So lets be real

I am gonna be extremely blunt in this post. And i hope the gm cm and devs see it too cause it is utter BS
I do not think it is fair or right for the gm support team to admit to the fact they are aware of a bug where housing timers are accelerated and that there is nothing they can do to pay back to those who lost their house due to a freaking bug on their end. There is something you SHOULD have done.
TURN THE FREAKING TIMERS OFF TILL YOU FIXED THE GD BUG that would have been the smart thing to do but no you didn't you just let it go and let people lose their hard work. In all my years of being a square enix (soft) fan of ff games and the like and a ff11 vet and ffxiv 1.0 player i have never been more repulsed at the company's dev team for ffxiv.
You had better fix that bug and if you have you better think of a recoup to us players you basically screwed with you bs. And a edit I know many who did camp at house etc and still lost it

Sincerely all the players whose house were lost due to your error and screw up.

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Originally Posted by Viersell

I am gonna be extremely blunt in this post. And i hope the gm cm and devs see it too cause it is utter BS
I do not think it is fair or right for the gm support team to admit to the fact they are aware of a bug where housing timers are accelerated and that there is nothing they can do to pay back to those who lost their house due to a freaking bug on their end. There is something you SHOULD have done.
TURN THE FREAKING TIMERS OFF TILL YOU FIXED THE GD BUG that would have been the smart thing to do but no you didn\\\\'t you just let it go and let people lose their hard work. In all my years of being a square enix (soft) fan of ff games and the like and a ff11 vet and ffxiv 1.0 player i have never been more repulsed at the company\\\\'s dev team for ffxiv.
You had better fix that bug and if you have you better think of a recoup to us players you basically screwed with you bs.

Sincerely all the players whose house were lost due to your error and screw up.

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It is my firm opinion that if you do not have the OCD capacity to visit your house at least every ten days, you don't deserve the house. So in a way, the bug is God's way of punishing the undisciplined players unlike me. I camp at my FC house every week. It's not going away anytime soon.

And i know many who did that and still lost their house

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And i know many who did that and still lost their house

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Whoah... Really?

Now I feel paranoid.

Hence my extreme annoyance and anger right now especially after finding a post made by gm support team saying they know about bug and nothing they can do

Tell those many people to actually file a bug report here on the forums, so they properly investigate the issue.

Til now all we keep getting is hearsay - the cat of the friend of a cousing of mine totally stepped into their house and they still lost it!

We had this whole thing a while ago on the forums and as far as I recall, they looked into it but couldnt find or confirm a bug, so unless people bring evidence that they actually did lose their house because of one (aka: filing the needed bug report) there is nothing to fix on their end. I dont remember seeing any GM admitting that there is indeed a problem with housing timers - quite the opposite: The last thing I heard was that they looked into it, but couldnt confirm any bug.

So please, if you have actual evidence to the contrary, if you know people who definitly losted their houses because they didnt step into them (INTO the house, you have to enter it through the door, stepping into the garden doesnt cut it) encourage them to file bug-reports here on the OF.
But dont start this panic out of hearsay again, please.

As much as the timer sucks: Its a necessary evil within this housing-system. But trying to get it turned off by spreading potential lies isnt going to help.

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Hence my extreme annoyance and anger right now especially after finding a post made by gm support team saying they know about bug and nothing they can do

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Can you link or quote this post, please?

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Originally Posted by Viersell

I am gonna be extremely blunt in this post. And i hope the gm cm and devs see it too cause it is utter BS
I do not think it is fair or right for the gm support team to admit to the fact they are aware of a bug where housing timers are accelerated and that there is nothing they can do to pay back to those who lost their house due to a freaking bug on their end. There is something you SHOULD have done.

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Where did they admit to that?

So its bugged again or is this a rant from some time ago that just came up now?

there is a rule. 45 days.
If the team around FFXIV (GM, devs, and all other) cant follow their own rules, it is their matters.
No way to discuss about "yes or no the destroy systeme is good thing" or "45 days are too much should lower to 10" We can speak about this, but... not the matter there.

Many people dont go forum, they just see on patch notes and other place "go inside your house at least once in 45 days or loose it" If anyone want to take benefit of it (like, not taking his subscription for one month or little more, for personnal reason, he can come back after 44 days, go in, save his house and play again)

If the rule you show is false. the result is simple. You have a customer, who losts his house, even if he did respect rules. And a "sorry" is short as answer... He loses the house (20% of money only, but he did probably want this spot speciffically, maybe even this house because a friend did get the one near, etc etc) the time spend to put all things in (it can be a lot of time). And this, even as being a good customers that obeys rules...


But, the devs are happy with it... The real matter is there isnt enough houses for everyone, so have to avoid empty. "oh sorry we have a bug" and a bigger turnover on this feature. Freezing the timer (disabling this systeme time to repair it) is the easy way to deal with.

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Greetings everyone,

Apologies for the delay in sharing a response regarding this matter.

From our investigations, we have not found cases where housing demolition warning emails were not sent to users who were approaching an estate demolition deadline. To ensure that important notifications such as these are received, we ask you to confirm that your email address is up to date in your Square Enix account settings.

However, if you feel there was an issue regarding your estate being demolished erroneously then it is imperative that you submit a detailed bug report (either via the official forum, (NA) Support Center/(EU) Support Centre, or an in-game GM call) so that the team can do a thorough investigation. We would need information from those affected directly to ensure we gather as much pertinent information as possible.

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This is from the last housing-panic-thread. Unless I've missed something, they looked into the matter, couldnt confirm a bug and are asking everyone to post their reports so they can investigate those case by case (Thats at least what they said in a follow up post in that thread).

So... unless there is any new information, I concluded that the whole "losing house because of a bug"-thing is a hoax, either designed to frighten people or because someone didnt understand that they had to walk into their house (and not only step into the garden) and is now trying to blame it on a bug.

Again: Timer is annoying, but necessary and working - both to free houses and correctly as in: not demoliting houses before the 45 day mark. Thats what I gathered - until someone brings me actual evidence that there is a bug.

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So... unless there is any new information, I concluded that the whole "losing house because of a bug"-thing is a hoax, either designed to frighten people or because someone didnt understand that they had to walk into their house (and not only step into the garden) and is now trying to blame it on a bug.

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Or possibly just didn’t have their email up to date, as the official reply mentions that as something to check. Not a bad suggestion in any case, of course.

I have yet to see anyone speak of this "bug" on Mateus, in novice network or elsewhere, other than in the context of the reddit post full of hearsay.

What I know from that thread is that of the "dozens of people who shouldn't have lost their houses" there were like 2 actual bug reports filed, maybe.

This is strictly people not understanding how the system works, and blaming a bug for them not entering their houses or checking the timers menu.

From discord when it was reported
https://pasteboard.co/HEluJkp.png

It was at the time of the rising event launch

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From discord when it was reported
https://pasteboard.co/HEluJkp.png

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Discord is not the forums, nor is there a screenshot of a GM post, or message or any evidence of this happening other than "someone who claims they were in their house 6 days ago"

My Cat Got His House Demolished In Error Part 2. This is gettin' old fast.

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From discord when it was reported
https://pasteboard.co/HEluJkp.png

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Yeah... no.
Sorry, thats someone saying that a GM confirmed that - not a GM confirming that.

If I post a message saying that the GMs investigated this stuff and couldnt find a bug in my FCs discord and then post a picture of it here, will you believe me that this isnt happening?
Or is it enough that a GM actually said that there is no bug, here on the forums? (See the post I quoted earlier)

Again: Encourage everyone you know off who had that happening to them to post a bug-report here so they can investigate the case.
But a random discord-message with someone claiming that a GM confirmed something to them isnt proof of anything.

All i know is plenty of people in siren lost their house and were extremely active and there wasn't any problem before rising event.

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All i know is plenty of people in siren lost their house and were extremely active and there wasn't any problem before rising event.

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Then tell those people to actually make a proper bug-report so their cases can be investigated. As it stands now, they did their investigation and found nothing - so why should they do anything?
Because someones saying they know someone who has been told from a friend that...? Really?

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All i know is plenty of people in siren lost their house and were extremely active and there wasn't any problem before rising event.

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Plenty of people? How many is "plenty"? Is this like 1 person, or 20, or 200?


Do we have screenshots, or bug reports? Is this people coming back from long hiatus' who came back to not having a house? Is this people who only went to gardens, or their plot itself, and never entered?

So let's be real.

Non-official channels for these things don't matter. If it was said in some place not here, it's likely rumor, hearsay, speculation, etc. SE support staff won't care if it happened over a skype call, discord chat log, or anything else. They cannot parse the data knowing it's 100% authentic.

If something legitimately happened, those affected should use the proper channels to get the issue resolved. If people were legitimately affected by a housing timer bug but would rather spend their time complaining about the system's unfairness, they should know that doesn't do a thing.

If something didn't actually happen and people are lying/stirring up drama, then posts like this don't help matters at all.

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From discord when it was reported
https://pasteboard.co/HEluJkp.png

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I've already debunked the person who claimed they were in their house and it suddenly had 6 days to be demolished. They just didn't understand how the system worked. Here's them admitting they made a mistake:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4749578

That discord post is full of misinformation and hearsay.

As a paying customer I think SE should stop all auto-demolition timers for the remaining period in the subscription and therefore the 45 days would only begin to tick after the player becomes "inactive"!...


This is an abuse from SE by changing the rules after the Producer said a long time ago there would be no timers in regards of housing, properties were ours permanently and now we are forced to enter the "house" periodically to keep it and on top of that there's now a bug that steals it without any hope of recovering it, I think that's too much against players!...

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As a paying customer I think SE should stop all auto-demolition timers for the remaining period in the subscription and therefore the 45 days would only begin to tick after the player becomes "inactive"!...

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I'd actually get behind that. If people are still subbed they should be able to keep their house and have that 45 day grace period after. So simple.

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As a paying customer I think SE should stop all auto-demolition timers for the remaining period in the subscription and therefore the 45 days would only begin to tick after the player becomes "inactive"!...


This is an abuse from SE by changing the rules after the Producer said a long time ago there would be no timers in regards of housing, properties were ours permanently and now we are forced to enter the "house" periodically to keep it and on top of that there's now a bug that steals it without any hope of recovering it, I think that's too much against players!...

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People need to stop holding on to things that have been said years ago. Circumstances change(d) and they had to make those adjustments. People still throwing that statment back at Yoshi-P is what led them to make fewer and more vague statments about the plans for the game.

Personally I always found it quite sad to see houses of neighbours being pretty much dead and knowing that the person/FC in question wouldnt return. Or seeing those houses dead for months, so at least assuming the person in question wouldnt return. I'd rather see someone getting their hands on that house, even if they werent a limited ressource, whos actually gonna do something with it.

The property was never yours. You're renting server-space from SE, you dont own a pixel.

And if this hasnt been made clear enough yet: They investigated to find said bug and they didnt. No one came forth and actually through with a report that could actually be traced back to a faulty system and not to someone not understanding how the system works.
That linked discord-post is from the 14.08. The dev-post I found was made a day or two later, confirming that no such bug exists.
So please stop spreading lies and causing a panic over nothing.

(...and please dont use a strong word like "abuse" in a context that it doesnt belong... this isnt "abuse", this is them having to change the rules to adjust to a new situation that they should have forseen, but sadly didnt. Auto-demolition should have always been a thing in a system like this one - not only to make sure that people actually p(l)aying have access to limited ressources, but also to make sure that the older housing-wards dont turn into half-dead ghosttowns because they have houses owned by people long gone.)

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As a paying customer I think SE should stop all auto-demolition timers for the remaining period in the subscription and therefore the 45 days would only begin to tick after the player becomes "inactive"!...

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As a paying customer, I think this is a horrible idea. The house of a person who logs in every day but doesn't bother to visit it for a year would sit just as empty and useless as the house of a player who unsubs and takes a year long break before coming back. SE could (though I highly doubt they actually would) make any number of requirements to force players to use their house to actually keep it. Instead, they went with a "softer touch" and just encourage players to use their house by making them visit it once every month and a half. That's a bare-minimum amount of effort on the players' part. They are leading us to water but leaving it up to us to drink, so to speak.

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on top of that there's now a bug that steals it without any hope of recovering it

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There is no bug. There is a vague, unsubstantiated rumor of a bug. Wild, unsupported claims like this (and the OP for that matter) only feed the panic, doing more harm than good.

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From discord when it was reported
https://pasteboard.co/HEluJkp.png

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Okay, I am being real. You don't know what the heck you are talking about and seem pretty gullible to defend something without any kind of actual proof. Good day sir.

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As a paying customer I think SE should stop all auto-demolition timers for the remaining period in the subscription and therefore the 45 days would only begin to tick after the player becomes "inactive"!...

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Just saying, I have a friend who hasn't ever stopped their subscription to FFXIV. They haven't played the game since Gordias Savage. They also had a house. They should just be able to keep their house because they set a fee for $15 as set-and-forget and makes enough money to never care about $15?

... Seems legit.

Active and actually going into your house are 2 different things. I nearly lost my medium house because I thought just teleporting to it was enough. It's not

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Originally Posted by Viersell

I am gonna be extremely blunt in this post. And i hope the gm cm and devs see it too cause it is utter BS.


TURN THE FREAKING TIMERS OFF TILL YOU FIXED THE GD BUG that would have been the smart thing to do but no you didn't you just let it go and let people lose their hard work. In all my years of being a square enix (soft) fan of ff games and the like and a ff11 vet and ffxiv 1.0 player i have never been more repulsed at the company's dev team for ffxiv.
You had better fix that bug and if you have you better think of a recoup to us players you basically screwed with you bs. And a edit I know many who did camp at house etc and still lost it

Sincerely all the players whose house were lost due to your error and screw up.

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THANK YOU. I couldn't have said this better myself.




Honestly, I wish they just get the f**k rid of houses in general if they aren't ever gonna make entire wards and houses to accommodate everyone.


Better idea: Make houses FREE COMPANY ONLY and use APARTMENTS for individual players. The housing in this game so is sh**y and should just be removed or use the idea I mentioned. The housing system is beyond flawed, only causes "housing wars" and forces players to cheat the system by making fake FCs and passing ownership over to someone and keep repeating til they buy EVERY HOUSE in the damn ward. Like seriously...wtf were you thinking SE?




Houses are nice, but the experience is so FINITE cause you can lose it if you even THINK of taking a break from the game. Lost your job and can't afford to pay for the game? Guess what? House LOST. Stayed up ALL night to buy a house only for some D-Bag to come and relocate on the house you spent 5 HOURS waiting to buy? House LOST. Time LOST.




As a FFXI Vet, I fully appreciated my Mog House and the many improvements SE's FFXI dev team put into the housing system over the years in the game. And you guys wanna know the REAL amazing thing about housing in FFXI that FFXIV FAILS in? Your Mog House was YOURS TO KEEP. Even if you've been off the game for 5 years and came back, your house is still there for you.


The only equivalent SE's XIV dev team did with Apartments in XIV is make them like Mog Houses (minus the moogle) in FFXI. Meaning, if you leave the game for a long time, your Apartment will STILL be there for you. So why the hell couldn't they do something similar for Houses in this game? Why did it take them 3 years (plus a extra 2 years with 1.0 in 2010-2012) to make apartments? Total Fail.



Shame that a old mmo like FFXI can do things better like housing and content than a more modern mmo like FFXIV, which is supposed to be the successor to XI, but it totally fails in that regard imho.



The housing system in this game needs to seriously git gud. SE has truly lost the plot (housing pun) with their meh attempts at housing in this game.






/2 cents

I go to my house quite often because I take great pride in decorating it how I want it to full of Moogle stuff and other things here and there (with an obligatory Kupo in the end sentence.)

I don't take things for granted when I earn them. I sure as Heaven and Hell don't squander opportunities when they are presented to me.

At the end of the day, housing is a privilege, not a right. I go and visit my house once in a while because I love to hang out in there sometimes and keep it too.

Got a house, my wife broke both her legs ffxiv was not inportant... lost the house...
More housing was added we earch got a house now...


Its a Game get over yourself.

There are many reason se could have taken the house non o them require them to explain. as nothing in ffxiv belongs to you.

Don't even see why they have a timer for housing. the last time I checked on my server saw over 70+ open plots and some of the wards was almost completely empty. seems like a waste to me to have it. I know never loose my house since in it every day. still think if ones loose there has they should get back 75% of price of the plot and cost of the building permit. just to be fair.

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Don't even see why they have a timer for housing. the last time I checked on my server saw over 70+ open plots and some of the wards was almost completely empty. seems like a waste to me to have it. I know never loose my house since in it every day. still think if ones loose there has they should get back 75% of price of the plot and cost of the building permit. just to be fair.

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To smaller servers like yours the timer doesn't hold much point, but to massive servers like Balmung/Gilgamesh where every ward is instantly bought out the hour they're added due to a massive demand for housing, The timer is important to prevent people from buying a house, quitting the game and then that property never being able to be used again by anyone and forever stand there abandoned when someone who's actively playing the game could be using it.

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Don't even see why they have a timer for housing. the last time I checked on my server saw over 70+ open plots and some of the wards was almost completely empty.

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If the demo timer didn't exist, even smaller servers would eventually run out of housing. People would buy a house and either never use it or quit the game entirely and those abandoned houses would continue to take up a plot. There would be many more players buying houses than those who would voluntarily unclaim them/server transfer and the wards would very quickly run out of open plots again.

As a side note, you do get 80% of the original plot price back after a home auto-demos. The problem is (and this is one of the biggest problems with housing, imo) that you have just 35 days to claim not only the refund, but all of your furniture too, before it goes *poof* into the ether.

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Don't even see why they have a timer for housing. the last time I checked on my server saw over 70+ open plots and some of the wards was almost completely empty. seems like a waste to me to have it. I know never loose my house since in it every day. still think if ones loose there has they should get back 75% of price of the plot and cost of the building permit. just to be fair.

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If auto demo is doing its job, plots should become available pretty regularly. Even more so on a low pop server. Though demand is less on low pop servers, not all of the available plots you see are there simply because no one is buying them.

Those who get their house demolished get back 80% of cost of the plot. Unfortunately, I don't believe the cost of the building permit is refunded. You also only have 35 days to claim your items from the resident caretaker after your house is demolished, or they are gone for good. This is something that drastically needs to be addressed and fixed.

Look, general housing issues aside, can we stop it with these awful fear-mongering threads? It's getting out of hand when it's three people removed from someone claiming they lost their house due to this.

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Look, general housing issues aside, can we stop it with these awful fear-mongering threads? It's getting out of hand when it's three people removed from someone claiming they lost their house due to this.

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And everyone who does say "it was me" or "my friend & I was with them" disappears as soon as they're asked to show screenshots or even tell us what the address was.

I actually am grateful to these panic threads. Around the time the last one came up, an estate I'm a tenant in was nearing its demo timer because while the guy did log in occasionally, visiting his house wasn't a priority. I'm not sure he even started getting the notification emails, not that he'd have minded much since rl was hectic for him at the time. With all the buzz, I kept checking the demo timers, saw his was almost up, let him know, and he saved his house. :D

Remember to periodically check your timers, kids!