Glamour Dresser Changes

With this new live letter, SE is getting slammed pretty hard. Although it is definitely well-deserved and I hope they take the backlash to heart and reconsider some of their decisions, I wanted to make a thread to focus on some of the things that they got RIGHT. It's really easy to be vocal about things you dislike and it can be disheartening to the development team to get nothing but criticism. So lets talk about some of the things that we're happy about. (But SE, don't be that company that ignores the criticism and only points to the positive comments. That isn't cool either.)

So, one thing I was really excited to see was the change to glamour dressers. Apparently, we'll be able to reclaim items we've put inside. One of the major reasons I didn't want to use the dresser was because I didn't want to permanently lose access outside of the dresser to items that were expensive or troublesome to get. So I'm super excited to see this change and I'm thinking that I'll actually use it now.

I'm also low key excited for the new deep dungeon. Not because it's fun or exciting or anything but it should be an efficient way to level alts and spamming dungeons is absolutely painful with long queue times. This will be much more efficient.

How about you guys? What are some things you're excited about?

That's an improvement, but why are they against a system where you unlock styles when you acquire/bind/equip items?

Hopefully a new steady stream of desynth fodder.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

That's an improvement, but why are they against a system where you unlock styles when you acquire/bind/equip items?

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I'm not sure. I honestly think that the "glamour log" so many have asked for would be the most ideal system and I have no idea why it wasn't implemented when the idea of the system was literally spoon fed to them. But the glamour dresser is what we got and if they aren't going to change it, then I'm at least happy with this step in the right direction.

I was stoked to hear about the glamour dresser change! Just like you, I haven't been using it because the lack of item removal and the inability to use it for squad members were holding me back. I was hoping for at least one of these issues to be fixed, and with BOTH of them coming, I can confidently say I'm looking forward to using the glamour dresser more often!

I'm also excited for the new beast tribe, leveling up the last of my crafting jobs and helping out the Namazu. They seem to be hanging out with the Mol tribe too, which I'm really intrigued by. I loved that part of the story. Here's hoping for a fun questline!

I think they got a lot right.

Just the raid greed and the app premium isn't on-point.

But everything else they announced is pretty good, or at least interesting to wonder about until we get more details.

I posted this in another thread but here's what I'm excited about and why:
Release: Late May 2018 (yay in 5-6 weeks).
New MSQ. (I wanna know what happens next dammit)
New Sidequests (4 lords, Doman reconstruction,Hildibrand).
New instances (1 dungeon, 1 trial , 1 extreme trial , 1 ultimate, alliance raid, deep dungeon lvl 60+ 100 floors, Eureka Pagos - so much! And the new deep dungeon being difficult starting on floor 31 makes me wonder what type of difficulty this will be!).
Raid roulette with Alexander raids.
Beast Tribe (Namazu - crafting and gathering).
New custom deliveries NPC. Crafting/gathering side story related to alliance raid somehow (sounds interesting).
Glamour updates: can reclaim items from glamour dresser.
Job adjustments: DRK, SAM, AST (curious about that last one. I hope it's a weak instant damage spell similar to SCH ruin II so we have a real option for weaving our 15 ogcds when no hot/dot need refreshing and lightspeed isn't up).
Housing update: guestbook, mannequin.
Crossworld linkshell.

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Originally Posted by Brynne

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YES! Being able to use it on squad members is really nice! Now I just need to be able to use it on retainers too and I'll be super pleased.

I'm also looking forward to the new beast tribe as well. I always enjoy the crafter ones (well.... ok, I enjoyed the moogles. I can't say I enjoyed the Ixali, hahaha...) so it'll be nice to get my last few crafters up while also getting my beast tribes out of the way. :D I hope that their story is interesting ~

EDIT: @Squirtina; OH YEAH. Thank you for reminding me! I'm also super excited about the guestbook for housing. We don't know much about it at this point but if I had to guess, I assume it allows access to your house only to those on the guestbook, which is pretty much what I've been wanting since forever rather than this "it's either open or it's closed" scenario we have now. But admittedly this will make the housing section a lot more closed off I think as many open houses will close only to allow friends. But I could be wrong on what this is entirely. It could just be a literal "guest book" where people can leave comments about your house telling you how nice or terrible it is, hahaha. But I would hope not because that's kind of silly and leaves people open to harassment from people who are angry and want their house.

The mannequins are meh to me but I know a lot of people were asking for a way to show off their favorite gear so I'm sure it made a lot of people happy and even though it's not anything I care about, I think that's a good addition.

Of course I'm happy for all the new MSQ and dungeon content too. Also really excited for the doman reconstruction... I really love watching how those areas change in the game over time. Always fun to see them grow. :)

Based on what I've seen in places like Facebook and the Novice Network, the dresser change is likely a response to the sheer number of support tickets caused by people destroying gear and then wanting it back. Since you needed it for Eureka, lots of people ran into that. Many of them have no idea that Calamity Scavenger exists. For other gear, it spawns support tickets that have to be dealt with.

This is a smart move.

I mean, most of the patch looks good. That's the frustrating thing. The app nonsense and the alliance loot change are just so out of left field and WTF worthy that they've absolutely buried everything that we should be excited to be talking about.

I'll be more "stoked" when they announce search, sort and filter improvements for interfacing with the dresser. Setting plates to gearsets is a welcome addition. However, the entire processes, in its current form, isn't exactly what I would call "user friendly" or "streamlined."

Oh and hopefully being able to glamour our retainers with plates, complete with option to preview the plate on our retainers, would also be a welcomed update. Not all of my retainers are of the same race or gender, and we all know that some gear likes to change form significantly when equipped to the opposite gender.

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Originally Posted by Mikki

Now I just need to be able to use it on retainers too and I'll be super pleased.

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You can already use it for retainers in a roundabout way - equip the gear you're giving the retainer, apply the glamour plate on yourself, and then remove the gear from your character and equip it on the retainer. I agree that it would be nice if they made it simpler, but I'm fine with them leaving that for now as I'd prefer that they prioritize things like increasing the number of plates and the locations where you can apply them.

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Originally Posted by DarkDedede

Setting plates to gearsets is a welcome addition. However, the entire processes, in its current form, isn't exactly what I would call "user friendly" or "streamlined."

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Was that announced as coming next or still in the works? Are we getting a plate per gear set or are we still limited to 10?

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Originally Posted by Tridus

Based on what I've seen in places like Facebook and the Novice Network, the dresser change is likely a response to the sheer number of support tickets caused by people destroying gear and then wanting it back. Since you needed it for Eureka, lots of people ran into that. Many of them have no idea that Calamity Scavenger exists. For other gear, it spawns support tickets that have to be dealt with.

This is a smart move.

I mean, most of the patch looks good. That's the frustrating thing. The app nonsense and the alliance loot change are just so out of left field and WTF worthy that they've absolutely buried everything that we should be excited to be talking about.

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Ah that makes sense about the glamour prisms. Honestly seemed like a dumb idea from the start though. Pfft. But yeah, smart move and it makes me really happy. :)

It truly is a shame, but you're absolutely right. Those are just so terrible that it's hard to think of anything else. But do I dare to hope that they'll listen? I mean, they did listen at the outrage with the housing situation... so maybe... just maybe .. they'll actually reconsider this. I mean, I'm not holding my breath here but we'll see.

I'm really confused on the loot change though. What even made them think "Oh yeah, this is a great idea!"?? I mean.... okay, I guess because it's catch up gear maybe the idea is that people will mostly use the gear for their alts. In which case, if it's their alts, then maybe they want to play their main class. Soooo, lets let them play their main class to get gear for their alts! Honestly that's the only thing I can think of. But it's just so.... ugh. And the app nonsense. Dear god, SE. NO. I feel like we need to put SE in time out or something. Downright naughty.

Any changes to the locations where plates can be applied?

Don't praise them that much though or they'll believe they have done everything and won't bother improving features further, for example I expected them to have increased the number of plates and the places where the dresser can be used and it was not mentioned at all!...

In my personal case, I need the Glamour Dresser system to have more plates (35+), to have more places where it can be used and to have macro support in order to change outfits fast, until that happens it's not really useful because it has a limited potential!...

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Don't praise them that much though or they'll believe they have done everything and won't bother improving features further, for example I expected them to have increased the number of plates and the places where the dresser can be used and it was not mentioned at all!...

In my personal case, I need the Glamour Dresser system to have more plates (35+), to have more places where it can be used and to have macro support in order to change outfits fast, until that happens it's not really useful because it has a limited potential!...

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What they needed to do (and didn't, and probably want us to pay for it), is to have 3 plates per job (15 jobs, 9 classes, 8 crafting jobs, 3 gathering jobs) which comes up to 35. One designated as "normal(eg combat/crafting/gathering)", "costume/event (eg swimsuits)" and "cutscene", and attach the plates to the gear sets. If a plate is designated as "cutscene" it will be used during cutscenes instead of the normal gear being worn.

But that's just making it harder. They could just put 35 plates in and let the player decide what to use them on.

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Originally Posted by Mikki

EDIT: @Squirtina; OH YEAH. Thank you for reminding me! I'm also super excited about the guestbook for housing. We don't know much about it at this point but if I had to guess, I assume it allows access to your house only to those on the guestbook, which is pretty much what I've been wanting since forever rather than this "it's either open or it's closed" scenario we have now.

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It's the latter. It has nothing to do with who is allowed in, it just lets people +1 like your house, or leave a message (oh boy, am I the only one who thinks about the 20-year-olds in my FC and their penchant for constant dick jokes when they read this? There are going to be people who do nothing but go around and leave rude messages while they're bored/queueing. We'll see. Maybe it'll be heavily moderated and have a slew of words that can't be used.)

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Originally Posted by Tridus

I mean, most of the patch looks good. That's the frustrating thing. The app nonsense and the alliance loot change are just so out of left field and WTF worthy that they've absolutely buried everything that we should be excited to be talking about.

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This in a nutshell. I want more of the raid story, and the gear itself from it looks amazing. I want the deep dungeon. The glamour dresser changes are solid, and some places also say we're finally getting it tied to the gear sets? If that's the case I can officially use it, which is all I could've hoped for, really.
And ofc the bunny outfit. Cuz that's a 4.3 thing as well I think :3c

Re: why not just add a glamours log, I think it's a storage issue. Because it means they need to potentially save twice the information for everything in the log for you, log entry + actual item. They're saving up on space by forcing it to still be in your inventory they just give you a system to manage the whole thing. Twisted but what isn't in this game and its legacy code, sadly

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

It's the latter. It has nothing to do with who is allowed in, it just lets people +1 like your house, or leave a message (oh boy, am I the only one who thinks about the 20-year-olds in my FC and their penchant for constant dick jokes when they read this? There are going to be people who do nothing but go around and leave rude messages while they're bored/queueing. We'll see. Maybe it'll be heavily moderated and have a slew of words that can't be used.)

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I'm guessing it would be limited to specific phrases, much like PvP chat is now. E.g."I like your house!" or "Hello, neighbour!"

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

I'm guessing it would be limited to specific phrases, much like PvP chat is now. E.g."I like your house!" or "Hello, neighbour!"

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I hope so. Maybe I'm just a salty old person on the internet, but, well. I'd regret the loss of ability to explain to someone why I like their house, but it's probably better than allowing some of the phrases I've seen sent in tells in this game.

Mannequins cool cool

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I hope so. Maybe I'm just a salty old person on the internet, but, well. I'd regret the loss of ability to explain to someone why I like their house, but it's probably better than allowing some of the phrases I've seen sent in tells in this game.

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I am one of those 20-somethings,and I hate my generation and its stupidity sometimes. I have been a salty old man since I was a child lol.

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Originally Posted by Squintina

I think they got a lot right.

Just the raid greed and the app premium isn't on-point.

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For me, these 2 things were enough to spoil the rest of the bunch. So...I want to be excited about something, but I'm not.

This is definitely a good change, though I will say it should have been implemented from the get go. How they ever thought destroying your glamour was a good idea is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

This is definitely a good change, though I will say it should have been implemented from the get go. How they ever thought destroying your glamour was a good idea is beyond me.

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its prob easier on coding or server or something, and hopped no one would complain about that shortcut? There is no way someone legit thought it was a good idea, def more to the story.

For the topic itself.. i doono hard to feel joy atm, I feel like they keep doing 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Unless they are giving us 30 plates and 400+? slots.. or heck a real glam log.. i really do not care much. It is also possible it is a bargaining strategy. Like say they can release content that is 100 value, but they release it at 20 value, then "upgrade" it to 40 value in hoping people be happy with the 40 value. If they are, they win at saving money, the other 60 value. There is no other reason why the glam dresser was released in pre-beta state, same with Eureka. So then it enters an acceptable loss concept, knowing this system is undershooting what it can be, they must have planned thresholds of x number of subs lost vs cost of making better systems. Should PR issues pass a select threshold or lose enough subs, they act then.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

Nobody outside can really say for sure, but there was a remarkable change where suddenly they had money for additional server capacity for houses and a plan of action for how to address the situation, none of which existed before.

To me, it looked a lot like the situation got the attention of a higher up at SE who asked "why are we getting this bad press and how can we fix it?" People talk a lot about budget issues, but when C-suite management wants a PR problem to go away, budgets can change real fast.

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This is why I can't stand white knighting anymore. I know what they are doing because I do it when trying to work out a price to buy or sell something. You do this as a protection, because you know they are going to counter different so you lowball in price offer / high when selling because you know you be talked into a different price. I do not think that is good when applied to game design. I feel like some kind of experiment in how little money they can get away with to fund this game with, just because most of the active users are ok with it, buying extra mog shop items. If it was not for "Playing for my friends thing" I would most likely quit long ago.. well in fact I am positive I wouldn't joined to begin with if it was not for the friendship concept. Now I am more or less playing because of a select few friends + sunken cost fallacy. It is interesting to me, I know what they are doing, self aware I am here because of that, and yet have problems pulling sub permanently till things get better. Lets hope I am successful this time around, since SE only understands money, not its players.

So no I am not happy with the change because I feel like they could of and should of did this from the get go, same with the full 4.3 notes, since in my view, they are under releasing what they can do, in hopes people are happy enough to save money. At some point it makes me wonder why they do not treat us like people and view us as a source of trying get as much money as possible from. Where I live, if a company messes up, they give some kind of compensation/ deal making, where SE is like, don't like it, unsub then.

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