Expanding Housing limit

I was wondering if the housing would extend more limits? Example my guilds home is a large and we can only hold up to 400 items. We have creative people who love making beautiful designs, but the 400 limit i'm sorry to say is just not enough to make the image they are seeking for others to see. I'm sure other guilds have come across this and we are cut down to what we can and cannot use, but with many new furniture coming out on the game, one does not simply want to store or remove an item when it can compliment another.

Is there any news of housings expanding its inventory?

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Originally Posted by xazzy_flower

I was wondering if the housing would extend more limits? Example my guilds home is a large and we can only hold up to 400 items. We have creative people who love making beautiful designs, but the 400 limit i'm sorry to say is just not enough to make the image they are seeking for others to see. I'm sure other guilds have come across this

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I seriously doubt anyone in a cottage or medium regularly finds themselves very limited by the furnishing slots. 200 and 300 are fine for cottages and mediums so your particular issue isn't very common. However I agree that 400 is not enough for a mansion. They're so massive I think you would need 600 slots to fill them nicely.

No news on it but SE did increase the amount of furnishing slots in SB. So if they do it again, maybe in the next expansion we'll see it.

Thanks for the heads up? ^-^ Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I seriously doubt anyone in a cottage or medium regularly finds themselves very limited by the furnishing slots. 200 and 300 are fine for cottages and mediums so your particular issue isn't very common. However I agree that 400 is not enough for a mansion. They're so massive I think you would need 600 slots to fill them nicely.

No news on it but SE did increase the amount of furnishing slots in SB. So if they do it again, maybe in the next expansion we'll see it.

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300 is still too few for mediums. I don't think we need double, but an extra 100 would make it just lived-in enough, I think. Right now I've had to refrain from a lot of "touches" like wall items, lamps, etc - and that's without doing too much "wasting" (using extra walls, shelf stairs, etc.)

I think all housing types could use at least a boost of 50.
Mansions an increase of 100. I don't think I've seen a single mansion that is 'filled out' that doesn't have pretty sizable sections completely walled off/removed. They look so incredibly barren and empty if you don't block off something.

I hope they will be able to add some more slots to the outside as well. With only 20 slots available for a small plot it is difficult to add as much detail as I would like.

50 more for the inside of a small and 5 more for the outside would be pretty great.

Outdoor furnishing most definitely could use a bit of increase as well imo. Even with a small plot, 20 items isn't an adequate amount when there's so many wonderful decorations for outdoor use in the game.

Yeah... with all the extra walls and windows we need to place infront of the old tiny windows sure takes a nice amount of space.

While an increase to at least larges and even mediums would be extremely nice, I feel more restricted by the 40 interactable items "limit." Ideally they would fix both but if I had to pick, I would rather they prioritize changing that.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

While an increase to at least larges and even mediums would be extremely nice, I feel more restricted by the 40 interactable items "limit." Ideally they would fix both but if I had to pick, I would rather they prioritize changing that.

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I still feel like this could be fixed by changing what counts as interactable and having a separate interactable menu, like the colour one, in which you can change anything that doesn't need to be clicked on outside of housing mode. (Paintings, flowers, fish tanks, wallpapers, etc.)

I agree 100% with increasing the limit for large houses. I'd like an increase of 100, personally, and I'd always welcome more. There's just so much space to cover!

Smalls and mediums I feel are at the sweet spot. Maybe add a little more to mediums, but you can definitely make some really nice houses with the current limit.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson

Outdoor furnishing most definitely could use a bit of increase as well imo. Even with a small plot, 20 items isn't an adequate amount when there's so many wonderful decorations for outdoor use in the game.

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I agree with this. 20 for outside is just not enough. I hope they will consider allowing more.

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Originally Posted by Pastel_Orchid

I agree with this. 20 for outside is just not enough. I hope they will consider allowing more.

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They have it on their to-do list, however because we have the ward system and you have to load up all your neighbors' stuff, outdoor decor has to be extremely limited. While a small house is only 20 items max, the entire ward is 730 items being loaded up. Each additional item they grant to a yard is +30 items to the entire ward.

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Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson

Outdoor furnishing most definitely could use a bit of increase as well imo. Even with a small plot, 20 items isn't an adequate amount when there's so many wonderful decorations for outdoor use in the game.

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This is needed a lot more than insides right now, I think.

This is a huge pain point for many decorators and probably the most wanted change by those who decorate.

Think of it from the perspectives of different players:
1. The average player will never reach that 400 item limit, because they use furniture as intended and quite frankly, furniture is the most expensive in-game good.
2. The decorator plays mainly to decorate. They want to make creative designs and think outside the box. They often play Legos or IKEA hacking to create new furniture from various other pieces of furniture and they use many many more items. For these people the item limits are very restrictive.

I would advocate to double all of the item limits and here’s my reasoning why:

There is always a trade-off between space and item-to-space ratio (item ratio from here on). The smaller the space, the better item ratio. However, the smaller the space the more we are restricted on what we can do creatively. Most of my design plans are foiled because of spatial restrictions even in large houses.

Apartments and FC rooms have the best item ratio at 100 items but the worst space. The space is very small and easy to fill. There are enough item slots to create fairly elaborate designs. Unfortunately, the space is too small for a lot of design ideas, particularly with large furnishings like the Gold Saucer Slot machines.

Cottages/small houses have a similar balance. They are approximately twice the size of an apartment and have twice the items at 200 items. We can still create fairly detailed designs although it’s a little more restrictive when we consider stair cases and that the basement is slightly bigger than an apartment. Space for larger design ideas is still a problem.

Houses/mediums have the best balance between space and item-ratio. The item ratio is not as good as that of an apartment. A house is approximately 6x the size of and apartment but only has 3x the item slots at 300 slots. However, the space in a house is also less restrictive and we can work with larger design ideas.

Mansions/large houses have the worst item ratio but the best space. Mansions are approximately 16x the size of an apartment but only have 4x as many slots at 400 item slots. That means large houses allow for the most creative and elaborate designs in theory but you can’t fill them up. What people end up doing with mansions are the following.

1. They are empty. The restrictive item limits lead to bare bones designs with little details. Few designers are able to pull off large open spaces without the space looking empty.
2. Designers do a somewhat detailed design on two floors and block off the third. I personally find that behavior extremely obnoxious but that discussion is for another day.
3. Designers make one or two elaborate pieces and sparsely decorate the rest of the house with very very very few items.

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Additionally, as more new furniture is released, designers want to incorporate more of these furnishings into designs and the item ratio comes more into aw
Therefore, I advocate for doubling the slots to balance out space-to-item ratio.
For a mansion, 800 slots will still be restrictive but it would give us more options to be creative.

As for outside decorations the item-ratio is abysmal for any type. I understand that the entire ward is loaded but why don’t they make it so that we only load the items in other yards when we get in like a two block radius? There’s no need for me to load the stuff on the other side of the ward. It’s not even like we can fly our mounts and look at the housing area from above (which would actually be super nice.

I agree with everything said above. We definitely need a doubling of the slots. I've managed to achieve a decent balance in my medium, and even managed to make a mansion reasonably decorated for a client, but it's hard. I always have to think about blank space, and can never have the detail that I want to make the place look properly lived in.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

300 is still too few for mediums. I don't think we need double, but an extra 100 would make it just lived-in enough, I think. Right now I've had to refrain from a lot of "touches" like wall items, lamps, etc - and that's without doing too much "wasting" (using extra walls, shelf stairs, etc.)

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I am very curious as to how your house looks. My fc house has still something like 80 slots left and the house looks quite full, aside from the upstairs but it won't need 80 slots to finish it. 15 at most.

Perhaps it's down to us using much larger furnishings so we get more for one slot.

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Originally Posted by Pastel_Orchid

I agree with this. 20 for outside is just not enough. I hope they will consider allowing more.

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If anything, just making things like the Aetheryte, mail box, chocobo stable, and similar items a part of the house would help. A small house loses so many slots to items that EVERY house has/needs to have to be worth using/functional. I still do not understand why half of those items aren't in the exterior design menu like the optional chimneys and awnings.

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

There is always a trade-off between space and item-to-space ratio (item ratio from here on). The smaller the space, the better item ratio. However, the smaller the space the more we are restricted on what we can do creatively. Most of my design plans are foiled because of spatial restrictions even in large houses.

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I think the big problem for us as players is the drop in the item to space ratio is fairly dramatic instead of gradual, especially for large houses. The problem for SE is likely item loading since that's their concern with the outdoor ward areas and interiors aren't likely to be exempt from it.

I went around to various houses I have access to and used White Marble Flooring to get an idea of the relative decorating space in each. I'm excluding the stairwell areas in the tile count since the areas are shared between floors with sharp constraints on how we can use them.

Apartment/FC room: 6 by 8 tiles for a total of 48.

Small: top floor is 6 by 6 tiles plus an additional 4 tiles by the stairs, bottom floor is 6 by 10 plus another 4 by the stairs. Total: 104 tiles.

Medium: each floor is 7.5 by 12 tiles, less 12 tiles for the stairwell on the bottom floor, 24 for the ground floor and 12 on the top floor. Total: 222 tiles.

Large: I don't have interior fixture permission in my FC's large house so I got the following by using White Partition length (which is equal to 2 tiles). Large floors are 12 by 20 less 10 tiles for the bottom floor stairs, 35 for the ground floor stairs and 80 tiles on the top floor (the huge open space in the middle). Total: 595 tiles.

So that gives us the following items per tile numbers:

FC room/apartment - 2.1
Small - 1.9
Medium - 1.4
Large - 0.7

As someone who owns a medium, I feel like the 300 item limit is reasonable even if the ratio significantly less than what a small has. A lot of my item limit goes toward building a staircase to an upstairs loft and using partitions to hide some of the wall pilasters. A slight increase to 350 items would probably be perfect in my eyes though I know there are others that would still argue for more.

But larges really need a significant increase. The decrease in items to space is too extreme compared to what a medium experiences. They should have a limit of at least 600 items.

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Originally Posted by AriesMouse

If anything, just making things like the Aetheryte, mail box, chocobo stable, and similar items a part of the house would help. A small house loses so many slots to items that EVERY house has/needs to have to be worth using/functional. I still do not understand why half of those items aren't in the exterior design menu like the optional chimneys and awnings.

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If they made those things standard fixtures, we'd lose the ability to place them where we want just as we have no control over the placement of the awnings and chimneys. I'd love to use an awning but don't because it's not where I want it to be.

And no, not EVERY house needs/has those items. I don't use the stable or the mailbox. I kept my chocobo stabled at my apartment building until I got it to rank 20 and when I need a mailbox I go to where one is located. I'd agree that teleport to house should be standard so we don't need the Miniature Aetheryte (though I do use that for lighting effects in my yard and would miss it).

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

If they made those things standard fixtures, we'd lose the ability to place them where we want just as we have no control over the placement of the awnings and chimneys. I'd love to use an awning but don't because it's not where I want it to be.

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I feel like they could add them as optional spots, like the way the chimney, awning, fence, and placard are optional. Keep the yard items for anyone who wants to place them somewhere other than default, let folks who are content with standard placement leave them in.

1) Aetheryte - should just be a standard "port to home", no item required. It's a meaningless step in how expensive the houses are anyway, it's not some significant milestone players have to save up for. We could then have aetheryte decorations for anyone who wants to use them. I also think they should expand the aetherytes to include versions that match the different ones we've seen on our travels (Idyllshire, Ok' Zundu, Kugane, Tamamizu, etc.)

2) Postbox - Either/or; should be a standard, built-in "postbox" on the signpost outside your house (or on the gate/next to the fence), a simple box with a letter and a moogle icon on it. If you want one of the others, you can place it yourself. And for the love of garuda can we have some mailboxes that aren't "whimsical" - I don't always have a "whimsical" garden/yard.

3) Chocobo stables - Either/or situation. Accept the built-in version (possibly even with a left/right checkbox to switch which side of the yard it's on) if you want it built-in; if you're willing to spend yard space, place your own wherever you want it. Also, again, different stable styles. Each housing area has its own stable style @ the apartments and it'd be nice if we could buy whichever one we wanted.

Please add more housing space....

Large +200
Medium +100
Small +50
Apartment/FC room +25

Ty you very much SE if want to do this for us.

Other suggestion outdoor alll houses, add free spot for mailbox, aetherport + chobobo stable only for those 2 items to be extras or the likes, or just add mailboxes to any housing.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

So that gives us the following items per tile numbers:

FC room/apartment - 2.1
Small - 1.9
Medium - 1.4
Large - 0.7

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Thanks for putting some numbers to this issue. It’s really helpful to think about it this way. So, the apartments can place 3x as many items in the same amount of space as a large. That’s a huge difference!

So, that means the devs should be aiming for ca. 2 items per tile or if we are going by partition squares (a lot of the floor patterns and rugs have that exact size) we need 8 items per square.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I feel like they could add them as optional spots, like the way the chimney, awning, fence, and placard are optional. Keep the yard items for anyone who wants to place them somewhere other than default, let folks who are content with standard placement leave them in.

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FYI — aetherites don’t take up item slots. You also can’t remove them after they have been placed. I think chocobo stables might be the same. I think they should do that for all of the interactive items that offer game functions like stables, mail box, message books, etc.

Also, agree that I would like to have a non-moogle message box. They really don’t fit with the Hingan decor...

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I am very curious as to how your house looks. My fc house has still something like 80 slots left and the house looks quite full, aside from the upstairs but it won't need 80 slots to finish it. 15 at most.

Perhaps it's down to us using much larger furnishings so we get more for one slot.

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If you can “fill” an entire floor with 15 items, I would assume that you’re not a decorator. This is an issue for people who put a lot of time and effort into decorating.

For example my bathroom sink here takes 26 items alone (not counting the partitions):

http://i1043.photobucket.com/albums/...pse4vrx1f2.jpg

They are always going to feel like not enough, because if you want to get creative you end up using a lot. You know how much I would want to change the floor of every room using different flooring things. Like the Combed rug to rug some rooms, but the combed rug is small, so you can't feasibly do it. It would take a good 6-8 to cover a nice sized living room.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

They are always going to feel like not enough, because if you want to get creative you end up using a lot. You know how much I would want to change the floor of every room using different flooring things. Like the Combed rug to rug some rooms, but the combed rug is small, so you can't feasibly do it. It would take a good 6-8 to cover a nice sized living room.

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Actually getting the ratios in order for housing limits would be enough if keep on adding beyond what suggested myself, then one would have a serious problem.

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

If you can “fill” an entire floor with 15 items, I would assume that you’re not a decorator.

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That's putting it a bit harshly, you might want to rethink your wording on this. As it is, it comes off extremely condescending. She said that she 80 slots left over after decorating most of her house but could finish filling up her top floor just using 15 of those. And there is absolutely nothing wrong in going with a sleek, less cluttered look in your interior designs anyway.

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

FYI — aetherites don’t take up item slots.

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They absolutely do take a slot. So do the stables.

[QUOTE=not_ya_wify;4779341]If you can “fill” an entire floor with 15 items, I would assume that you’re not a decorator. This is an issue for people who put a lot of time and effort into decorating.

For example my bathroom sink here takes 26 items alone (not counting the partitions):

Uhm.. if you need to many spaces though you are not a decorator either, sorry I just noticed... also with large houses... it is the matter of the whole wide area containing a few classy things that make it difficult to do a large house most of all as well... decorating is not about putting 40 items into one single corner, it more or less show lack of effort spreading it out or unable to do stuff with current decorations without having to go advanced, so please don't call people out saying what they are andf what they are not... that bathroom more or less look like something from a 20 year old game as well ;)

As for creativity it is a matter of using what got already and make it work, that is decorating... for 15 items in a room... very simple and elegant way of doing that... room with crafting the decoratings alone standout well enough to fill a room, or a kitchen... one of the rooms I made in my large house only contain 17 items in a wide spread and looks good.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Uhm.. if you need to many spaces though you are not a decorator either, sorry I just noticed... also with large houses... it is the matter of the whole wide area containing a few classy things that make it difficult to do a large house most of all as well... decorating is not about putting 40 items into one single corner, it more or less show lack of effort spreading it out or unable to do stuff with current decorations without having to go advanced, so please don't call people out saying what they are andf what they are not... that bathroom more or less look like something from a 20 year old game as well ;)

As for creativity it is a matter of using what got already and make it work, that is decorating... for 15 items in a room... very simple and elegant way of doing that... room with crafting the decoratings alone standout well enough to fill a room, or a kitchen... one of the rooms I made in my large house only contain 17 items in a wide spread and looks good.

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You both need to chill out a bit. Everyone has their own personal preferences when it comes to decorating. There are no standards that have to be met to be considered a decorator. There doesn't have to be a minimum number of items use nor a tight limit. Things don't have to placed only in small groupings anymore than every square inch has to be packed. It's what you personally want in your space that matters.

not_ya_wify's bathroom counter came out extremely nice considering the items we have to work with in the game. If you can do better for a bathroom counter, share screenshots with us. It would also be nice to see the screenshots of the entire room in your large that you decorated using only 17 items.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You both need to chill out a bit. Everyone has their own personal preferences when it comes to decorating. There are no standards that have to be met to be considered a decorator. There doesn't have to be a minimum number of items use nor a tight limit. Things don't have to placed only in small groupings anymore than every square inch has to be packed. It's what you personally want in your space that matters.

not_ya_wify's bathroom counter came out extremely nice considering the items we have to work with in the game. If you can do better for a bathroom counter, share screenshots with us. It would also be nice to see the screenshots of the entire room in your large that you decorated using only 17 items.

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I want anything with a sink on it.

Oh a table top item like this:

https://www.lowes.com/images/Vessel_Sink_BG_TH.jpg

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

If you can “fill” an entire floor with 15 items, I would assume that you’re not a decorator. This is an issue for people who put a lot of time and effort into decorating.

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I did not say I filled a floor with 15 items, I said I would need around 15 to -finish- it. Maybe try to read my post properly before unleashing your housing elitism at me.

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

For example my bathroom sink here takes 26 items alone (not counting the partitions)

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Let's not suggest that the amount of slots used is a direct indication of decorative quality. Decorating isn't as simple as that.

All this aside I think we can all agree that mansions are in a dire need of increased furnishing slots far more than any other type of housing.

I need them to increase the amount of items on the OUTSIDE before they do more on the inside. The limit on smalls is too restricting with the way the plots are laid out. :(

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

I need them to increase the amount of items on the OUTSIDE before they do more on the inside. The limit on smalls is too restricting with the way the plots are laid out. :(

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I completely agree but I can see why this is more difficult than increasing the interior slots. While outside every garden in the area needs to be rendered and that's way more work for the server to do than just the inside of a house. I am hoping to see exterior slots added in 5.0.

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Originally Posted by Syrehn

I need them to increase the amount of items on the OUTSIDE before they do more on the inside. The limit on smalls is too restricting with the way the plots are laid out. :(

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This is also personal opinion; I'm certainly not going to argue with anyone who wants more outside (and I still feel like they can adjust how aetherytes, stables, and mailboxes are counted - yes, aetherytes do count towards the item #, I checked) but personally if I had to pick more inside v more outside I'd pick inside every time. It just depends on who has what visions for their yards/interiors.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You both need to chill out a bit. Everyone has their own personal preferences when it comes to decorating. There are no standards that have to be met to be considered a decorator. There doesn't have to be a minimum number of items use nor a tight limit. Things don't have to placed only in small groupings anymore than every square inch has to be packed. It's what you personally want in your space that matters.

not_ya_wify's bathroom counter came out extremely nice considering the items we have to work with in the game. If you can do better for a bathroom counter, share screenshots with us. It would also be nice to see the screenshots of the entire room in your large that you decorated using only 17 items.

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Not really, only give a commendation on the lightning, the walls around is flat and dull and show next to know taste or creativity... a more simple approach would raise the arms much more from people in general and amount of making a simple thing is a total waste of inventory space in a house... does not show creativity but lack of it.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Not really, only give a commendation on the lightning, the walls around is flat and dull and show next to know taste or creativity... a more simple approach would raise the arms much more from people in general and amount of making a simple thing is a total waste of inventory space in a house... does not show creativity but lack of it.

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Taste is subjective. Creativity is subjective.

You're not making a good case for how you believe things should be done is better than what not_ya_wify did. Try posting some screenshots of what you've done to argue your case.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Not really, only give a commendation on the lightning, the walls around is flat and dull and show next to know taste or creativity... a more simple approach would raise the arms much more from people in general and amount of making a simple thing is a total waste of inventory space in a house... does not show creativity but lack of it.

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Part of the fun of the housing game for a lot of people is seeing what they can make out of what we have. You're 100, 1,000 times entitled to your own opinion about what you do or don't like about housing styles - but trashing someone else's style, especially in a thread that's not even about style, is crass and isn't going to win you any friends. Your preferred mode of decoration may be to make the most with as little as you can, and that's fine, too, but that's your preference. That's why there's thousands of different housing styles in the world; one person may like stark minimalism, with its clean lines; another may revel in the victorian townhome, full of knicknacks and oddities.

I don't get why you feel the hostility is necessary, but it's enough to say that you don't agree with an increase in housing items and leave it there. And if you don't feel that way, then I can't imagine what your goal here is other than than to simply insult someone else.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

Part of the fun of the housing game for a lot of people is seeing what they can make out of what we have. You're 100, 1,000 times entitled to your own opinion about what you do or don't like about housing styles - but trashing someone else's style, especially in a thread that's not even about style, is crass and isn't going to win you any friends. Your preferred mode of decoration may be to make the most with as little as you can, and that's fine, too, but that's your preference. That's why there's thousands of different housing styles in the world; one person may like stark minimalism, with its clean lines; another may revel in the victorian townhome, full of knicknacks and oddities.

I don't get why you feel the hostility is necessary, but it's enough to say that you don't agree with an increase in housing items and leave it there. And if you don't feel that way, then I can't imagine what your goal here is other than than to simply insult someone else.

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I agree, and got nothing against people saying stuff and the likes as long as it do not get personal in anyway, stating the same though that amount of items needed is not a sign of creativity either, but a lack of can be the same way of looking at things, either way you would be welcome to take a look at my own house in it's current state of always moving around in the mist ward 13, plot 15, Server Zodiark, got some new ideas to try out as well, though I don't consider myself pro in decorating or anything that is up for others to judge, as would be difficult to do that myself, but my goal is to try and make it done with as few items as possible needed for this and that and it is a constant battle trying to make it simpler but better looking as it is as certainly could use +2 item spaces elsewhere and the likes and so goes on the battle of trying to win over the 400 item limit for good :)

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I think the big problem for us as players is the drop in the item to space ratio is fairly dramatic instead of gradual, especially for large houses. The problem for SE is likely item loading since that's their concern with the outdoor ward areas and interiors aren't likely to be exempt from it.

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I only quoted a small amount of that post, but if you haven't read it you should! I can't imagine how long it took to go to each house and count the tiles on all the floors and figure out the space for each house. I'm sure it was quite a bit of work!

To Jojoya - Thank you so much for this! I really don't think SE has considered how much extra space we get moving from an FC room/ apartment to a cottage to a house to a mansion. Your numbers really show how much of a difference there is, and why it can be so hard to decorate the larger spaces.

Also - /bump ;-)