Should "Ingenuity" leves come back for future levequests?

For those who do crafting levequests, should "ingenuity" leves come back in future expansions?

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Ingenuity leves are the ones where the leve person and the item recipients are in different locations. The gil and exp reward is quite high. This leve type was not seen in Heavensward and Stormblood.

However, the other two tradecraft leve types of Charity (Triple turn-in) and Constancy (Single turn-in) still remain to this day.

I would love for them to revamp the leve system entirely.

They should bring back battle leves but as group play, like spawning an NM type mob and fighting it but only if you meet certain criteria within the leve system itself.
Make the gathering/crafting leves more involved and actually make you interact with different NPCs depending on what they need. I remember in 1.0 they even gave you the materials

I would go into more detail but its late, I will edit in the AM at some point! :)

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Make the gathering/crafting leves more involved and actually make you interact with different NPCs depending on what they need. I remember in 1.0 they even gave you the materials

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You basically just described the ixal and moogle beast tribe quests.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

I would love for them to revamp the leve system entirely.

They should bring back battle leves but as group play, like spawning an NM type mob and fighting it but only if you meet certain criteria within the leve system itself.
Make the gathering/crafting leves more involved and actually make you interact with different NPCs depending on what they need. I remember in 1.0 they even gave you the materials

I would go into more detail but its late, I will edit in the AM at some point! :)

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The Beastman tribe quests ARE the current levequests.

That said, Levequests were a key feature of V1.0 and all kinds of elaborate lore and artwork went into it. It's just not fun to repeat. Other games have repeatables/dailies that can be done infinitely, (and hence are RMT bait), that's why they exist.

I would like to see them re-visit some V1.0 stuff that was actually lore-relevant, re-introduce a few of the open-world style dungeons that you have to explore, not simply defeat a boss to complete. Like there was all this Gelmorra stuff in V1.0 that appears to have simply vanished, along with entire parts of the Black Shroud and the Mor Dhona/Lake Silvertear area. Like the V1.0 opening placed an emphasis on levequests, and all that imagery was excised in the V2.0 OP, along with it's relevance.

Lore-wise, it would make sense that the combat levequests aren't available in Doma or Ala Mhigo because those were under imperial control when you start, and Kugane is neutral. That however glosses over the Azim Steppe.

So really the way to put those back in would be to either introduce a new GC for the Eastern region, and expand the existing three GC's into Ala Mhigo by having them create their own offices there, since technically they went from being occupied by the Imperials under duress to being peacefully occupied by the Eorzean GC's.

At any rate the Beastman tribes fill this void.

Battle leve's need a major rework.

They removed them in SB because they weren't "popular enough" and worth development time. I wondered about this until, while leveling recently, I tried out a few. A lv54 leve (which requires teleporting to a different region) gave me about 16500 exp, where I needed about 1.7m to level. This means that a full leve allowance of 100 would not be enough for a single level.

A big problem with FF14 is that dungeons and palace of the dead give far better exp than other sources, thus you get funneled into only doing this content. There's no reason not to put other content on a similar level so that you can pick and choose. A few changes I'd like to see with a return of battle leve's:

-Exp increased
-Armory bonus applied for alt characters, similar to Fates
-Beckon leve's removed, seriously screw these.
-Add a little back story, like several of the leve's link together and unlock a quest leve

Bring back faction leves.

Seems like the thread somewhat derailed, but still has relevant points nonetheless.

To clarify, Ingenuity leves are the ones where the leve person and the item recipients are in different locations. The gil and exp reward is quite high. This leve type was not seen in Heavensward and Stormblood.

However, the other two tradecraft leve types of Charity (Triple turn-in) and Constancy (Single turn-in) still remain to this day.

Why do you need it? You only do one type of leve in SB if you are serious anyways. Many jobs have a single leve where you turn in raw materials (tiger leather. holy steel ingots, etc) instead of armor pieces or weapons. You can spam those all the way to 70, at a fraction of the cost and time it takes to do any other leves. Even though the exp decreases per level, its still better overall than leves that require 4 or 5 x the ingredients to make the items.

They literally broke the leve system in this patch that way. It was one of the more disappointing things in this expansion.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

-Beckon leve's removed, seriously screw these.
-Add a little back story, like several of the leve's link together and unlock a quest leve

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"Beckon" leve's are escort missions. Nobody likes escort missions because the thing/person/animal you escort tends to be made of tissue paper. There is a right way to do escort missions, but they need to be YOU in the drivers seat, so you can either opt to do a blockade runner or fight it out and risk losing/destroying your escort cargo/VIP. Simply escorting tissue paper characters through an artificially-made-difficult area isn't that fun. This is something that is better suited to PvP games though, where parallel quests are initiated (eg faction A gets "transport cargo through faction B controlled area", faction B gets "patrol faction B controlled area from faction A insurgents") and then that means there are actual faction balance issues to contend with.

its not the escort mission, its the fact beckon seems to work only in melee range, and needs to be done constantly just to get your leve buddy to even move. If they fixed that, they'd be fine.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

For those who do crafting levequests, should "ingenuity" leves come back in future expansions?

Edit for clarification:

Ingenuity leves are the ones where the leve person and the item recipients are in different locations. The gil and exp reward is quite high. This leve type was not seen in Heavensward and Stormblood.

However, the other two tradecraft leve types of Charity (Triple turn-in) and Constancy (Single turn-in) still remain to this day.

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No, crafting leves shouldn't leave a long distance from the bell, it is too much time wasting traveling and one may need to make more trips just because this game lacks inventory space.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

No, crafting leves shouldn't leave a long distance from the bell, it is too much time wasting traveling and one may need to make more trips just because this game lacks inventory space.

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Its a RPG, traveling is par for the course. Having more interaction with NPCs is always a good thing.

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Originally Posted by RokkuEkkusu

For those who do crafting levequests, should "ingenuity" leves come back in future expansions?

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No, they should not. Ingenuity leves are great, but the balance for them is very specific: you have to travel at least one zone between grabbing them and handing them in. When you're making level 30 items, the time and even gil cost of doing this are fairly significant. However, level 51+ crafting takes far longer due to using more materials and being much more difficult at the appropriate level, to the point where the time needed to teleport is a trivial addition. The gil cost is similarly tiny for your level. Ingenuity leves give 50% more experience than Constancy leves of the same crafted item level. This would need to be drastically reduced to be balanced with Constancy leves at current expansion levels.

Incidentally, I kind of wish they'd remove high-level Charity leves for the same reason. Making three times the items gets more and more time prohibitive with each expansion.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

Its a RPG, traveling is par for the course. Having more interaction with NPCs is always a good thing.

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Then give more inventory space. If they gave enough inventory space for such ideas then fine.

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Originally Posted by Vstarstruck

Then give more inventory space. If they gave enough inventory space for such ideas then fine.

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In ARR, a tier of Ingenuity leves took anywhere between 11-14 HQ items/turn-ins to clear (give or take depending on a few factors) and each tier was every five levels. Plus however many slots for the individual materials, it's probably no more than 20 slots tops. This is significantly reduced if you're doing a medicine item for ALC, a meal item for CUL, or a crafting material (rarely) for any class since those all stack in one slot (plus up to 5 slots for the mats for a maximum of 6). This doesn't take optimizing for efficiency or HW/SB crafting recipes into account, but that's the gist of it.

If you don't generally have at least 20 slots available, then I don't know what to tell you.

That said, with the way they rebalanced crafting leve rewards in HW/SB, they pretty much obsoleted these leves, so I can't see them returning any time soon.

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Originally Posted by Talraen

Incidentally, I kind of wish they'd remove high-level Charity leves for the same reason. Making three times the items gets more and more time prohibitive with each expansion.

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Do players still try to do the full three turn-ins? I mean, I guess it's the better exp. But I've taken to just doing one and done. I don't even really need the exp. As a completionist, I want to do all of them anyway, but I find myself out-leveling the leves very easily. I haven't even hit any of the (L) leves yet, and I'm still out pacing.

But, that might also be because I'm still in HW and I'm pretty sure they recently boosted leve exp by a big chunk. Which is great for leveling, but I actually kinda think I'm getting through content too fast.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

"Beckon" leve's are escort missions. Nobody likes escort missions because the thing/person/animal you escort tends to be made of tissue paper.

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As mentioned above, the tissue paper part isn't the issue, it's the extremely clunky mechanics where you have to switch targets between npc and enemy, spam beckon constantly at melee range, they only run a short distance and the npc completely ignores you if they're already moving.

It could be bearable if the npc simply followed you automatically or ran ahead on a set path, like with escort Fates, but the whole "Beckon" thing is tedious.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Do players still try to do the full three turn-ins? I mean, I guess it's the better exp. But I've taken to just doing one and done. I don't even really need the exp. As a completionist, I want to do all of them anyway, but I find myself out-leveling the leves very easily. I haven't even hit any of the (L) leves yet, and I'm still out pacing.

But, that might also be because I'm still in HW and I'm pretty sure they recently boosted leve exp by a big chunk. Which is great for leveling, but I actually kinda think I'm getting through content too fast.

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I certainly stopped doing the triple turn-ins, but Charity leves require triple the items per turn in, so they're still a pain. (I mean, I'm definitely not doing nine complete crafts for one leve.) I actually forgot you could even do multiple turn-ins when I wrote that post!

I don't remember how it was when Heavensward was new, but in Stormblood, doing each leve (once) and doing daily GC hand-ins, all HQ, was plenty to get me to max level along with the quest experience and general crafting experience. Tripling up Charity leves is just overkill.

Incidentally, I haven't done any of the Heavensward (L) crafting leves either, though I'm planning to slowly do so just for completion's sake. They are entirely unnecessary in the leveling process, which I assume is why they were not revisited in Stormblood.

I would enjoy their return.
I'd also like battle leves to come back too.

Battle leves never left, they are called "beast tribe quests" mostly. Same thing.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Battle leves never left, they are called "beast tribe quests" mostly. Same thing.

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And hunts. Don't forget hunts!

They broke escort leves because they way were too easy long, long ago. The NPC used to move at normal running speed, meaning you could run and beckon every 3 seconds or so, and complete the leve easily without worrying about enemies. They made the NPC move at walk speed, which made the leves no longer worth doing at all (the unlock leves weren't changed, ex the one that goes with "Leves of Camp Drybone").

The Ingenuity leves are pretty good through ARR, since the triple turn ins normally require 3 of an item on each turn in. You end up turning in 9 high mythril armor to get 20% more exp than turning in 1 hell's kitchen. Both cost 1 leve.

...that means they are worse stouter, you are spending 9 times the resourses for that gain. Unless you plan to zero out your leves entirely in a rush and have time/money to spare, spam the hell's kitchen, but you shouldn't even be doing that. Spam the ingot leves.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

...that means they are worse stouter, you are spending 9 times the resourses for that gain. Unless you plan to zero out your leves entirely in a rush and have time/money to spare, spam the hell's kitchen, but you shouldn't even be doing that. Spam the ingot leves.

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The ingot leve that compares with those two (45 ARM) requires 9 cobalt ingots, and ends up giving less exp than 1 hell's kitchen.