Level sync really needs to be a thing for S rank hunts in the future.

I really do enjoy hunting these, but as time goes on and players get stronger and stronger, they're going to die faster and faster.

They've already reached the point where ARR and HW S ranks are basically tomestone/seal pinatas because of how trivial most of them are to even a four player party, and it's not unheard of for ARR S ranks to get picked off by solo players who stumble across them.

The thing is, as long as they drop the currencies they do they'll always be considered "relevant" content going into the future, and so I feel like it's fair that they get some changes to breathe some new life into them, as they were somewhat challenging fights back when they were first released and overall a fun activity for a server's community to take part in.

Having level sync on them and converting them into hidden FATEs like Odin/Coeurlregina would ensure they're able to live for a decent enough amount of time to actually perform some of their mechanics and allow more time for interested players to show up and contribute.

They could even add some new rewards to them like minions or mounts to encourage more people to get involved with spawning them.

Agreed.

I think it'll actually be a necessity going into the next expansion. Currently an ARR S rank can easily die in 4-5 seconds at peak time. Once we progress into the next expansion I'd imagine they'll die in 1-2 seconds which barely gives you time to react.

Agreed. I'd definitely like to see this on the S ranks and I feel the A ranks could benefit from similar treatment.
People complain that the open world is dead, the Hunt is one reason to get out and explore it. In high level areas it's a fun and social experience, in ARR more of a gamble if you will arrive before the mob is dead. It's frustrating if you arrive late and often leads to arguments.
I'd like to see S ranks requiring a group no matter where they are.

they fine as they are tbh

you want it? spawn it yourself, stop complaints tbh :)

If you don't find them hard enough, go do savage and leave the hunts be.

I agree they can be a little stronger to make the fight interesting but there's absolutely plenty of time to get more than 2 hit in if you get to them in time. I consider myself a full time hunter and I see no issues with them because I'm out there trying to spawn them. This is always a complain I hear from people who are always "late" because they have a terrible LS that doesn't link the calls on time or they think they're entitled to every S hunts out there. When I spawn, I always wait around 3 to 4 minutes before I ask if anyone is OTW and if I don't get a reply in 30 seconds, then I pull.

Reminder that you're always guarantee a kill if you spawn them yourself. Adamantoise has a very small spawning scene so it's crazy how no one bothers to do that except for a small group of people. Stuff like Bonnacon and Croque doesn't take more than a minute to try if you really want to try. Yes there are assholes out there that early pull but that's not an issue with the hunt itself. The other day I saw someone complain that we early pulled Bone Crawler of all things and that takes a while to kill.

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Originally Posted by Mirch

they fine as they are tbh

you want it? spawn it yourself, stop complaints tbh :)

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Some servers, such as Gilgamesh, there are groups working together in different zones at the same time to spawn multiple S ranks. So what do you tell these people that are working to spawn a S rank and a different S rank gets spawned and sniped by someone not working with the larger group? S ranks dying to fast is a problem.

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Originally Posted by Besame

If you don't find them hard enough, go do savage and leave the hunts be.

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SE puts achievements and gear upgrades behind hunts. Gotta do hunts if you want either.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

Some servers, such as Gilgamesh, there are groups working together in different zones at the same time to spawn multiple S ranks. So what do you tell these people that are working to spawn a S rank and a different S rank gets spawned and sniped by someone not working with the larger group? S ranks dying to fast is a problem.



SE puts achievements and gear upgrades behind hunts. Gotta do hunts if you want either.

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Nobody is entitled to get someone else's work.
If you make it to one of three S ranks that spawned at the same time, sounds like a group of others also only got one of three. I don't see an issue here. You can't get to them all.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Nobody is entitled to get someone else's work.
If you make it to one of three S ranks that spawned at the same time, sounds like a group of others also only got one of three. I don't see an issue here. You can't get to them all.

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Right, no one else is entitled to someone else's work. So someone not part of the groups actively working to spawn S ranks who just happened to come by the S ranks with hunters waiting for their fellow hunters to show up shouldn't be sniping the S rank.
The other groups in other zones spawning other S Ranks that I am talking about are part of the same overall group working together to spawn multiple zones.

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Originally Posted by Mirch

they fine as they are tbh

you want it? spawn it yourself, stop complaints tbh :)

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Lets see...

The devs can stubbornly adhere to this concept despite it going against how the community as a whole approaches hunts, thereby killing off an activity for a lot of players because a handful of others are inpatient knobs. Bear in mind, it's often not the person who spawns S ranks who pulls but someone else coming along despite said spawner happily willing to wait for people. Or the devs can embrace a community created concept, thus allowing everyone to participate in essential "world bosses," you know, that concept everyone has been asking for that virtually every other MMO does?

Difficult choice, really.

Agreed. Hate not the players, hate the game.
Hunts are easily one of the biggest sources of fighting and conflicts in the game, and blaming other players doesn't accomplish much of anything.

If enough people complain about the current state of hunts, SE may change the rules so hunts can be better for everyone.

I'd also strongly advocate for an in-game tracker for S ranks.
Nothing particularly fancy, just a feature that allows players to see if a S rank's minimum cooldown has been breached or not.

A bit late to the party but I now would like a levelsync cap on zones (ARR Lv50, HW Lv60, SB Lv70 and so on.

Most the time don't I even get hit in before its dead. They should make it respawn like b rank and those that killed it before get put on a cool down. when the cool down is no they only get exp. from them till cool down ends and get also no achievement credit when there still on it.

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Most the time don't I even get hit in before its dead. They should make it respawn like b rank and those that killed it before get put on a cool down. when the cool down is no they only get exp. from them till cool down ends and get also no achievement credit when there still on it.

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There are no experience points earned from killing an elite hunt mark of any rank. There's no point in killing them with anything other than your highest level job (unless you're trying to learn a BLU mage spell).

They're not going to make Rank A and Rank S spawn like Rank B. They're intended to be rare.

They're also intended to be hunted by players who plan to kill them on sight, not for players to wait several minutes for others in the community to show up. The organization of hunt communities is a player construct, not game design. SE actually does not like the way players have organized hunts.

If you want to make certain you can get your hit in, use a skill that is instant cast instead of something that has a cast timer (or lead-in steps like Technical Finish). Better yet, be one of the those who are doing the hunting and spawning so you are already present.

I'm not even sure if it'll be possible for certain A Realm Reborn hunt monsters to be killed equally by a bunch of people if one player eventually is able to practically one-hit them; this is going to become an even bigger problem with every new expansion release as well.

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I'm not even sure if it'll be possible for certain A Realm Reborn hunt monsters to be killed equally by a bunch of people if one player eventually is able to practically one-hit them; this is going to become an even bigger problem with every new expansion release as well.

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Well they can just delay the death a few seconds if it dies too fast, to let everyone take a shot :D
Like how Ultima Weapon not die immediately when hp dropped to 0.

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Well they can just delay the death a few seconds if it dies too fast, to let everyone take a shot :D
Like how Ultima Weapon not die immediately when hp dropped to 0.

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I actually really like this idea: Give S ranks a brief period where the can't be hit with a killing blow for a short period of time after they initially spawn. Please consider this, Square Enix! Otherwise, you won't be able to share lower hunt marks after enough expansions.

I had a simpler idea on how they could fix the whole "hunts dying too quickly" thing recently, which would be just give them a special buff that caps their damage taken per hit at a value that falls in line with the amount of damage a well-geared player of the hunt's level would be dealing.

Having a mob of level 80s attacking an ARR S ranks would thus be only marginally more effective then a mob of level 50s (Due to having more OGCDs, higher attack speed, etc), which means everyone would be able to contribute comparable amounts of damage regardless of whether they're still in ARR or at the endgame level-cap. You would still technically be able to solo something this way, too, it would just take a really, really long time, to such an extent that it would encourage forming large groups regardless of player/hunt level.

It wouldn't be a perfect solution, but it sounds a lot more realistically doable then a total revamp of the hunt system.

But why punish the people who don't wait for other people to do the work and send out a discord ping or whatever? Seems kind of backwards on the whole Hunt concept.

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But why punish the people who don't wait for other people to do the work and send out a discord ping or whatever? Seems kind of backwards on the whole Hunt concept.

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I mean...the people who are out there actively spawning hunts are generally the ones sending out linkshell/discord relays in the first place.

I am one of said people and on multiple occasions have lost out on getting full credit on difficult to locate hunts like Safat and Gandarewa because I popped them, but they were immediately relayed by a bot in the zone and offworlders showed up and swarmed the hunt before I could even find it. I should not have to cave and rely on the information being gathered by cheaters just to have a fair chance at getting credit for a hunt I spawned.

Said programs still existed back before crossworld was a thing but the amount of locals who'd show up was too low to really put the hunts at much risk of dying before I could get to them.

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Said programs still existed back before crossworld was a thing but the amount of locals who'd show up was too low to really put the hunts at much risk of dying before I could get to them.

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Not only that, but the level gap between max level players and the S ranks were less. It was a 20 level gap for ARR, 10 level gap for HW.

Now it's a 30 level gap for ARR and 20 for HW. The S ranks are melting much faster.

In Endwalker it will be a 40 level gap for ARR, 30 for HW and 20 for SB.

YoshiP has said they don't want to increase the HP because they want players of the intended level to be able to participate - then those players don't really get a chance to participate because a crowd of max level players will kill a ARR S rank in a few seconds before the curious at-level player in the zone can figure out what's going on and where to go.

I won't say I disagree with "Kill on Sight" as a general game play concept for hunts but there's a problem when max level players are effectively able to lock out players of the intended level because they're killing things much too fast.

I think there's a real problem that needs to be addressed when the level difference becomes so high that multiple players could be looking at a hunt mark at the same time and not everyone gets credit because not everyone lands an initial attack at the same exact starting time. Older hunt marks need to at least be guaranteed not to die faster than a certain period of time, even if that's just a few seconds or whatnot.

Current situation in EU Light is dreadful. There is always one or two toxic player (not even spawner), pulling Level 50/60 target on sight while people are waiting. The target dies in 3 seconds. It ruins most people's game experience.

The big problem here is that if a normal person doesn't join in with nasty players, they will miss out. The current system encourages players to be toxic.

If FFXIV doesn't want to go down the same path as WoW, SE should take this seriously and as early as possible.

Even with the stat crunch at 90 I doubt it'll improve the situation with S rank hunts where a player can practically solo an S rank in 3 hits. The hunt system is a mess and a lot of people seem more inclined to support the "I found it so I don't have to share it if I don't want to" attitude and parroting they're not breaking ToS - this is an MMO game, you wanna do stuff by yourself go and play a single player game and stop ruining it for everyone else.

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Even with the stat crunch at 90 I doubt it'll improve the situation with S rank hunts where a player can practically solo an S rank in 3 hits. The hunt system is a mess and a lot of people seem more inclined to support the "I found it so I don't have to share it if I don't want to" attitude and parroting they're not breaking ToS - this is an MMO game, you wanna do stuff by yourself go and play a single player game and stop ruining it for everyone else.

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You're exaggerating what happens. Solo kills of S ranks are extremely rare. No one can stop other players from participating.

If you want to be killing those hunt marks with them, then you should be out there doing the hunting instead of expecting others to serve you. That's become the real problem in the community - most are waiting for someone else to spend the time doing that actual hunting instead of doing it themselves then get mad when they miss out because they couldn't be bothered.

You'd be surprised at how often the easily spawned S ranks like Nandi and Safat get picked off by randoms without anyone even knowing.

ARR S ranks only have around two million HP which gets burned through very quickly by a level 80 DPS.

I feel like the amount of effort/time involved in killing them is really disproportionate for the current reward scheme and as previously mentioned several times, not very friendly towards players who are lower-leveled.

At the end of the day, though, the only thing about hunts that is actually enforced is people attempting to grief either by resetting the hunts or making them kill people with their AoEs. Everything else is strictly a cultural thing that mostly caught on due to the fact that there's technically no limit to how many people can get full credit from a hunt due to it being enmity based.

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The devs can stubbornly adhere to this concept despite it going against how the community as a whole approaches hunts, thereby killing off an activity for a lot of players because a handful of others are inpatient knobs. Bear in mind, it's often not the person who spawns S ranks who pulls but someone else coming along despite said spawner happily willing to wait for people.

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As far as I understand the hunt concept, people have no ownership over certain enemies. There is no obligation other than what the community made up.

It's like bowing in Dark Souls pvp all over again. lol

seeing all the toxic solo hunters flood into these threads is yikes.

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seeing all the toxic solo hunters flood into these threads is yikes.

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What toxic solo hunters flooding the threads?

Few solo hunters are toxic (though I do know a couple). They're playing the Hunt the way SE designed it to be played - going out, finding the hunts then killing them. They don't harass others, unlike the entitled members of the community who feel that others should waste time waiting on their pleasure to arrive. They're marking the commonly used trackers so other hunters aren't wasting their time looking for something that can't spawn for another 40 hours.

How often have you gone out scouting for a train and conducting it? How often have you spent an hour or more trying to spawn a S rank? How often have you relayed available hunt marks? How often have you made sure the trackers are marked with the kill?

The toxic hunters are the ones who contribute nothing to the actual hunting but complain when they don't get what they want because they were too lazy to make it happen.