Would you pay $50 to cross job glamour?

Like if SE sold an item on Mogstation to have any job be able to be glamoured with any other job's gear...

Just curious :o

They should lock the option behind a £300 statue...

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no. Restricting glams to jobs is one of the things about this game I dislike.

And the argument of "oh, it's lore!" is weak considering we have bikini clad tanks wearing chocobo mascot masks.

The glamour system should be reworked and any item placed in the dresser should become a level 1 jobless glam.

AF's need to be locked. I don't want to see a WAR wearing a WHM's AF or viceversa. Screw the lore, it's about a job's appearance.

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Originally Posted by illgot

no. Restricting glams to jobs is one of the things about this game I dislike.

And the argument of "oh, it's lore!" is weak considering we have bikini clad tanks wearing chocobo mascot masks.

The glamour system should be reworked and any item placed in the dresser should become a level 1 jobless glam.

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I keep seeing this touted as the 'reason' why glamour class restrictions on armour should be removed and it is simply not true at all - swimwear is a classless costume that is by design meant to be worn regardless of what class or Job you happen to be. Artifact Armour (AF) on the other hand, is Job restricted for a reason, that is it's whole purpose, AF originated in FFXI, and the whole point of it both in FFXI and here in FFXIV is to allow the player to take on the traditional appearance of that Job from past FF games (such as WHM is a white robe with red triangles, DRG is purple draconic armour etc), which, if it could suddenly be worn by any Job, it wouldn't be depicting that Job's appearance now would it?

Think of that Job's AF as it's uniform so to speak. Like how with Grand Companies you can only wear that GC equipment if you're actually enlisted in it, same as AF can only be worn if you happen to be that Job. And I'm glad Yoshi has stuck to his guns with this.

Wearing a bikini as a tank is one thing, as that is just a costume that has no connection to that class or Job. AF is that Job. Hence, it is glamour restricted as a result. And SE will not be changing this (Yoshi made his feelings on that clear back in the Beta, he did not want to destroy each Job's image by allowing cross Job equipping or glamour for it). And I see no signs he has changed his mind on this I'm sorry to say.

Sure if it let me use my healers gear and relic gear on my red mage for glamour.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Artifact Armour (AF) on the other hand, is Job restricted for a reason, that is it's whole purpose, AF originated in FFXI, and the whole point of it both in FFXI and here in FFXIV is to allow the player to take on the traditional appearance of that Job from past FF games (such as WHM is a white robe with red triangles, DRG is purple draconic armour etc), which, if it could suddenly be worn by any Job, it wouldn't be depicting that Job's appearance now would it?

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To be fair, the person you quoted never mentioned that AF gear should be unlocked, just that the “it’s lore” argument is weak when you consider how they use it as reasoning behind why tanks can’t wear robes, or healers wear full-plate armor.

The only sets that should have job restricts are AF sets. Others should just be unlocked period. The devs destroyed any sense of “lore” with events like Yokai and the fact that tanks can tank mobs in bikinis (or in their small clothes), so lore is a pretty weak excuse.

Hell no, I refuse to pay 18 dollars for mog shop items, I'm not paying 50 for cross job glamour..I think if they did that it would piss a very large portion of the players off, enough to make a lot quit I suspect.

50$ for getting the devs to code one of the most demanded glam features into the game?

While you're at it OP, pls go back in time and request 50$ to pay for a glam dresser.

And then further back in time and request 50$ just to glam.

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Not entirely sure if asked in jest or not, but: absolutely not.

People need to stop giving SE cash shop ideas and give game content ideas. I'd gladly do a set of side quests to unlock the feature, perhaps have all of the Job quests NPCs be made to interact with each other in a storyline where they have to try out each other's jobs (make Sidurgu give Conjury a try. Please do it) and therefore be made to try the gear. Which leads to the WoL having to show everyone how to do it right.

But otherwise the artifact gear being job exclusive doesn't really bother me that much. Certainly not worth even $1 to unlock, let alone $50.

No. There's enough f2p garbage going on in a subscription game already.

No since it's something we shouldn't have to pay for in the first place, we pay monthly to play this game and its content. People seem to keep forgetting that fact lol.

I hate the whole idea of it. Bikinis require no class while worn for a reason. It isn't even combat gear. The only job where it would make sense to use the gear of other jobs for glamour is ninja, but that alone doesn't make it worth it.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

No. There's enough f2p garbage going on in a subscription game already.

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F2P? I’m guessing you mean P2W, but level 1 glamours, rare dyes, old event items, and mounts aren’t really paying to win anything. It’s all vanity, and it won’t help you actually succeed in this game’s battle content.

No. I like gear being exclusive to each role or class. The Bikini Outfit Argument isn't solid reasoning for scrapping these restrictions btw.

I spend on a lot of silly things but even I would have to draw the line there. Cross role glamours should have been a thing a long time ago and I'm not gonna pay 50 bucks every time I want my healer to have a decent set of robes.

Secondly how would that even be implemented?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

F2P? I’m guessing you mean P2W, but level 1 glamours, rare dyes, old event items, and mounts aren’t really paying to win anything. It’s all vanity, and it won’t help you actually succeed in this game’s battle content.

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That's still not an excuse to justify players paying real money for it though. Again we pay a sub for this game just because something is vanity doesn't mean we should have to pay more out of pocket, our subscriptions pay for the game content, and anything can be argued as content. Including vanity items. Also what the OP is suggesting is something that should obviously be more of a quest unlocked type of thing anyway.

Artifact gear is one thing, the overly tight restrictions on other types of gear is different. (Why can’t my mage equip those DoW-only knee-high boots instead of the thigh-high mage ones?)

Doubly so when low-level undyeable gear has a higher-level dyeable version that’s more class-restricted. Eg: the Novice/Acolyte and Battlemage robe designs, both equippable by all mage classes, but the designs reoccur as the Cashmere Robes of Healing/Casting respectively and can only be equipped by that subset of classes.

Also I’ve noticed that a number of NPCs get to ignore the class restrictions and equip combinations of gear that a player can’t.

I think a fair compromise would be to be able to equip anything you have leveled the correct class for, regardless of your current class. (Though I suspect this might be another one of those hard coded system issues in how it judges whether your glamour shows up or not. It’s potentially ‘all or nothing’ between the current system and zero restrictions.)

In any case, I wouldn’t be buying any unlock behind such a ridiculous paywall.

Nope. That's entirely too high a price for me for any addon feature, especially one that adds no actual functionality in the game.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

F2P? I’m guessing you mean P2W, but level 1 glamours, rare dyes, old event items, and mounts aren’t really paying to win anything. It’s all vanity, and it won’t help you actually succeed in this game’s battle content.

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That's an actual textbook strawman you've just made there. Bravo.

I said f2p and that's what I meant. I didn't mean something else that you'd prefer to attack. I meant the thing I said.

Nah, shoulda been a thing for all gear thats not artifact from the beginning.

May as well do it soon since you can already cheat the rules with a chunk of all class gear already in the game.

Now excuse me as I go wear full plate armor as a mage.

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In all seriousness. It's a feature that like all features, if we continue to politely ask for, it will likely become a reality one day. (Or perhaps some variation of the request, like the crafting sets suddenly being able to we worn by DoM/DoW)

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Originally Posted by Mizunoko

That's still not an excuse to justify players paying real money for it though. Again we pay a sub for this game just because something is vanity doesn't mean we should have to pay more out of pocket, our subscriptions pay for the game content, and anything can be argued as content. Including vanity items. Also what the OP is suggesting is something that should obviously be more of a quest unlocked type of thing anyway.

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Your subscription pays for you to access the servers. It doesn’t pay for anything considered premium or optional, which the cash shop items are all “premium” or “optional”. I already understand what the point of the post it, and noted my opinions on it on page one. I would not pay $50 for a feature to unlock gear to be used on all job types. I think everything save for AF gear should be unlocked because the locks are arbitrary, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

That's an actual textbook strawman you've just made there. Bravo.

I said f2p and that's what I meant. I didn't mean something else that you'd prefer to attack. I meant the thing I said.

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If you think that’s an attack, then I don’t even know what to tell you. I couldn’t follow your “f2p” (which is “free to play” and this game isn’t f2p) comment, hence why I thought you meant “p2w” (“pay to win”)—which is a frequent argument made against cash shop items, even though you don’t “win” anything by buying them.

The artifact gear should be the only armor unic on this game. But all other gears should be for everybody. Midas healer gear would be great on tanks. And maybe if you have that variations our casters could look cool like our tanks/dragoons and monks.

I would not pay them for something that should be readily available in game. People need to stop asking for crap like this to be put on the mogstation. It's too big as it is. It puts some f2p cash shops to shame. That said, I don't believe we need cross job AF sets. Certain crafting/gathering sets? Maybe. I wouldn't see the harm in that, nor some DoW and DoM sets.

No. I wouldn’t even pay 1$ because I personally don’t find the glamour restrictions to be an issue at all.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

That's an actual textbook strawman you've just made there. Bravo.

I said f2p and that's what I meant. I didn't mean something else that you'd prefer to attack. I meant the thing I said.

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Oh you mean that we are paying for additional content as if the game was f2p? Well... like HyoMin said your subscription fee only pays for your access to the server, not for premium or special items. And generally f2p games are essentially p2w, as in the things you pay for make your character better and more powerful. Or they help you skip unbearable grinds and such. Nothing in the Mog shop is even remotely close to useful outside glamour or emoting.

Keep your AF gear job locked but unlock all random dungeon gear and crafting gear for glams.

I think the crafting gear annoys me the most as an omni-crafter/gatherer. I can't use any of it without disabling the glams or using up all 10 plates just for crafting.

I'll pay exactly $0 because SUBS

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I'm not going to pay additional fees for functionality that ought to be baseline. The more reasons I'm given to do so, the more reasons I have to unsub.

Now, personally I'd have preferred a more 1.x-ish model in the first place, where gear sets simply get more restricted as you advance in armor classes, not as you descend, but come with their own stat advantages and disadvantages. If there's a bikini-clad tank option, I want that to be solely for an agile, evasive style of tanking from within that given job. If you're going to take hits like you're wearing thick plate mail, you need to be wearing some form of plate mail. I realize I'm in a minute minority, though.

That said, if there is to be no modicum of realism or effect-as-portrayed anyways, then I see no reason why anything other than artifact sets ought to be thus job-restricted. MNK/SAM, NIN, and DRG gear are frequently indistinct, and, in the few cases they are, still usually sufficiently realistic for the other classes' use and would thereby be enjoyable, different options.

Would I do it? Hell no. I'm not even paying for extra retainers.

Would whales do it? Hell yes. They're what the entire optional service line relies on.

Of course I wouldn't pay for this. It should be standard.

Also, somone on page one mentioned making anything you can put into the dresser become level 1 and jobless? Hell yes, that would make me actually use the bloody thing. Yeah yeah, artifact, I get it, just don't let AF armor go into the dresser in the first place, and don't let anything in the armoire be given that same treatment, just the dresser. Anything else though, should be fair game. Fair, level one, jobless game.

Nope. Not saying that I have never purchased anything for this game separate from the sub, but those have all just been glamour items. Not the ability to do anything. That is a slippery slope that I'd prefer us not going any farther down regardless of it being solely for glamour or not. The leveling potions on the cash shop are slippery enough, so let's just leave it at that and not start asking SE to charge us extra for the ability to glamour more effectively.

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Originally Posted by AncientCrystal

Like if SE sold an item on Mogstation to have any job be able to be glamoured with any other job's gear...

Just curious :o

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No.
10char.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Artifact Armour (AF) on the other hand, is Job restricted for a reason, that is it's whole purpose, AF originated in FFXI, and the whole point of it both in FFXI and here in FFXIV is to allow the player to take on the traditional appearance of that Job from past FF games (such as WHM is a white robe with red triangles, DRG is purple draconic armour etc), which, if it could suddenly be worn by any Job, it wouldn't be depicting that Job's appearance now would it?

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Just as an update, XI allows cross-job glamouring (including AF). Here is my THF wearing WHM AF for example:

https://i.imgur.com/Dbm2pNx.png

XIV is all about fan service at this point, and so I think cross-job glamouring will become a thing eventually. They're probably waiting for when their potato servers can handle it :P


To answer the question of OP though, I don't know if I'd pay for it. At least I'd hope I wouldn't pay for it as I feel they are nickle and dimeing this game to death as it is. I really, really hope cross-job glamouring becomes a thing. It's a pointless restriction in my opinion and should be included included in game for free.

The glamour cross the same disciple jobs should be available.

I want to wear few pieces of the DRG armour because they look cool but i cant as DRK, it should be available for the same disciple.

I just want the cute scholar bottoms, the skirt and knee socks, available for a non-healing class.

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Originally Posted by Matrinka

I just want the cute scholar bottoms, the skirt and knee socks, available for a non-healing class.

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Thats a part of the rewards that comes of playing healer. :P