Remove Protean Crystal Requirement for First Quest

Title says it all.

Eureka could be so much better if the content wasn't gated before the 1st protean crystal, I''ve grinded up to elemental level 10 and haven't gotten any.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by HV01

Title says it all.

Eureka could be so much better if the content wasn't gated before the 1st protean crystal, I''ve grinded up to elemental level 10 and haven't gotten any.

Thank you.

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There's something wrong if you haven't gotten any crystals by lvl 10, have you been doing chains solo/party or were you with a party doing the NMs? Do you have any Anemos crystals?

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Originally Posted by Shouko

There's something wrong if you haven't gotten any crystals by lvl 10, have you been doing chains solo/party or were you with a party doing the NMs? Do you have any Anemos crystals?

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Even if they had Anemos crystals, I don't think you can trade them until doing that first quest. That opens up another quest to talk to Gerolt, who exchanges them. So I don't know what the OP is doing. Probably just following NM trains around.

You just fight enemies at your level or higher, generating a chain bonus which makes protean acquisition more likely. At starting level we got our first protean right away at Squib Sands. Since you are level 10, just solo a chain of lv10 enemies like Val Bears or something until a protean pops.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Even if they had Anemos crystals, I don't think you can trade them until doing that first quest. That opens up another quest to talk to Gerolt, who exchanges them. So I don't know what the OP is doing. Probably just following NM trains around.

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I did grind up to lvl 4 with Mobs, I after that I figured that maybe if I did fates (NMs) I would get some, but I still havent gotten one. I found out too late that the best way to do it is to push the chain to 30. Unfortunately, the mobs my level are too strong for me to take with 1 Magica (as the rest are gated trough the 1st quest) so my only recourse here is follow the train until they get to a low level NM and pull as many monsters as I can to the train so the zerg kills them while everyone is synced.

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Originally Posted by Shouko

Do you have any Anemos crystals?

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Anemos to protean conversion is locked behind the quest that the OP is talking about.

I think they should just change the quest to requiring one protean -or- one anemos crystal.

Just like the Level 3, 5, 13, and 17 quests typically go, the fault lies on the player. You didn't read how to obtain it when the game told you, nor did you look it up it seems. I got my first Protean Crystal when I was level 1, solo chaining mobs right outside the gate. I believe it was somewhere in the 20's during my chain. Either way this is a non-issue compared to all the other massive ones that Eureka has.

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Originally Posted by Ayirez

Just like the Level 3, 5, 13, and 17 quests typically go, the fault lies on the player. You didn't read how to obtain it when the game told you, nor did you look it up it seems.

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From what I remember, the game just tells you to kill stuff. Not exactly much to read.

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Originally Posted by Ayirez

I got my first Protean Crystal when I was level 1, solo chaining mobs right outside the gate. I believe it was somewhere in the 20's during my chain.

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Good for you. I had multiple chains in the 20s when I did the first few levels, and didn't get any. After that, I started running NMs with friends, and got to lvl 10. Even then, it took a few chains in the high 20s for me to get one.

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Originally Posted by Ayirez

Either way this is a non-issue compared to all the other massive ones that Eureka has.

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Just because it's a small issue, doesn't make it a non-issue. It's easy for them to fix it by allowing a player to show an anemos crystal instead of a protean one.

I get very few prot crystals and lots of anemos due to multiple groups in the train getting chain credit when they get first hit. As I recall, I got my quest crystal soloing pretty quick so I'd question that also. The idiotic quest guide response that got me was the one that said "ask other players". Really?

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

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That's exactly why it's a non-issue, because the fix is that ridiculously simple. Additionally, the reason it's a non-issue is because it doesn't seem to happen to that many players, only the rather unlucky ones. Either way I do agree that it either shouldn't be a requirement or that they allow players to turn in Anemos Crystals to obtain them prior to the quest completion.

It legit takes one, there is no way u haven't gotten one in 10 lvls, since the hotfix I even get 5-10 each mob group on the train while trying to spawn the NM

The only way to have not received one protean crystal by 10 is by killing mobs far higher than you, making crystal drops impossible. The fate train makes this happen regularly. As high as lv 10 w/o the drop though, almost half the enemies FT kills are capable of dropping loot. Only way i could see you with zero protean is only partaking in ridiculously high NM's, or simply being AFK in all NM's AND everyone else in your pty also not participating. Other option? Your inventory has been full. If thats the case... Im frankly laughing at you.

Fate train does NM's as low as emperor on a regular basis and on occasion will even visit lower from time to time. Look for them to chain mobs slightly higher than you. Typhoon elemental would be great at level 10. Join a party with a tank, tag mobs with him, and chain. I have never seen mob not drop 1 crystal in a 30 chain before, but it certainly wouldnt happen with mobs at that level.

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Originally Posted by HV01

Title says it all.

Eureka could be so much better if the content wasn't gated before the 1st protean crystal, I''ve grinded up to elemental level 10 and haven't gotten any.

Thank you.

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It's called a tutorial, you get them large crystals from NM fates and smaller ones from chains if mobs are equal or greater level than you. If you have reached level 10, have not gotten one then that means two things.

First; your probably not looking at your inventory if you have done some fates you should of gotten at least one.

Two; you skipped the dialog, your anti social and have not asked for help.

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Originally Posted by Falling

Only way i could see you with zero protean is only partaking in ridiculously high NM's, or simply being AFK in all NM's AND everyone else in your pty also not participating.

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Or, y'know, they could be grouped up with players that are far higher in level, who also participate in the mob killing (which is often the case with NM train groups)
It's not just exp that's greatly affected by lvl differences, but loot drops as well. I didn't start getting protean crystals randomly from mobs, while in a NM group, until I got closer to 20.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

First; your probably not looking at your inventory if you have done some fates you should of gotten at least one.

Two; you skipped the dialog, your anti social and have not asked for help.

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I soloed up to lvl 3, didn't get any protean crystals, and then jumped onto the NM train with a few friends and got to lvl 10

Sure, it got me plenty of Anemos crystals, but those are completely useless at that point, since the option to convert them doesn't unlock until after you've shown a protean crystal to Krile.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Or, y'know, they could be grouped up with players that are far higher in level, who also participate in the mob killing (which is often the case with NM train groups)
It's not just exp that's greatly affected by lvl differences, but loot drops as well. I didn't start getting protean crystals randomly from mobs, while in a NM party, until I was closer to lvl 20.

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Fair point, still is 100% in their court though. Pair up with similar leveled people. Use player search to make it happen.

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Originally Posted by Falling

Fair point, still is 100% in their court though. Pair up with similar leveled people. Use player search to make it happen.

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Or they could just allow players to show an Anemos crystal to Krile instead.

I mean, the quest is about keeping Rowena happy and showing a crystal that could potentially be sold for a lot. Why wouldn't she prefer a crystal that's actually worth more (since an anemos crystal can be converted to 2-5 protean crystals)?

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

I soloed up to lvl 3, didn't get any protean crystals, and then jumped onto the NM train with a few friends and got to lvl 10

Sure, it got me plenty of Anemos crystals, but those are completely useless at that point, since the option to convert them doesn't unlock until after you've shown a protean crystal to Krile.

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Hmmm kind of odd first 3 levels I had around 35 if the smaller crystals, i was doing consecutive chains and was well geared, and mobs 1-2 levels above mind made them drop faster, was risky though. So unless you were not making chains I can believe that reason. Did you at any point make it to chain 30? those were usually guarantee 1-10 if solo, 5-15 in duo. Only other reason I could see is that you are just plain unlucky with RNG.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

Hmmm kind of odd first 3 levels I had around 35 if the smaller crystals, i was doing consecutive chains and was well geared, and mobs 1-2 levels above mind made them drop faster, was risky though. So unless you were not making chains I can believe that reason. Did you at any point make it to chain 30? those were usually guarantee 1-10 if solo, 5-15 in duo. Only other reason I could see is that you are just plain unlucky with RNG.

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I had at least two chains close to 30, soloing equal level mobs as a squishy RDM. I had vercure taking up dps time, which eventually caused me to drop both chains before reaching 30. This was before the knowledge of the eurekan potion being really strong for soloing, which is what eventually allowed me to still get a few high chains at lvl 10, while missing magicite.

Yeah, as others have said, I would kill enemies your level or higher, maybe with a group if needed. I entered Eureka when the servers went live, found myself a group and everyone had their crystal in like, 5-10 minutes. I had mine in 3.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Even if they had Anemos crystals, I don't think you can trade them until doing that first quest. That opens up another quest to talk to Gerolt, who exchanges them. So I don't know what the OP is doing. Probably just following NM trains around.

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Right but even with the train as long as you even get bronze you still get anemos crystals, hence why I was asking if they were getting any at all, if they weren't getting anemos I would assume it to be a bug because there's no way you can get to lvl 10 without getting at least 1 anemos, even then it's pretty hard to get to 10 without getting chains or getting a few golds on the fate.

The reason the quest is asking for a protean and not an Anemos crystal is because the game expects you to find a protean first. I remember going out, killing a squiby boi and getting a crystal. Since the hotfix protean crystals are pretty easy to get, I suggest leaving the train for half an hour and soloing something a lvl below or at ur lvl for 20-30minutes.

same here, I'm level 10 now, still don't have a Protean Crystal...

Protip; Getting a 30 chain is a guaranteed Protean Crystal drop. Just a heads up for all you guys who apparently can't get one.

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Originally Posted by HV01

so my only recourse here is follow the train until they get to a low level NM and pull as many monsters as I can to the train so the zerg kills them while everyone is synced.

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PSA: Don't do this. Most of the time they'll ignore adds, and it'll cause a wipe. If you miss out on the Protean crystal at the start, just level with the train until about level 16/17. You'll start getting Protean drops while killing mobs to spawn NMs at that point.

On my alt, I solo'd up to lvl 7, chaining mobs my lvl, then started joining pts, and would go in and solo here and there on my own when bored to try and grind out a crystal. Never got a drop so I gave up and just trained it til I got one randomly at lvl 16.

The good thing is the quests are virtually worthless til 17 when you get the mount and are completed super fast. So there is no real need to stay on top of them outside the fact that you will have thousands of boxes to turn in 1 at a time thanks to a poorly thought out design.

Firstly, when I beginning grind in Eureka, I've do solo for fun and get some Protein Drop at Lv.1, somehow I can pass First quest without knowing. But today, when I help my friend to leveling and got this problem is so annoying, I hope be able to vote for remove this crap. =.=

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Originally Posted by AoiTsunami

Firstly, when I beginning grind in Eureka, I've do solo for fun and get some Protein Drop at Lv.1, somehow I can pass First quest without knowing. But today, when I help my friend to leveling and got this problem is so annoying, I hope be able to vote for remove this crap. =.=

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I'm guessing you're well past lvl 1 at this point and your friend is probably also not getting exp from the method u got ur first. The one issue with eureka is there is no party lvl sync to help ur friends lvl which is a bummer. My suggestion is to leave the party and not attack the mobs they are attacking rather heal them when they get low health as I'm 99% sure that doesn't give u credit for attacking the mob. It's a crappy way of doing it but it's the only way I know of to help ur lvl 1 friends.

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Originally Posted by Pastahnak

I'm guessing you're well past lvl 1 at this point and your friend is probably also not getting exp from the method u got ur first. The one issue with eureka is there is no party lvl sync to help ur friends lvl which is a bummer. My suggestion is to leave the party and not attack the mobs they are attacking rather heal them when they get low health as I'm 99% sure that doesn't give u credit for attacking the mob. It's a crappy way of doing it but it's the only way I know of to help ur lvl 1 friends.

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Yes, I did it. Luckly, we're figured out this soon and stop him at Lv.5, It's still not much trouble. :)

I would support removing the Protean Crystal requirement to start the quests. I mean, seriously, locking EVERYTHING behind a rare drop is just stupid. Can't get magicite, can't trade anemos crystals in, can't do ANything until you get that rare drop.

It took me until LEVEL 5 to get mine, and I got most of that by grinding on mobs.

And people say "get Chain 30 and it's guaranteed!" like that's an easy thing to get to Chain 30 lol. Two friends and I could barely do chain 20.

And there's no real mechanics reason why everything needs to be locked behind the crystal either, TBH. Removing the requirement wouldn't change much, other than people not getting stuck on the stupid thing.

Regardless of everyone talking about the chain drops, The OP has said multiple times that they HAVE been chain killing. After not getting anything they tried to go on the NM train to get one then found out the truth too late. The drop is still rare and some people have trouble maintaining the chain to 30 at level 1-5. I'm only alt right now trying to get my first and after several strings of chains, I'm level 6 and not one crystal has dropped for me wheras on my main, I got it on my 3rd or 4th squib on launch day. It being based on luck and the level of the enemies that will get ridiculously stronger against your measley one whole Magian stack is kind of annoying. Particularly when you want to get a chain party, are shouting for a chain party and there is no one willing to join your chain party because they're AFKing on the NM train. Either axe the protean requirement or make it a 100% drop off your first mob when you have the quest active. Not that hard to adjust.

Outside of dungeons/roulettes, I play solo... and I usually play a healer. I am not a good dps player. I've managed to solo grind my way to elemental level 8... still no protean. I don't bother keeping track of the chains but I do know they drop from time to time. Sure I can admit the reason I don't have my first crystal yet is my own fault... but its also the fault of how the content is designed. I just really don't like it and get bored with it really quickly. I've only done Eureka in short spurts when I can stomach it. And the fact that I have to use a phrase like "when I can stomach it" really says to me that there's something wrong with how the content is designed.

I'd be less concerned about Eureka if the relic wasn't gated behind it. If not for the relic I would just chalk Eureka up as "not for me" content and ignore it. But if I want the relic... and I do... I have no choice but to "stomach" it. I joined the train ONCE... because someone invited me... and it was an awful experience. My low elemental level left me all but useless outside of being a res bot, everything one shot me, and the xp gains were abysmally low. I had little to show for the time and unpleasant experience.

I don't like Eureka's design. My only hope I guess is that eventually they make adjustments like they tend to do to ease early parts of the relic quest. But if the whole relic advancement is tied to Eureka I'm not sure I can bring myself to complete it. I just don't like this style of content and tying something as relevant as the relic to it really sucks for me.