should just completely share the marketplace and make it Datacenter wide xD.

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Originally Posted by RareItems

They should just completely share the marketplace and make it Datacenter wide xD.

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I think they actually wanted to do that and couldn't. I remember a comment along those lines on the live reddit updater.

I'm also concerned about this. People can just purchase something in a destination world for cheaper, move back to their own, and resell at a higher price. Also, what about RMT?

"Oh look, this item here selling for 500k on my server is only 10k here. Let me buy it all and go back to sell it for massive profit!"

Also...

"Okay, so let's move all of this gil between servers now by selling an Allagan Silver piece for 999,999,999 gil on this board and have one of our mules buy it."

Why would someone buy cheaper on one world and resell higher on another, when everyone can go shopping for the best prices, and that's exactly what this new system will do, enable lower prices across the board.
As it is, the EU economy is insane, people pay 1m for an item that uses 20k worth of material, no more shall you.

I predict that the prices for all items would drop, as there would be more competition for all items on all worlds. There will be a lot more undercutters, so make your money now peeps!

People from high inflation servers would benefit the most, since they will have more money in their pocket to quickly buy items from the low inflation servers.

I welcome the lower prices on everything once the initial chaos dies down. I'm lazy to farm gil and I mostly buy vanity items off the MB and having them at lower prices will be a boon for me.

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Originally Posted by Dirwen

I welcome the lower prices on everything once the initial chaos dies down. I'm lazy to farm gil and I mostly buy vanity items off the MB and having them at lower prices will be a boon for me.

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Some worlds will end up lower, some will end up higher. Some servers might find the things they've come to rely on to make money no longer do, while others might find that they can no longer afford the things they used to...... Or it could be totally fine, but that's not them most likely outcome.

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Originally Posted by Malzian

Some worlds will end up lower, some will end up higher. Some servers might find the things they've come to rely on to make money no longer do, while others might find that they can no longer afford the things they used to...... Or it could be totally fine, but that's not them most likely outcome.

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Why would any end up higher when every person has the option to buy it from someone selling lower. It will take time to balance out, to be sure, but the only reason you would price stuff higher than the "average" would be to catch lazy people who didn't want to bargain shop and at that point... it's kinda their fault.

Wonder if the infusion prices are going to tank even harder now that the bot farmers have to worry about cross-server competition.

It could actually result in an awful situation where people are forced to adopt unreasonably low prices if their server happens to be one of the odd few that doesn't have a MB dominated by bots.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Why would any end up higher when every person has the option to buy it from someone selling lower.

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There was one week where the fashion report was theorized to use the highland coat, so people rushed the market and bought it out. It didn't even end up being the right item, but the price was increased 10x just the same. It didn't go back down either. All it took was one person buying out all the cheap ones. There's a lot of people with ridiculous amounts of gil. Like needing alts because they have max gil kind of ridiculous. Any server where things are cheaper will just have everything bought out, and the price will increase with that pretend demand.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

There was one week where the fashion report was theorized to use the highland coat, so people rushed the market and bought it out. It didn't even end up being the right item, but the price was increased 10x just the same. It didn't go back down either. All it took was one person buying out all the cheap ones. There's a lot of people with ridiculous amounts of gil. Like needing alts because they have max gil kind of ridiculous. Any server where things are cheaper will just have everything bought out, and the price will increase with that pretend demand.

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That's another fear I have is that people with too much money will try to control the data center's supply of limited, but high demand items just so they can price gouge.

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Originally Posted by Tyla_Esmeraude

I'm also concerned about this. People can just purchase something in a destination world for cheaper, move back to their own, and resell at a higher price. Also, what about RMT?

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It will probably cause the RMT to bottom-out because now they don't need to have RMT bots on every server, they can just take over the lowest-populated server and flood it with so much stuff that no real craftig player will want to stay. Then they have smuggler bots that cause massive amounts of gil to be transferred to other servers.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Wonder if the infusion prices are going to tank even harder now that the bot farmers have to worry about cross-server competition.

It could actually result in an awful situation where people are forced to adopt unreasonably low prices if their server happens to be one of the odd few that doesn't have a MB dominated by bots.

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There is no cross-server competition, the bots are run by the same scammers. They're more likely to either:

a) tank the price of all items that can be gathered

b) buy up all high-value items and either keep them off the market or maximize the price.

At any rate the easiest fix is to only allow items to be bought, not sold via the world visiting system. eg you can goto X, and buy up all of Y item, but when you come back to your server, you can't sell Y item.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

At any rate the easiest fix is to only allow items to be bought, not sold via the world visiting system. eg you can goto X, and buy up all of Y item, but when you come back to your server, you can't sell Y item.

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Very good idea being unable to sell the item you bought from a different server. At least if sellable make it have a huge tax like a tariff.

On one point it hurts a worlds economy but on the other it helps people buy hard to get items due to low server populations. Dammit, I hate being able to see both sides of an argument. ><

Prices are going to be hyperinflated for a very long time.

They will not drop to the lowest prices of the cluster, they will rise to the highest.

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Originally Posted by Tyla_Esmeraude

I'm also concerned about this. People can just purchase something in a destination world for cheaper, move back to their own, and resell at a higher price.

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That would only work if the buyer doesn't know they can visit another server, doesn't know they can use another server's mb, or is feeling lazy and cba to go to another server. Personally if I find something is too expensive I'll do what most people do irl and that's compare prices from other places.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

That would only work if the buyer doesn't know they can visit another server, doesn't know they can use another server's mb, or is feeling lazy and cba to go to another server. Personally if I find something is too expensive I'll do what most people do irl and that's compare prices from other places.

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Selling NPC shop item on the MB was pretty popular before they add the price tag on them and it still work pretty well so yeah many many people won't bother jumping world to world for an item they can just buy now, they don't even bother looking for the NPC in their world.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

Selling NPC shop item on the MB was pretty popular before they add the price tag on them and it still work pretty well so yeah many many people won't bother jumping world to world for an item they can just buy now, they don't even bother looking for the NPC in their world.

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Yeah I know the laziness of people will do that, but I'm more worried about the Rich guy who will jump around and start hording something to make it where you can only buy it from them.

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Originally Posted by Vaati_Kigu

Yeah I know the laziness of people will do that, but I'm more worried about the Rich guy who will jump around and start hording something to make it where you can only buy it from them.

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Monopoly is sure a pain in the butt, serveur monoply-free won't be anymore.

Balmung sellers would be wise to jack their prices up immediately before the patch drop as it is going to get zerged by the other servers.

As a crafter, I see two sides to this. Yes, people will buy things off other servers that are cheaper and as much as I could drive the price of an item up on one server I would find it hard to do on all of them. You buy out an item an hour or two there will be several for some expensive prices, within 12 hours most items are flooded out again. So there may be attempted abuse by players or mule money. On the other hand, I feel like it would open up the market to buy items that are hard to get on my server. I have checked other servers and sometimes they have rare items that no one uses and I can't find any for weeks up to months on my server. People I need to craft its what I do let me get my resources. FYI crafters don't always make a profit. Try making a sword that cost 2 million and people undercut and no one buys till it sells under a million. It happens more than you would like to think.

Yes, please come to Gilgamesh and give me all your gil! I am waiting with baited breath!

As a crafter/gatherer, I find the idea of having to visit other worlds to compare markets to be a burden if anything. May as well just make the entire datacentre share a market and be done with it. Though if profit margins shrink enough, I'll just stop crafting for gil and sell mats instead. I'm curious how many other folk would too.

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Originally Posted by Sarevok_Thordin

Balmung sellers would be wise to jack their prices up immediately before the patch drop as it is going to get zerged by the other servers.

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I'm sure they mentioned that you cannot visit worlds listed as "Congested" and even populated worlds if they hit a certain number of online at once etc, though you will be able to go back to your world even if its "full".

My concern with this is that the lower populated servers will struggle to sell anything without severely undercutting, because the prices on those servers are high due to the low population. People will just visit other servers to buy things, so those lower pop servers will struggle to sell anything, and thus struggle to make any money at all to buy anything period. And since you can only sell on your own server, well...

I can only say that I'm concerned for the economic chaos that will occur for all servers at this point.

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Originally Posted by Aggomarr

My concern with this is that the lower populated servers will struggle to sell anything without severely undercutting, because the prices on those servers are high due to the low population. People will just visit other servers to buy things, so those lower pop servers will struggle to sell anything, and thus struggle to make any money at all to buy anything period. And since you can only sell on your own server, well...

I can only say that I'm concerned for the economic chaos that will occur for all servers at this point.

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You can view MB prices across all servers online. It would only take one person per item to view the prices and adjust their selling price. Other sellers on the server will follow suit if they wish to sell items in a timely fashion. Larger servers will have the advantage of being the first place uninformed players go, but smaller servers won't have issues with congestion.

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Originally Posted by Aggomarr

My concern with this is that the lower populated servers will struggle to sell anything without severely undercutting, because the prices on those servers are high due to the low population. People will just visit other servers to buy things, so those lower pop servers will struggle to sell anything, and thus struggle to make any money at all to buy anything period. And since you can only sell on your own server, well...

I can only say that I'm concerned for the economic chaos that will occur for all servers at this point.

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Why do you think lower population worlds will suffer when they will soon have hundreds and thousands of new visitors to buy their wares.
They will only suffer if they want to try extort huge profits like they currently are.

Why would hundreds of people go to the lower populated and more expensive worlds to buy things?

Even if they couldn't go the most populated and cheaper ones, they can still go to the ones a step below. And it's not just those lower pop worlds I'm concerned for. I'm concerned for the entire economy as a whole. Higher pop worlds will have their cheaper items bought up, which will inflate prices, and lower pop worlds will have no one buying their stuff causing deflation. The hope is, of course, that it all balances out. Until then, lower pop worlds will have to adjust to not making as much, and higher pop worlds will have to adjust to spending more.

If it means new glamour items have a faster price drop I'm okay with it. People buying all of one item to resell it seems a bit redundant though, and the profit can only be had from that IF the item in question can actually sell.

I just wonder how long before Balmung is struck off the visit list because either people who transferred going to see friends, players going to see what all the fuss is about and the RMT bit invasion it's going to be insane.

The only issue with that is that the things you'd sell to get the money to buy said glams will also drop in price. So they're not actually going to be much cheaper, if it all unless you're already rich prior to the change.