Eureka already declining

So I have noticed that people are bailing once they get those pazuzu kills and its really empting out the instances pretty fast. Thought a bit late now could be something to look into the future.

Some kind of lockout, something like a 5-10min after leaving or time is up.

Spreading things out a bit more like having several bosses carry key components rather than the 1.

Possibly removing things like crystal/lootboxes from primary bosses, so like pazuzu only dropping feathers while crystals and lootboxes come from the other fates.

Could use other activities to do in there as well, having its own version of daily/weekly hunts for example could do well there, rewards/achievements.

Definitely going to need something to keep those instances alive later on for those that are just starting out in eureka, feel like they'll struggle severely if things are kept as is. So curious what other ideas could possible help improve things for eureka and its future?

Assuming that Eureka scales the spawn requirements and FATE difficulty to the number of players in the instance (as it supposedly does), it might be OK to have smaller Eureka instances.

Nah, it's literally unfixable. They screwed up big time, and now it's too late to fix.

The only way they could fix it, is if they make the necessary changes to make parties of 8 viable. As of right now, they are not. Grinding monsters over and over again is NOT a viable way to level - it's just a waste of time. The only reason it's alright to do for the time being, is because of the train doing NM spawns. Once that goes away, and all you're left with is the grind, everyone under level 10 will be officially screwed.

Now as to why they won't do this - players who got to 20 will complain about how it's "unfair" that they had to go through the grind. They can't risk this backlash. They'd much rather deal with the players complaining about how Eureka now takes too long to do, and settle with it being another dead content in the game.

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Originally Posted by Avenger

Assuming that Eureka scales the spawn requirements and FATE difficulty to the number of players in the instance (as it supposedly does), it might be OK to have smaller Eureka instances.

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The last time I went into an Eureka instance, 90% of the players were level 19. What probably needs to happen (if it's not doing this already) is to break instances into "entered at level 1" , "entered at level 5", "entered at level 13", "entered at level 18" , etc. I'm not sure where the best way to "shard" things off with would be, but it's really unfair to enter an instance at level 4 and there being less than 4 people in the instance under level 5.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

it's really unfair to enter an instance at level 4 and there being less than 4 people in the instance under level 5.

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Another reason why they fucked up. The monsters that spawn the level 1 FATE are level 6. LEVEL 6! It's like a slap in the face, telling new players they have to literally grind their way through the first few levels until they're strong enough to spawn their own NMs. And even then, that's once every few hours. Have fun going back to the tedious, pointless grind after that.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

The only way they could fix it, is if they make the necessary changes to make parties of 8 viable. As of right now, they are not. Grinding monsters over and over again is NOT a viable way to level - it's just a waste of time.

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You clearly haven’t played the content, parties of 8 are extremely viable as they let you kill mobs higher then your level and killing mobs while still at a lower level is actually FASTER then the NM train. I tagged along with some lowbies, left their party and once in a while asked how much exp they were getting from the level 13 abraxises in the northern region. The level 7 of the group was getting 495 exp from a 28 chained kill. The tank was level 8 and getting around 450 at that point as well. Without the chain they gained around 200 exp per kill.

This was with 1 party of 8, everyone attuned correctly, the bard would pull another once one of the abraxises was low, and the healers spamming heals on the tank and cooldowns being used appropriately. After the tank hit 8 I no longer needed to help heal him. (Healing another parties tank doesent steal their exp.)

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

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What are you talking about man... my groups leveled by chaining mobs that spawned NMs then killing them the first two days. Parties of 8 people is perfectly viable. The NM zerg that goes on now is not necessary.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

What probably needs to happen (if it's not doing this already) is to break instances into "entered at level 1" , "entered at level 5", "entered at level 13", "entered at level 18" , etc.

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They're not doing this (you can see level 1s in the same instance as people shouting for Pazuzu) but they really should. It would almost eliminate the level gap, keeping it manageable. And chances are, even if you somehow managed to power through your level bracket, by the time you got there your 3 hours should be up and you'll have to requeue anyway.
The downside, of course, is the same reason why they haven't split the leveling roulette into 1-49, 51-59, and 61-70 - you're going to get a much lower average in each instance. Given how things are, however, I'm not sure it'll make that much of a negative impact.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

So I have noticed that people are bailing once they get those pazuzu kills and its really empting out the instances pretty fast. Thought a bit late now could be something to look into the future.

Some kind of lockout, something like a 5-10min after leaving or time is up.

Spreading things out a bit more like having several bosses carry key components rather than the 1.

Possibly removing things like crystal/lootboxes from primary bosses, so like pazuzu only dropping feathers while crystals and lootboxes come from the other fates.

Could use other activities to do in there as well, having its own version of daily/weekly hunts for example could do well there, rewards/achievements.

Definitely going to need something to keep those instances alive later on for those that are just starting out in eureka, feel like they'll struggle severely if things are kept as is. So curious what other ideas could possible help improve things for eureka and its future?

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Blasphemy ! How dare you say anything bad about Eureka !
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If the instance scales based on the number of people in there anyway, then smaller instances would be fine. We don't need 144 players. That just leads to technical problems that the team are fully aware of after hunts and Ixion and the like.

I would much rather have smaller instances where they prioritise stability. But that's a problem that seems to be fixing itself now.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

The last time I went into an Eureka instance, 90% of the players were level 19. What probably needs to happen (if it's not doing this already) is to break instances into "entered at level 1" , "entered at level 5", "entered at level 13", "entered at level 18" , etc. I'm not sure where the best way to "shard" things off with would be, but it's really unfair to enter an instance at level 4 and there being less than 4 people in the instance under level 5.

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One issue with that is if you wanted to play with your friend(s) who are a bit higher level you would be screwed. Yeah the level penalty already drops the exp, but you can at least still NM train with friends who are higher level and still get decent NM exp. Sounds good on paper but once the levels get really top heavy new players will just be alone in their own instance with barely enough players to form a train and potentially not enough roles to form a decent job comp to 8 man farm mobs. Higher level players can also more easily navigate the map and raise you if you die.

The difficulty of fates scales to the current players in it, so I guess it's OK, maybe even better.

If people only joins Eureka to kill Pazuzu, so be it I guess. Nothing stops the rest to farm all other NMs

Everytime I go just for pazuzu there are still a bunch of people high and low level still pushing the train and spawning NMs honestly I haven't seen this decline yet....

It will happen regardless. the relic is essentially handed to you this time around and I say many times the problem is that once you get what you want from eureka it's done for you.
Unless you fancy those NM as a mean to get your tomestones or some fun with friends.

However if the reports of NM scaling with number of ppl present in the zone I'd say that's a very good thing since that means we now have that tech finally and it can also be applied to FATES

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Originally Posted by Remedi

It will happen regardless. the relic is essentially handed to you this time around and I say many times the problem is that once you get what you want from eureka it's done for you.
Unless you fancy those NM as a mean to get your tomestones or some fun with friends.

However if the reports of NM scaling with number of ppl present in the zone I'd say that's a very good thing since that means we now have that tech finally and it can also be applied to FATES

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We've had this tech, FATEs have almost always synced to the number of players participating.

I find the title a little misleading as their is really no data to back it up, only personal experiences.

There are many folks out there still just starting Eureka and if an instance is literally dead since I am lvl19. I am hopping to a new instance that has Fafnir and higher in spawn window, chaining those mobs to pop them with a party of 4 or 8, as its optimal. When I re-queue, I rarely get into the same instances as before, unless it is literally non-peak hours. Each instance having a wide range of players 1 - 20.

With the content only a week old and no adjustments yet with a hotfix, it is just assumption at this time and SE has all the data... Players will definitely drop Eureka once they have what they want. However, with the ease and accessibility of this content compared to previous Relics, I am hearing more and more players wanting to do other job upgrades on alts than deal with the Tome limits on Mendacity.

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Originally Posted by Soupa

We've had this tech, FATEs have almost always synced to the number of players participating.

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No actual FATE tech takes in consideration the last completed or failed FATE for the calculation

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Originally Posted by Avenger

Assuming that Eureka scales the spawn requirements and FATE difficulty to the number of players in the instance (as it supposedly does), it might be OK to have smaller Eureka instances.

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it doesnt, it scales by proximity. The more people are close to it, the stronger the bosses become. I 8-manned simurgh in a 140 ppl instance within like 3 minutes because the fate train was somewhere else

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Now as to why they won't do this - players who got to 20 will complain about how it's "unfair" that they had to go through the grind. They can't risk this backlash. They'd much rather deal with the players complaining about how Eureka now takes too long to do, and settle with it being another dead content in the game.

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hwat? its actually better that the lvl20's get their relics and casually drop out of eureka as that means more average level players will fill the instances. And no lvl 20 is going to complain, lol. its hardly a grind when by the the time you get enough for 1 relic, you basically have enough for 3-4 others.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

hwat? its actually better that the lvl20's get their relics and casually drop out of eureka as that means more average level players will fill the instances. And no lvl 20 is going to complain, lol. its hardly a grind when by the the time you get enough for 1 relic, you basically have enough for 3-4 others.

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Killing trash mobs over and over again for experience is the very definition of a grind.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

Killing trash mobs over and over again for experience is the very definition of a grind.

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Would rather play Dynasty Warriors 9 lol

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

Killing trash mobs over and over again for experience is the very definition of a grind.

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of course its a grind, im saying "it's not that bad" to get 3 relic's first step done in a week. compared to previous relics, its not so bad.