"Guys we can't fix this ever. We added wards and prevented it, but it is a failure"

"Hey guys. We should have made it into instance from the start. Then this exploit from people buying multiple accounts with multiple FCs to purchase entire ward wouldn't have happened for 4.2. In fact, we shouldn't have made this happen from 2.0-2.1 to 2.3-4.1. This was indeed our fault. Really.

Now you will have to deal with no instances in housings ever again, with no equal satisfaction for everyone to have their own houses.

You are welcome.
Square Enix"

Is how I read about housing system even past 4.2 from the devs.

Honestly at this point unless they do a complete overwhaul i think you who dont got a house just gonna have to accept the fact you either have to make a small FC or buy a FC with a house. I know it not allowed but its what its coming down to if everyone gonna get houses.

The theory about that "It's not allowed" is no longer existing after what Ragnarok world players did lol. It was more of "you can still do this! You can't stop us!"

In fact, with an FC house it's even easier to sell it. The people who bought up multiple private houses can't really sell them to anyone now, with the randomized down time before a plot becomes available. An FC can be transferred to a new leader very easily. So if SE's intention was to somehow prevent the purchase of multiple houses to reduce reselling... they failed pretty hard.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

In fact, with an FC house it's even easier to sell it. The people who bought up multiple private houses can't really sell them to anyone now, with the randomized down time before a plot becomes available. An FC can be transferred to a new leader very easily. So if SE's intention was to somehow prevent the purchase of multiple houses to reduce reselling... they failed pretty hard.

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I would like to see if you can do any better.
There will always be people are taking advantage of an established system.
I would like to see anyone can come up a perfect system.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I would like to see if you can do any better.
There will always be people are taking advantage of an established system.
I would like to see anyone can come up a perfect system.

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Only if they did separate instance version from day one lol.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I would like to see if you can do any better.
There will always be people are taking advantage of an established system.
I would like to see anyone can come up a perfect system.

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We know there's a perfect system. It's instanced housing. Almost every other MMO with housing uses it.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

We know there's a perfect system. It's instanced housing. Almost every other MMO with housing uses it.

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#SquareEnixStillHaventFiguredOutHowSince2013

Like literally. It's like they are trying so hard to make a community but it is creating more segregation and hostility.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I would like to see if you can do any better.
There will always be people are taking advantage of an established system.
I would like to see anyone can come up a perfect system.

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SE can't even clearly decide what they want housing to be. If they provide a limited number and not everyone playing will be able to get one then it means housing is a commodity and needs to be treated as such. In which case they need to embrace it and allow and facilitate the trading of plots and houses. If this is the case then housing should be purely cosmetic, there should be no personal benefit to owning a house, which means the npcs that sell materials, the airships/submarins and chocobo stables need to be separated from housing.

The people with WAAAAAAAAAY too much money might buy a few houses at first but then what? they won't get anything out of it except more money if they sell, which they don't need leaving it to be available for the people who want it purely for the joy of owning and decorating their own home. Yeah some people will still buy and sell land trying to make money but it won't be the super rich who have nothing to do with their stupid amounts of gil.

Conversely if they want housing to be rewarding in some fashion beyond aesthetics they need to make it instanced and available for everyone, then gate the usefulness in some fashion, either in time spent or gil spent. The super rich people will have an advantage but not an insurmountable one and eventually everyone can get to even footing if they care to.

What I would do is make FC housing instance based. Every FC can have a house it's just gated behind paying/working for the luxury and usefulness. Then make private housing purely cosmetic and make it a tradeable commodity.

Its not about just adding more houses but the kind of houses people actually want. Its not a coincidence that that the Goblet is the most empty ward and theres tons of smalls left even though alot of FCs are still saying they want houses. Seems like the priority for alot of people is Large>Shirogane>medium. People don't seem to want to settle for a small plot and current house owners had plenty of time to save up gil for upgrading to med/large. Only having 6 Larges per ward seems like another mistake on top the pile that is the whole housing system.

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Originally Posted by Nama

house owners had plenty of time to save up gil for upgrading to med/large. Only having 6 Larges per ward seems like another mistake on top the pile that is the whole housing system.

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So with that said yes moratorium isnt quite cool

While I do believe Goblet is cool to its own design, but if I had to choose between the 4, I'd choose Shirogane then Mist then LB then Goblet. That's just me.

And before anyone tells me that "Goblet is available, you should be thankful." No. I shouldn't be thankful. I should choose to go to the housing I want, and the size I want and the location I want. I should not fight with other players over a place from the first place and make a drama.

This whole ward thing has been nothing but create an unwanted drama and break of a community between players with pointless capitalism. Why is this minor content even considered some competition first of all?

Housing should be a fun feature. Actually it's a fight between players, they should add a new PVP content in the housing areas.....

People waste some vacations for nothing for added wards, waste their time during hours by hoping they will be on the first players connected for having a chance to get a house in a game...seriously? There is no problem about that?

There are tons of empty houses, people buy some just for selling it money money money /vomit or just for having one but don't use it.

SE want to keep the fact to have some neightbors, honestly most of the time, wards look like ghost cities so what the point? I would prefer to have instancied houses connected to a common place if people want to roleplay or something instead of fighting and hoping for nothing patch after patch.

Everyone is upset and just want to kill his neightbors for getting their house XD

And seriously why SE built specific land sizes? The player should be able to buy a plot and build the house of his choice depending of his money, we should be able to expand the house by spending Gils day after day and getting a big house with time.

So much potential but totally wasted.

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Housing should be a fun feature. Actually it's a fight between players, they should add a new PVP content in the housing areas.....

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Not long after I got my house (so my thoughts were occupied largely with decorating it in the game) I had a dream that SE decided to make it so that you could challenge anyone that owned a house to an undeclinable duel and whoever won got the house. It was really awful.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I would like to see if you can do any better.
There will always be people are taking advantage of an established system.
I would like to see anyone can come up a perfect system.

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I played Black Desert for like a week and owned a home in each of the main cities. I can move my home to pretty much any building I like the look of with just a few clicks (although obviously I have to manually reposition any furniture), or just move back again if I change my mind. Any other available building I'm not using as a home I can use instead for extra vault storage, production factories, ranches for extra mount slots, among other things. They are instanced, so I can choose whichever building I want even if a hundred other players live there. I own so much property that it's difficult to keep track of it all. All of my characters have full shared access to them. Did I mention I only played it for about a week?

Yeah, ESO did it right, imo. Instanced houses in various places around the world of different sizes. This let the houses be part of the game world itself while not restricting players. Bonus points for the fact that they could be bought with gold or real money, giving them a nice influx of cash as well. You'd think that would be right up SE's alley, but I guess they're pitting the cost of having to rebuild everything vs how much they'd make.

Plus, after all this time, they're just in way too deep. Not to mention how stubborn the developers are. Getting them to admit they made a mistake is nearly impossible.

Just bot like those ragna vets and u will jave no problems hhhh

SE really should have prevented personal relocation, if their intention is to let FCs have access to new plots first.
But as usual they choose to half-bake their implementation. Always scoring a B- instead of an A+ sigh.

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Originally Posted by Mirch

Just bot like those ragna vets and u will jave no problems hhhh

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What do they need to bot? You want to be snarky, tell me what are they botting? They own that many houses so they can run airships and subs.

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Originally Posted by Yuumei

SE really should have prevented personal relocation, if their intention is to let FCs have access to new plots first.
But as usual they choose to half-bake their implementation. Always scoring a B- instead of an A+ sigh.

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There are tons of open plots on every server that any FC can go and buy right now. What is the problem?

Nearly six hours after I relocated there were still truck load of smalls and mediums and yes larges too (not in Shirogane and Mist but saw some available in Goblet and Lavender Beds before I logged out last night.).

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Originally Posted by Reyn

There are tons of open plots on every server that any FC can go and buy right now. What is the problem?

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I am simply remarking on SE's attitude.
They seem to have a problem with implementing their own vision, always deciding to turn back halfway or deciding to go both directions at once, therefore always coming up short of realizing their objective 100%.

As for this patch's housing wards allocation, its a done thing already.
Should SE decide to flip flop tomorrow and do something ridiculous like reverse all purchases and "fix" the relocation (no please), i will be the first to loudly protest it.

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Originally Posted by Yuumei

I am simply remarking on SE's attitude.
They seem to have a problem with implementing their own vision, always deciding to turn back halfway or deciding to go both directions at once, therefore always coming up short of realizing their objective 100%.

As for this patch's housing wards allocation, its a done thing already.
Should SE decide to flip flop tomorrow and do something ridiculous like reverse all purchases and "fix" the relocation (no please), i will be the first to loudly protest it.

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SE confuses me as well.