So now contest prizes can be bought?

So I saw this news and I'm kind of cheesed that there's at least one item that was/is a contest prize that you can just buy with an insignificant amount of gil. Doesn't that kind of ruin the point of having it be a prize altogether?

Can't wait to get my Gaelicap next year.

I seem to remember folk justifying the 1.0 earrings no longer being exclusive. I don't see the problem with making event items freely available to everyone. Heck, take it further, every exclusive item should be made available.

I don't really consider playing 1.0 to be winning a contest. Meanwhile I put effort into the entries I submitted to multiple contests to win the Scarf of Wondrous Wit, and now any ol schmuck can buy it with no effort.

So when do they add the feature to spend 50 gil to finish a raid? And those hairstyles and emotes locked behind HoH? When can I buy those for next to nothing.

EDIT: Plus, 1.0 items are no longer obtainable at all, meanwhile contest items can still be won. There's a difference between being exclusive and unobtainable.

People put effort into getting their earrings. Come on, it was obvious that they'd do this with other "exclusive" items after the community approved so heavily of the earrings being made available.

If it's the scarf you're worried about, then I think you're a bit late. They've already put it for sale in the past. Pretty sure it's sitting in my Armoire somewhere.

EDIT: Guess I was wrong. Ah well, guess I'll get to pick it up and throw it in now!

I'll make the same argument I did about the earrings. Barely anyone used/showed them off anyway and you still have had exclusivity for a decent length of time. Get over it. I did the FF11 collab back in the day for my Shantotto minion, it then went onto Mogstation a few years later. Know how I felt? I didn't care. I didn't use the damn thing anyway and if some "schmuck" who joins late wants it and will get some enjoyment from it why should I care?

You did efforts to gain exclusivity over those items for a long while, just like how iphone users pay an obscene amount of money in order to obtain their newest shiny toy as soon as it's released, knowing that the prices will go down later.

It's been a few years. I believe that people who couldn't win every contest also deserve a chance at obtaining some of those items?

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Originally Posted by ThunderGodThor

People put effort into getting their earrings. Come on, it was obvious that they'd do this with other "exclusive" items after the community approved so heavily of the earrings being made available.

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You could no longer obtain the earrings through any means. The contest prizes can be won through occasional contests. It's not really the same case. But if gloating makes you feel better, go ahead.
Unless they make all contest prizes available and show new prizes items for next contests, this feels like an error they made. But still as someone who had won contests before, I honestly don't care as much. I don't think it's right but I won't throw a fit cause someone bought a fancy item for 50 gil that I've had for over a year. I had my thrill for winning, I had my fun by participating and I enjoyed and still enjoy the item I won.

“The Itinerant Moogles will return”, the link says.

I’m sure I’ve heard about them before and that they sold exclusive items that you couldn’t get anywhere else, so is it actually that in the meantime they’ve been using those items as “exclusive” contest prizes but now they’ve decided to bring back the original source?

It’s a bit unfair for those who won the items previously, but aren’t they like ‘bonus’ prizes anyway, while the main one is getting your design implemented in the game? (Or were they used for other types of contests too?)

Yeah, the Itinerant Moogles have shown up periodically, previously selling the Bomb, Slime, and Cactuar earrings. And I think maybe something else.

Greater point, tho, is nothing is guaranteed permanently exclusive. And, frankly, if you're putting such a huge amount of significance on having a game item that other people don't, maybe you're taking the game a little too seriously. Other people having items that you have does not have any impact on the game for you. Play the game. Enjoy the game. Quit worrying so much about what other players do or have.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

“The Itinerant Moogles will return”, the link says.

I’m sure I’ve heard about them before and that they sold exclusive items that you couldn’t get anywhere else, so is it actually that in the meantime they’ve been using those items as “exclusive” contest prizes but now they’ve decided to bring back the original source?

It’s a bit unfair for those who won the items previously, but aren’t they like ‘bonus’ prizes anyway, while the main one is getting your design implemented in the game? (Or were they used for other types of contests too?)

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They where given out for things like screenshot contests as well I believe.

They did show the new prizes. It's the anime style hairdos.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Yeah, the Itinerant Moogles have shown up periodically, previously selling the Bomb, Slime, and Cactuar earrings. And I think maybe something else.

Greater point, tho, is nothing is guaranteed permanently exclusive. And, frankly, if you're putting such a huge amount of significance on having a game item that other people don't, maybe you're taking the game a little too seriously. Other people having items that you have does not have any impact on the game for you. Play the game. Enjoy the game. Quit worrying so much about what other players do or have.

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I agree in principal - but...

An MMO needs incentive to play - to run challenging content, to differentiate yourself from the next 100 players. If you remove all incentives for character advancement (cosmetic or otherwise) you're just playing the Sims. Granted this is really only applicable to PVE content; completing the hardest content should give you enviable rewards.

What other people do in the game does demonstrably effect everyone else. If everyone has everything nothing is special. That said, the rewards for turning up and afking in a seasonal event aren't exactly 'earned' - they just show you were in the right place at the right time. So I don't really see an issue with sharing those.

But I think that's a root problem for this game - there is a competitive and rewarding MMO struggling to get out of a sea over saturated glamour and cosmetic nonsense. Yes, I know that makes a lot of people happy - and that's brilliant - but I think it dulls the actual game play of the game - which first and foremost should be an MMO with engaging content that rewards players for actually participating in it with some degree of skills vs reward. (imo)

All that being said - the people who played (and stuck it out) in 1.0 deserve their tatoos - that should never be altered. God knows they deserve them.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Greater point, tho, is nothing is guaranteed permanently exclusive. And, frankly, if you're putting such a huge amount of significance on having a game item that other people don't, maybe you're taking the game a little too seriously. Other people having items that you have does not have any impact on the game for you. Play the game. Enjoy the game. Quit worrying so much about what other players do or have.

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It's funny that you say "play the game, enjoy the game" when what's fun for me is having an item that I earned with a skill that I have outside of playing the game that shows that I was able to win something. It's not about them not having it, it's about it not having the same worth and having someone look at my character with it and go "oh wow they must've won a contest". Now it's just another item. Rarity and uniqueness has value.

The same would apply if my real life accomplishments were given to everyone as well. I was chosen to have one of my real life photos on a soda label recently, which only less than 1% of submissions ever get. Over a million photos have been submitted in the past, and mine was one of the ~1,000 or so ever chosen. That's a big deal to me because it means my entry must've been noteworthy, which is a reflection of my skill. If every entry was used it wouldn't be an accomplishment. The same applies to the prizes I win for screenshot (and creative writing) contests.

Taking prizes and making them purchasable by anyone defeats the purpose of entering at all, if you can just buy it in a few months or a year anyway.

Is this the birth of another 100 pages thread?

If I recall correctly, the moogles return every year, usually about this time. I know the cactuar and bomb earrings were unlocked through special events that had to be cleared during Tokyo Game Show (IE: someone had to clear it there and once unlocked, it unlocked them for the world.)

The scarf is a 1.0 item as well as later given out to winners for... I think it was the show us your Au Ra screenshot contest back when Heavensward was starting to be advertised.

They'd still need to add in the mandragora choker and bluebird earrings (also prizes from contests).

Adding Scarf of Wondrous Wit and Other Contest Prizes to a Vender Proves Yoshida Learned Nothing From The White Raven Earrings.

What a joke. What are they doing. Let me re roll my prize winning then.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

The same would apply if my real life accomplishments were given to everyone as well. I was chosen to have one of my real life photos on a soda label recently, which only 1% of submissions ever get. Over a million photos have been submitted in the past, and mine was one of the ~1,000 or so ever chosen. That's a big deal to me because it means my entry must've been noteworthy, which is a reflection of my skill. If every entry was used it wouldn't be an accomplishment. The same applies to the prizes I win for screenshot (and creative writing) contests.

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I think you’re conflating different elements of “the prize” here.

For your real life example, your photo got picked, and the prize - as you’ve described it - is knowing your photo considered noteworthy, and displayed as a winner (on the label).

If someone enters a screenshot contest and wins, they likewise know their screenshot was noteworthy, and displayed as a winner (in a “Winners of X Screenshot Contest” post). On top of that, they get a bonus prize item.

So while others can now get the bonus prize, it’s not quite the same thing as “everyone being given the contest winner’s reward”.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

All that being said - the people who played (and stuck it out) in 1.0 deserve their tatoos - that should never be altered. God knows they deserve them.

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I know it probably won't happen, but I don't really mind if they let other players obtain the tattoos. Only because I wish I could have the tattoo on my alts
Or at least let me transfer my tattoo to another character. Eh
Yeah yeah, I know it's like a symbol your character was created in 1.0 or something, don't really care. I just like the look of it.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I think you’re conflating different elements of “the prize” here.

For your real life example, your photo got picked, and the prize - as you’ve described it - is knowing your photo considered noteworthy, and displayed as a winner (on the label).

If someone enters a screenshot contest and wins, they likewise know their screenshot was noteworthy, and displayed as a winner (in a “Winners of X Screenshot Contest” post). On top of that, they get a bonus prize item.

So while others can now get the bonus prize, it’s not quite the same thing as “everyone being given the contest winner’s reward”.

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Yes, exactly. As with the white raven earrings- you don't need an exclusive item to show you won, surely the memories are enough right? :3

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I think you’re conflating different elements of “the prize” here.

For your real life example, your photo got picked, and the prize - as you’ve described it - is knowing your photo considered noteworthy, and displayed as a winner (on the label).

If someone enters a screenshot contest and wins, they likewise know their screenshot was noteworthy, and displayed as a winner (in a “Winners of X Screenshot Contest” post). On top of that, they get a bonus prize item.

So while others can now get the bonus prize, it’s not quite the same thing as “everyone being given the contest winner’s reward”.

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Except it's not about just winning and having the entry be noteworthy. Do you know which contests I won? I doubt it. And along with my real life example, I have one of the labels in my possession, which acts much like a prize or trophy. One that I can show people as proof. Anyone can say they won a contest or were chosen for something. Having the in-game item proves I won. Or at least, it did.

EDIT: The least they could do is rename the item while keeping the skin the same. 'Replica Scarf of Wondrous Wit' would be fine. And the same applies to any other possible rewards that become available to people who didn't win them.

Just release PVP items and be done with it Yoshi

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Originally Posted by Corue

Just release PVP items and be done with it Yoshi

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I m not a PvP'ler but I disagree to this. Like the white raven earrings, some items should not be obtainable for everyone.

For the contest prizes, I dont really care. I entered contests because of the fun, not the items.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

- Plans for the Future
Although some players were of the opinion that the reward was not an issue, many others voiced their disappointment. And the fact that these players came forth is evidence that we failed to give the matter due consideration.

Our legacy players have memories that are tied to that earlier time─I was reminded that the excitement and pride they experienced in acquiring the White Ravens is bound up in the item itself, regardless of its stats or appearance. I, myself, am the sort of person who separates the experience from the physical reward, but that doesn't excuse the failure to consider those who feel otherwise. I intend to learn from this lesson moving forward, and continue to develop FFXIV as a game that everyone can enjoy.


Once again, I offer our sincere apologies to those whom we've upset with our lack of foresight and consideration, especially in a time when we should be celebrating this anniversary together.

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I can accept that players and devs won't always see eye to eye, that's perfectly fine.

However, I legitimately cannot understand why Yoshida bothered with the quoted response just to follow up with this stunt weeks later. That's borderline insulting. The devs could've easily justified their decision and kept their stance... or they could've even said nothing (I would've personally been fine with either option). Instead, they apologized, made people feel heard... and backpedaled immediately after.

Well I guess the message by now is pretty clear. Looking forward to the next "sincere" apology!:rolleyes:

*yawn* here we go again...

I was going to say, "As a winner of contests, I don't mind this." but then I noticed none of the prizes I've won are actually available here. Still, I really don't think I'd care if things like the Bluebird Earring or Ahriman Choker were available. They're so minor and unremarkable that virtually no one will ever even realize you have them, unless you bring it up.

That said, I'd be a little pissed if I had won the Scarf of Wondrous Wit that I requested from the latest screenshot contest, only to find out I could have gotten it essentially for free a week later.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

That said, I'd be a little pissed if I had won the Scarf of Wondrous Wit that I requested from the latest screenshot contest, only to find out I could have gotten it essentially for free a week later.

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There's even a current contest going on where people can pick their prizes and the scarf is one of them.
https://fanfest2.finalfantasyxiv.com...ostume-contest

They can do whatever they want, but I'm still just wondering why they felt this was needed. If they're going this route, I'll be waiting for the old PVP rewards then.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

Having the in-game item proves I won. Or at least, it did.

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How many people walked up to you and went "oh cool you won that contest!"? Zero? Just about? Most like, if you even bothered to wear the items, people would ask you where you got it from and then be disappointed they can't get it for themselves. That's the extent of interaction between you and other people in the game regarding these items.

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Originally Posted by DevonEllwood

There's even a current contest going on where people can pick their prizes and the scarf is one of them.
https://fanfest2.finalfantasyxiv.com...ostume-contest

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That I don't get. Though I suppose it would've been worse if it was the only prize available for that contest. If you get several of them, or can choose, it mostly makes the scarf redundant as a prize.

As for the earring debacle:
1. Yoshi replied because of how much that debate blew up, not necessarily because he agreed with the sentiment. Regardless...
2. It's very likely this was planned well beforehand, and they couldn't apply the feedback from the earrings. Keep in mind these things take time to approve and modify.

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How many people walked up to you and went "oh cool you won that contest!"? Zero? Just about? Most like, if you even bothered to wear the items, people would ask you where you got it from and then be disappointed they can't get it for themselves. That's the extent of interaction between you and other people in the game regarding these items.



That I don't get. Though I suppose it would've been worse if it was the only prize available for that contest. If you get several of them, or can choose, it mostly makes the scarf redundant as a prize.

As for the earring debacle:
1. Yoshi replied because of how much that debate blew up, not necessarily because he agreed with the sentiment. Regardless...
2. It's very likely this was planned well beforehand, and they couldn't apply the feedback from the earrings. Keep in mind these things take time to approve and modify.

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you're correct. these things are planned WAAAAY ahead of time, and most likely by the time he made that reply this event was already finished approved and waiting for release. And you can't just stop something fro mbeing released without causing some issues with the devs and other teams. I mean you COULD but good luck pissing off your bosses and other workers. I think alot of people need to remember that cause it seems like they don't and only react with raw emotions. But yeah you're correct, this was most likely WAY ahead.

As someone who has won 6 in game contests so far, I don't mind this at all.

I have Bluebird earring, ahriman choker, mandragora choker, scarf of wondrous wit and the noble barding on my main. I got a 2nd mandragora choker on my alt.

I'm using noble barding on my main's choco atm just because I won it, but the only other two prizes I really ever glam are the two chokers. I'd possibly use the scarf more if it was dyeable... but it isn't so...

At any rate, I'd much prefer the option to buy the old contest items on my alts vs winning more contests. Especially if that meant they were gonna flush out the old prizes to roll in some new options. Even if it's just a period of exclusivity.

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You did efforts to gain exclusivity over those items for a long while, just like how iphone users pay an obscene amount of money in order to obtain their newest shiny toy as soon as it's released, knowing that the prices will go down later.

It's been a few years. I believe that people who couldn't win every contest also deserve a chance at obtaining some of those items?

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Especially for larger contests where SE favors their JP playerbase anyways and there's always more JP entries picked for finalists than NA/EU.

Honestly, I don't see myself buying anything except maybe the torches....the earrings and scarf is kinda "meh".

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Originally Posted by Beckett

That said, I'd be a little pissed if I had won the Scarf of Wondrous Wit that I requested from the latest screenshot contest, only to find out I could have gotten it essentially for free a week later.

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Well, to be fair, it doesn't costs you a thing to enter the contests besides effort so technically, you're still getting something for free if you win or if you just outright pay the low gil fee for said scarf now. It's free either way, it's not costing you any additional fees.

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Originally Posted by Doozer

I don't really consider playing 1.0 to be winning a contest. Meanwhile I put effort into the entries I submitted to multiple contests to win the Scarf of Wondrous Wit, and now any ol schmuck can buy it with no effort.

So when do they add the feature to spend 50 gil to finish a raid? And those hairstyles and emotes locked behind HoH? When can I buy those for next to nothing.

EDIT: Plus, 1.0 items are no longer obtainable at all, meanwhile contest items can still be won. There's a difference between being exclusive and unobtainable.

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I love the mental gymnastics at work here. This would be adorable if it wasn't so transparent.

Maybe if the community had banded together before, when other exclusives were being stripped, you wouldn't be in this position now? But that wasn't the case before, and won't be the case now. Your thread will be filled to the brim with people telling you to get over it, same as every thread before - White Ravens or otherwise.


I'm against this just as much as I was against giving away the White Ravens, or reusing the Zodiac Relic models, or whatever. Not gonna waste a lot of time rallying the cause though since 1) the community's going to do what I said, and 2) Square's not going to care (or respond, probably). They ain't gonna make it a replica, either. You've got even less time than the White Ravens crew had.

Something we as a playerbase should just accept now...
To accept that *NOTHING*, and I do mean *NOTHING* , in this game will ever retain any amount of value over time.

Do expect for the rest of the 1.0 items to be made available? Yes, the legacy mark, Chocobo and Goobbue.

Feast rewards? I expect to see them made available to everyone too.

Bluebird earring? Gaelicap? You guessed, given out to everyone.

Unsynced UwU? You betcha!!

For the record, I dislike this, but they have been marching down this path for a while now.

They have removed exclusivity on:
1.0 seasonal event rewards
1.0 achievement rewards
1.0 Seventh Umbral Storyline rewards
Original Fanfest rewards
Contest rewards

There is no reason to think that they will simply stop there.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Something we as a playerbase should just accept now...
To accept that *NOTHING*, and I do mean *NOTHING* , in this game will ever retain any amount of value over time.

Do expect for the rest of the 1.0 items to be made available? Yes, the legacy mark, Chocobo and Goobbue.

Feast rewards? I expect to see them made available to everyone too.

Bluebird earring? Gaelicap? You guessed, given out to everyone.

Unsynced UwU? You betcha!!

For the record, I dislike this, but they have been marching down this path for a while now.

They have removed exclusivity on:
1.0 seasonal event rewards
1.0 achievement rewards
1.0 Seventh Umbral Storyline rewards
Original Fanfest rewards
Contest rewards

There is no reason to think that they will simply stop there.

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Now you're just being silly. I have hard time to even take you serious.

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Originally Posted by Luna-M

Now you're just being silly. I have hard time to even take you serious.

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Why do you expect them to not make other things available too?

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Why do you expect them to not make other things available too?

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Oh I'm sure they are but I also don't really give a damn if they do. Nothing stay exclusive in a mmo, unless you're blizzard.


But i never see them handing out Ultimate weapons nor unsync it, legacy status or tied items such as mounts. People need to understand the Raven Earrings was a "raid" reward while tattoo, chocobo and Goobbue mount was all legacy status items.

I am of the thought that everyone should be able to enjoy all things in the game at some point or another. Digital exclusivity doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me but I am from a different era of folks. This happened before and will continue to happen.

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Oh I'm sure they are but I also don't really give a damn if they do. Nothing stay exclusive in a mmo, unless you're blizzard.


But i never see them handing out Ultimate weapons nor unsync it, legacy status or tied items such as mounts. People need to understand the Raven Earrings was a "raid" reward while tattoo, chocobo and Goobbue mount was all legacy status items.

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Sigh.

The mark of the twelve, was not from the legacy campaign. It was only from creating a character in 1.0. That’s it.
The Legacy Goobbue was from a quest, it was not part of the legacy campaign either.

Only the Chocobo and the reduced sub were from the campaign.

I should know, I have all of them. I also had the “raid” earrings too.

Isn’t UwU only a “raid”?

I do not see them giving out legacy sub or the merchandise items as those would directly cost SE money while the others can make them money.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Something we as a playerbase should just accept now...
To accept that *NOTHING*, and I do mean *NOTHING* , in this game will ever retain any amount of value over time.

Do expect for the rest of the 1.0 items to be made available? Yes, the legacy mark, Chocobo and Goobbue.

Feast rewards? I expect to see them made available to everyone too.

Bluebird earring? Gaelicap? You guessed, given out to everyone.

Unsynced UwU? You betcha!!

For the record, I dislike this, but they have been marching down this path for a while now.

They have removed exclusivity on:
1.0 seasonal event rewards
1.0 achievement rewards
1.0 Seventh Umbral Storyline rewards
Original Fanfest rewards
Contest rewards

There is no reason to think that they will simply stop there.

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And there's nothing wrong with making them available. It's all digital anyway, nothing is permanent. Put away your pride.