Request: Make Pagos NM Items Obtainable

Hello there, before I start this thread, I want to note that this is not a Pagos Hate Thread. I generally enjoy Pagos! This thread is about one aspect of it though that I hope the developers will change.

That aspect is the current obtainability of the items from various NMs in Pagos. Specifically the Speed Belt, Cassie's Earrings, and the Optical Hat. Right now these items are simply far too hard to obtain.

I have been in Pagos for more than 30 days, 12 hours a day, targeting just the items, and have made almost no progress to getting them.

To give people an idea of how hard to obtain these items are, here’s my personal experience with each one:

Speed Belt

This is the easiest of the 3 items to obtain. It drops from a FATE that is popped relatively frequently for Pagos, however from my experience it appears to have a drop rate close to 1%.

In the last 30 days I’ve managed to average about 3 crab pops a day. But even with all that, still haven't managed to get a Speed Belt.

Of the three items this one at least exists on the Auction House and can be bought, although right now in limited quantities.

Cassie's Earrings

Cassie is such a rare occurrence in Pagos that many consider her to be a complete Myth.

Of course she isn't a myth, however she does get popped significantly less often than other NMs.

In the last 30 days I believe I've seen Cassie around 14 times, but she appears to have the same drop rate as the Speed Belt (~1%), meaning that actually obtaining this item may as well be a pipe dream.

This item is so rare you can't even buy it on my server. Only one has ever been sold since Pagos release -_-.

Optical Hat

This one is deceptive because it feels like it should be the easiest to obtain. Simply do enough bunny fates to get the eyes, craft the cluster, and you get a guaranteed drop right?

The problem is that people just don’t do the Bunny FATES anymore, most days they go unfinished.

The main reason for this is that there’s little incentive to do them due to the rarity of rewards you get from it. I have had 5 hour long bunny fate parties come out with basically nothing.

The drop rates for golden chests on these are absurdly low. My own experience has been somewhere in the range of ~4% for a Gold Chest. Which on top of being Rare you have to hope aren't duplicates of something you already have.

Theoretically this one is possible to Buy your way through, except the rarity of people doing the fates means that you likely can’t actually buy the eyes on your server.

Conclusion

I hope with this I've expressed just how frustratingly unobtainable these items feel, especially as Pagos has winded down and less players are playing than were during the initial launch.

My request is that the Developers add some sort of pathway of obtaining these items. I'm not asking for a handout or whatever, but just some way to obtain these items by working towards them

From what I've heard, the Pagos items are guaranteed to drop, but only to one person who participates and gets a Gold in the FATE (so imagine 144 players being level 35 clearing the Cassie FATE. Only one will get the earring. It's dumb, yes).

Regarding the Optical Hat, I've heard it's not a guaranteed drop even if you have the Hakutaku eyes (though I think it still follows the same rules as the other items. So if you're the only one with Gold, then it's guaranteed, but if multiple people have the eyes, then it becomes a luck of the draw).

I agree that the items should be easier to get. Heck, Pagos overall needs to be made 'easier' if SE want people to enter Pyros.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

From what I've heard, the Pagos items are guaranteed to drop, but only to one person who participates and gets a Gold in the FATE (so imagine 144 players being level 35 clearing the Cassie FATE. Only one will get the earring. It's dumb, yes).

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This is a Pagos Myth. There are no guaranteed drops, you can get more than 1 drop per FATE. People just think this because of the absurdly low drop rate. But I assure you I have seen more than one Speed Belt drop from Artho, and I have seen 0 earrings drop from Cassie (in a group of 16 people, we checked).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Regarding the Optical Hat, I've heard it's not a guaranteed drop even if you have the Hakutaku eyes (though I think it still follows the same rules as the other items. So if you're the only one with Gold, then it's guaranteed, but if multiple people have the eyes, then it becomes a luck of the draw).

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I haven't heard this one before so no Idea if this is true, but at least the people who have the Optical Hat think its guaranteed.

I see. I'm only level 27 (and haven't entered Pagos since), so I could only go by hearsay.

I was hoping that they would have nerfed Pagos significantly to allow people to progress but that does not appear to be happening. With that said, I do not expect the items to be made easier to obtain, which is unfortunate but I guess they wanted them to be super rare.

Significant nerfs won't happen until the next segment is actually released, possibly even later. Pretty much how it's always been with segmented content involving the relic weapons.

Good thing pagos doesn't offer a mount or I be forced to do it.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Significant nerfs won't happen until the next segment is actually released, possibly even later. Pretty much how it's always been with segmented content involving the relic weapons.

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I feel SE would have to give Pagos a super nerf of sorts if they want people to enter Pyros.

People will enter Pyros; I see plenty of level 35s out there. The longevity though will definitely be shortened if nothing changes with Pagos.

Either way, bottom line is that nothing significant will happen to Pagos until Pagos is no longer "current". That's just always how it's been in this game.

I hate events that require a large group that isn't part of DF and lock nice vanity items behind it. Reminds me of diadem as I can't do it solo and really want the pegasus mount. Once Eureka is outdated and no one does it then people that miss it will have it rough unless they make it soloable.

I wanted my dyeable DRK armor so I went in to Anemos to get it. I had most of the +2 stuff. I went in twice for about 2 hours each and managed to get the scorpion harness, strider boots, Faf minion at least once. The Devs have drug their feet long enuf to do something about Pagos. This garbage content is so bad that I just turn off the game and do something else. Thanks SE for giving us EXACTLY what begged y’all not too.

I don't suppose we could extend this Request to the emote as well? I've been farming the cold lockboxes for days, and only have seen materia.
Please, please, raise the rate of the /shiver drop, or maybe even add it to the NM regular lockboxes at a low rate?
It's so frustrating trying to farm something locked behind three layers of RNG. (Mutation / Maybe you will get a lockbox / tiny chance of getting the emote)

honestly they just need to make the fates spawn and drop rates like anemos
weather and night related fates pop really fast etc etc
that plus a triple the Pagos crystals from fates would be a reasonable nerf to the place when pyros is out

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

People will enter Pyros; I see plenty of level 35s out there. The longevity though will definitely be shortened if nothing changes with Pagos.

Either way, bottom line is that nothing significant will happen to Pagos until Pagos is no longer "current". That's just always how it's been in this game.

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I feel Pyros will have less people entering it compared to Pagos, though. Since Anemos was easy to reach level cap and isn't a terrible map like Pagos is.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I feel Pyros will have less people entering it compared to Pagos, though. Since Anemos was easy to reach level cap and isn't a terrible map like Pagos is.

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It'd be one thing if Pagos was meant to truly be challenging. All it ended up being though was a means to slow people down as much as humanly possible. They didn't even try to mask that.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I feel Pyros will have less people entering it compared to Pagos, though. Since Anemos was easy to reach level cap and isn't a terrible map like Pagos is.

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I have to agree with this. Simply because of the players that never bothered to start or finish Pagos—much like the ones who never bothered to finish Anemos. Pyros will see traffic, but I think it will be less than Eureka’s first two areas.

Myself, I currently have no plans to finish Pagos and enter Pyros. I don’t have issues with grinds when I have something to show for it—something that isn’t a complete waste of my time; I do have issues with grinds where I feel like I get nothing to show for it—or where I feel like I have wasted my time, or where my reward wasn’t worth the time spent on it.

Lol, all these threads keep coming.


I'm glad I never even finished the quest of Diadem 3.0.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

Once the final form is out there and all zones get nerfed to the ground people will finish it.

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Which will be in 5.0. 5.0 is when all the Eureka zones will be nerfed per previous relics’ example. I wouldn’t really call that a successful relic if people wait an entire expansion to actually do and complete the content.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I don't know, they said Pyros (anyone only wanting to just follow a fate train better wait one week or so before going in) will be like Anemos and once they nerfed Pagos to the ground as they did with Anemos people will finish it before 5.0 if they like the final form.

As a personal opinion, I won't call any of the relics a success outside the first step for ARR relic.

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I think you’ve probably misunderstood me. I’m not saying people won’t do the content once it’s nerfed. I’m sure there are those who will. But, even still, there will be some who will just choose not to participate in it at all.

I’m currently in the latter camp, because I’m just simply not interested in the relic this expansion—Pagos killed it for me (I actually enjoyed Anemos enough to do all 15 weapons and get halfway through completing all 15 gearsets). I feel like the ball was dropped on it pretty hard with Pagos, so I’m just opting not to do it. Who knows if my feelings will change, but they’re pretty solid right now in the “I’m not interested” camp. Which sucks, because if Pyros is good, well then: oh well. I don’t want to go through Pagos.

Personally, I think HW’s relic was relatively successful. The unidentifiable step was brutal, but the steps afterwards were all fairly easy to do, and I don’t remember many complaints about them (only the unidentifiable step).

I don't really see how Anemos was nerfed into the ground at all. There's an EXP boost but as far as I can tell it only applies to regular enemies and not the NMs (that or it's such an insignificant boost I don't really see it), and nobody really did those to level anyway. The grinds for the actual gear are still the same as ever, the same amount of stuff drops per NM and the gear all costs the same amount of stuff. The only real difference is that now you can skip Pazuzu, but nobody ever skips Pazuzu anyway; every instance I join people are still itching to go and kill him.

I've still never even seen the Cassie FATE, even on the map when I was too low level to get up there easily. I've also never done the Angra Mainyu FATE, though I used to see it pop on the map, I guess people have stopped popping it because it's the hardest one to get to.

I'd like to see them adjust Cassie's spawn rate, and also adjust drop rates for FATEs/bunnies/cold warped boxes. Or just add all that loot to regular pagos boxes and then remove materia from cold warped and bunny chests.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I don't really see how Anemos was nerfed into the ground at all. There's an EXP boost but as far as I can tell it only applies to regular enemies and not the NMs (that or it's such an insignificant boost I don't really see it), and nobody really did those to level anyway. The grinds for the actual gear are still the same as ever, the same amount of stuff drops per NM and the gear all costs the same amount of stuff. The only real difference is that now you can skip Pazuzu, but nobody ever skips Pazuzu anyway; every instance I join people are still itching to go and kill him.

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Anemos really does not need to be nerfed as the train makes it so that a player only needs to spend a few days there to complete with nearly everything. Pagos is the one that needs to be nerfed to the other side of the moon in order to get to the same playability as Anemos.

I never said it needed to be nerfed; someone else (#20) implied that Anemos was "nerfed into the ground" and I was just pointing out they didn't really do anything to it. The gear grind is virtually untouched.

If anything, it's harder now because Anemos is often filled with people who are just on their own killing stuff for their challenge log (almost entirely level 20+ people, presumably because leveling in Pagos sucks) and not contributing to the NM train, but their presence in the instance still gives the NMs more HP and makes them take longer to kill than before.

Anemos just needs a way to trade pazuzu feathers for the big Anemos crystals
1 feather = 20 crystals
same with loui ice

I hope when they add Pyros they also adjust the droprates in Pagos.

I'd pretty much given up on Pagos but a friend insisted it's not so bad & offered to taxi me about over the weekend.

I can agree that it's not so terrible once you get to level 32, but until you can use both aetherytes it's brutal. Missing FATE after FATE because the train can TP right to them while you have to walk end to end each time gets real old real fast.

Change the TP requirements to 23/25 or maybe even lower, reduce the amount of FATE crystals required a tad, let the light farm start straight away. Do all that and it might even become genuinely enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Change the TP requirements to 23/25 or maybe even lower, reduce the amount of FATE crystals required a tad, let the light farm start straight away. Do all that and it might even become genuinely enjoyable.

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Yeah, making the teleporters available right from the start is an easy fix wich will have a huge impact on the accessibility of Pagos and - Pyros.

There is absolutely no good reason to keep the teleporters locked, but there are reasons to unlock them.

Mainly because it is nearly impossible to find a leveling party to chain monsters. Most people are already 35 and because of the exp penalty you need people on your own level. Plus after they patched the NM exp and light gain people are only interested in the train. Good luck with finding 7 other people on your own level to chain monsters...

The design of Eureka as a whole is a failure. And SE kind of admitted it after they fixed Pagos (to some degree) to bring the train back, wich is the only option where people can actually play cooperative together. They just have to finish the job by removing the needless restriction wich prevents people from catching up by unlocking the teleporters.

I mean, in the rest of the game SE is paying attention that casual players, new players and people who were taking breaks can catch up easily and are not locked out of content. But with Pagos they have failed in that regard. And arguably in Eureka as a whole, since the train was unintended. The real design wich SE intended for Eureka simply has no catch up mechanic and when you missed out the first rush, good luck!

But even when they make the train viable for low levels, there is still the problem that Eureka is not solo friendly and when people move on and Eureka dies out, you pretty much can't play this content anymore.

I agree with making the items obtainable in the future. Perhaps we'll see things like the shiver emote in whatever the next iteration of POTD is. Or the next version of Uznair Canals.

Some of the things only work in Pagos though, right? Like the cassie earrings and speed belt? Or is the cassie earring just for glamour? (I've done Pagos but never got either one)

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

Some of the things only work in Pagos though, right? Like the cassie earrings and speed belt? Or is the cassie earring just for glamour? (I've done Pagos but never got either one)

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Cassie Earrings can be used outside of Eureka for glamour, but have actual use within Eureka only.

Never been so frustrated in obtaining those 3 items in pagos. No idea what the dev team was thinking of the drop rate knowing that ppl eventually going to move on to the nxt area. That ppl are going to spawn it is going to decrease overtime. I so wanted to glamour them :(.

Don't forget the Triple Triad cards...

I've been doing Pagos since it launched on a regular basis and I've yet to see either of the ones available from FATE's drop.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Don't forget the Triple Triad cards...

I've been doing Pagos since it launched on a regular basis and I've yet to see either of the ones available from FATE's drop.

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The SE Genie grants your wish. The Louhi card now drops from the NPC Botan in Kugane (7.8, 14.7). I got two while working on the Pazuzu card yesterday. That's within about 40 wins.