PS4 update time has become ridiculous

so, downloaded patch 4.1 in about a minute, it's not particularly huge.


Then it starts "copying..." .... slow as crap, 20 minutes and counting.


This new updating method is far, far slower than the old one.

PS4 likes to optimize game files when it updates a game probably what is going on.

I’m so scared to think about what might happen with a larger patch, or expansion launch.

Yea at this point when 5.0 drops, PS4 players will need to be able to start their download days prior.

PC Master race!! LOLZ!



Just kidding, that sucks. PS4 downloads have always been notoriously slow for any download for me. I hope it gets resolved!

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

Yea at this point when 5.0 drops, PS4 players will need to be able to start their download days prior.

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We have, both times. The expansion drops a day or two early while the servers stay in maintenance mode, no different to PC patches right now.

Also don't forget how PS4 users got 4.4 almost immediately after servers went down. Talk about scare mongering.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

We have, both times. The expansion drops a day or two early while the servers stay in maintenance mode, no different to PC patches right now.

Also don't forget how PS4 users got 4.4 almost immediately after servers went down. Talk about scare mongering.

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We got 4.4 in advance because we had to redownload the whole game when they switched to the PS4 patch system. I assume they will do the same with 4.5 and the next xpac.

But yes, the PS4 patcher is really bad at patching large games and this is what I feared what would happen. Tip: put your PS4 into rest mode and let it handle the patch there, don't try to play other games while patching.

Lol ps4 users will never get housing again.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

We have, both times. The expansion drops a day or two early while the servers stay in maintenance mode, no different to PC patches right now.

Also don't forget how PS4 users got 4.4 almost immediately after servers went down. Talk about scare mongering.

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You have missed the entire point....the new download process on PS4 is horrendous, with the new expansion it could take days. This is evident from the small patches taking almost an hour to download. now pack a whole expansion that could easily be 8hours of download time but then afterwards PS4 players will have to wait for the patch to copy itself and that takes almost quadruple the time of the original download...if you arnt going to offer productive comments just don't comment.....

This update method is far better then updating via the horrid outdated launcher/updater.
When i switched from PS3 to PS4 i managed fine but one of the updates .. long story short i had to re-install the game with all the patches and kept getting patch download errors and missed out on a month of sub time.
I have yet to have issues with the changes but i leave my PS4 on rest mode. It has never taken several hrs...
I can admit however that downloading on PS4 is slower then my laptop, the PS4 gets it's speed throttled down perhaps because of some of the hardware that was used, not sure

Yeah, download was done in less than a minute and then the 'copying files' started. I have no games running at all and it still looks like this is going to take 15 -20 mins to complete. I'm shocked at how long this is taking. Is this really 'working as intended?'

Like others, I cannot imagine how bad it's going to be with a major patch. If this really is as good as it gets, getting online the same day as a large patch is probably not going to happen for a lot of us.

I don't know about 20mins but mine only took around 5mins to compete the copying, so it's likely just isolated to a group of users rather than every single PS4 player. The 4.4 patch took longer but that was to be expected, but nothing in the range of having to complain about it (not saying you can't, just my experience has so far been ok).

The copying likely depends on what kind of HDD the PS4 has. I doubt anyone is that interested in forking out for new HDDs or pulling the PS4 apart over somethng that worked perfectly fine in the first place. Not to mention you're not doing anything in "rest mode" unless you are paying for Plus.


all the other small patches would take 1-2 mins to download and install, max. A big one would be more like 15. This tiny patch took 20 minutes copying - and that was after it downloaded. If you have poor download speed as well, good luck to you.


I'd prefer they let us choose the method of delivery.

They should just revert tbh. PS4 "copying" files stage of updates for any games have always been trash.

It should not take me 20-30 minutes of waiting after downloading a 1 min minor update to be able to play.

Under the old system I fully downloaded and was able to play major patches and expacs quicker than im able to play minor patches since the changes.

TLDR: Revert to the old patch sytem on PS4 the new one is an absolute joke.

Pretty sure that's standard for virtually every ps4 game. One reason why you need 2x as much hard drive space for updates (which is IMO the more annoying issue) because it copies the game data or some nonsense.

If 15 minutes of downtime is really ruining your day then there's no positive advice anyone can give. I always do major updates in the morning before I go to work so it's ready to go when I get back home. /shrug

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

We have, both times. The expansion drops a day or two early while the servers stay in maintenance mode, no different to PC patches right now.

Also don't forget how PS4 users got 4.4 almost immediately after servers went down. Talk about scare mongering.

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I dunno why people complain. I downloaded the 13 gig patch for 4.4 the other day in a little over 30 minutes. That's not particularly shabby at all. Dunno if it's a nationality thing I hear American internet sucks compared to British but how true that really is I couldn't say

I checked it out myself with my download it took me about 20 minutes give or take.

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Originally Posted by HiroKirito

They should just revert tbh. PS4 "copying" files stage of updates for any games have always been trash.

It should not take me 20-30 minutes of waiting after downloading a 1 min minor update to be able to play.

Under the old system I fully downloaded and was able to play major patches and expacs quicker than im able to play minor patches since the changes.

TLDR: Revert to the old patch sytem on PS4 the new one is an absolute joke.

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They changed it in order to prevent a bug that required the whole game to be redownloaded. So what's 20 extra mins over 5 or so hours?

Lol, I just got an error message that I can't even download the patch file: "Not enough space left."

I have 35,9 GB left of free space, btw, I am using a rather small SSD. The whole game is only 33,5 GB, this is indeed ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They changed it in order to prevent a bug that required the whole game to be redownloaded. So what's 20 extra mins over 5 or so hours?

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Because this is a minor patch udpate and it turns what was/is a 1 minute dowload and increases the entire patching proccess by 2000%.

When major patches or expacs drop it only gets worse. Im a day 1 raider, 4.4 took 2 hours total and was not ready in time for me to log at servers going up despite the actual download taking 15 mins tops.

I attributed this at the time to it being the first patch of its type, clearly it isnt.

Its not SEs fault that PS4s own patch/update system is trash but we had a different and arguably better system before.

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Originally Posted by HiroKirito

Because this is a minor patch udpate and it turns what was/is a 1 minute dowload and increases the entire patching proccess by 2000%.

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Don't forget about them reducing the size of the game itself by nearly half.

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With this streamlining of data regions, a reduction in required HDD storage space is expected for the current PS4® version of FFXIV. (What is 67.25 GB as of Aug. 2018 is expected to be reduced to about 34 GB.)

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As a side, had no problem getting on at 5am when servers went up. The patch was already downloaded and installed, all I had to do was log in and click play. Sounds like a "you" problem.

For the record, I have nothing against the old system. I didn't realize at first this was going to be a mandatory transition, it sounded like it would just be an option if people wanted it, so I had no intention of switching over. But since it all happened automatically, eh, I'll take the extra HDD space since you can seemingly never have enough anyways. Otherwise didn't seem to cause any issues for anyone else I know on PS4. (everybody else was ready to play at the same time I was, so? Sorry you should've just been more prepared.)

You might want to try this one:

https://www.psu.com/news/how-and-why...ase-regularly/

This also defragments the hard-drive, so the next update should have an easier time to find some space to install it.

Since my Internet speed caps at 0.3mb/s, with the average speed of around 0.14, patches taking hours is the norm for me T-T 20mins is fast in my books :P

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Originally Posted by HiroKirito

Because this is a minor patch udpate and it turns what was/is a 1 minute dowload and increases the entire patching proccess by 2000%.

When major patches or expacs drop it only gets worse. Im a day 1 raider, 4.4 took 2 hours total and was not ready in time for me to log at servers going up despite the actual download taking 15 mins tops.

I attributed this at the time to it being the first patch of its type, clearly it isnt.

Its not SEs fault that PS4s own patch/update system is trash but we had a different and arguably better system before.

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4.4 was available like 10 minutes after the servers went down for maintenance, which we were told would happen in the downtime announcement where it suggested downloading in rest mode or leaving your console on overnight or whatever. I had the game patched like 18 hours before the servers came up, you're either exaggerating or something. I've personally had 0 issues with the new system and think the minority is blowing it completely out of proportion, it's still in the teething stages for crying out loud.

The new update method, updating trough PSN itself is much better then trough the launcher. Via this way your PS4 can also update while it's in sleep mode.

I have found it to be pretty decent, not as fast as my desktop of course but still relatively fast (much faster then the old updater). I had some issues with a certain online game in the past an I changed some settings in my router some port forwarding s and also changing my PS4 from nat 2 to nat 1 and since then I've noticed a 'speed increase' in everything internet related (like browing the PSN store would go faster and such).
I should also add that I have a PS4 pro with an SSD so the copying files might be faster then on a regular PS4 or when using traditional HDD's.

while i love this new update method, the one thing that got me was this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...t_21.07.21.png

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

while i love this new update method, the one thing that got me was this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...t_21.07.21.png

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Yea that's what I was talking about, (the most annoying issue), but this is a problem with all PS4 games not just FFXIV.

Probably not correct but can't be too far off:

68 GB original install file
34 GB new install file
34 GB "copy" of new install file.

You wouldn't have enough space. Out of curiosity, how much space do you have now?

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Yea that's what I was talking about, (the most annoying issue), but this is a problem with all PS4 games not just FFXIV.

Probably not correct but can't be too far off:

68 GB original install file
34 GB new install file
34 GB "copy" of new install file.

You wouldn't have enough space. Out of curiosity, how much space do you have now?

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i got rid of ffXV for the moment that game was about 100 GB by itself due to all the DLC, it says i got about 200 GB free space left :/ its kinda dumb makes the 1TB HDD feel incredibly small, if i went for say RD2 i'd need over 200 GB to install that by the weird logic for a 100 gb game.

put it in rest mode

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

SNIP

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This is entirely based on if youre about when servers go down and leave your ps4 to patch in rest mode, I shouldnt have to start patching 17 1/2 hours than I used to be able to.

The old patch method I could wake up an hour before servers went live and even on major patches be done and ready for when servers go live in 10 to 15 minutes.

The "new" system takes significantly longer and requires you to make sure youre patching earlier to guarentee itl'l be done in time.

I say "new" because its not new, there is no teething stage. This is how all ps4 games patch and the whole backing up, preparing, copying stage has recieved many complaints over the PS4s lifespan.

It was nice that ffxiv didnt patch like this previously and if I had to last minute patch I could.

The fact is wether its work out for you or not, patching times have increased due to the way the PS4 itself handles updates/patches for all games.

After a quick search I found loads of people with the same issue and this article explaining why it happens PS4 copying update files - can you make it faster? Short answer to the question seems to be, 'No'. It's nothing to do with your internet speed just the way the PS4 downloads patches and applies them. Looks like a lot of extra hard disk space is going to be necessary too. Can't say I'm entirely happy with the changes.

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

Yea at this point when 5.0 drops, PS4 players will need to be able to start their download days prior.

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The pre patch for Stormblood was significantly earlier than the pre release date. By several days iirc. We might be ok

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

Yea at this point when 5.0 drops, PS4 players will need to be able to start their download days prior.

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though it is quite early to say this, but a comment from a GM or dev would be lovely on this, mostly during the fanfests as a little side-note

I prefer this update method by far, personally. Besides, larger patch installs are generally done way in advance.. Small patches like this.. No biggie, it took me around 10 minutes. As for expansions, those downloads aren't nearly as bad as you'd think since most assets will have already been added into the game through prior updates anyway.

What change occurred to PS4 download/copy file procedure? And does anyone know why? This would have been a done deal in 2 minutes tops the way things were running before, and as of now the time has well exceeded how long it took me to get up and running after 4.4 hit. Had I known it was going to be like this, I would have let things run before I went to work this morning.

I have to echo the others, should this still be in place when 4.5 comes, the process will take hours to complete at the minimum. An expansion? You can say goodbye to any playtime that day.

20 minutes? Sounds like you have slow internet. My PS4 updated this morning in 5 minutes.

It's go nothing to do with the download time, or how fast your internet is. it's the COPY-INSTALL time that takes 20 minutes.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

It's go nothing to do with the download time, or how fast your internet is. it's the COPY-INSTALL time that takes 20 minutes.

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Which really isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. So a small patch takes a bit longer than they used to, the convenience of having to do literally nothing other than having the console on to update is way more important to me personally. I no longer have to wake up early on major patch mornings to watch the forums/reddit like a hawk to see if the patch is up for download, or sit and refresh the laggy as hell launcher. I can get on with my life and sit in front of my PS4 5 minutes before maintenance ends knowing it's already updated and I'm ready to go.

Talk about first world problems. There are way more glaring issues with the game than the occasional 20 minute update.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

I no longer have to wake up early on major patch mornings to watch the forums/reddit like a hawk to see if the patch is up for download, or sit and refresh the laggy as hell launcher. I can get on with my life and sit in front of my PS4 5 minutes before maintenance ends knowing it's already updated and I'm ready to go.

Talk about first world problems. There are way more glaring issues with the game than the occasional 20 minute update.

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Yeah, if you are paying for Plus and can download in rest mode (and copy, too?) I can see this isn't a biggie. Not all of us pay for Plus (and please, anyone thinking of giving me a financial management lecture in response to that - just don't).

Unlike you, I had no problems with the old launcher, a small patch like this would have been done in less than a minute. This is not an improvement for me.
Looking at the PS4 forums, it seems to have been an issue since Sept 2017. Link to PS4 EU Forum Post on this issue Large games appear to be the worst affected. I couldn't find anything official on this from Sony, though.

With the new change, you can finally patch in sleep mode and you don't have to worry about logging in and leaving the launcher open. You can also play other games while it patches or watch Netflix/Hulu with no worries. The game size was also literally cut in half freeing up space for other apps.

At the cost of slightly slower installation speeds I say the positives massively outweigh the negatives.