Glamour Plates

Now, completely ignoring the whole part about "Limited storage space AND they destroy your items" being a terrible idea for a moment.

Here's how they should work when applying them to your gear.
Equip Plate 1 while PLD, save gear.
Equip Plate 2 while DRK, save gear.
Switching to PLD displays Plate 1
Switching back to DRK displays Plate 2
Now you can be Lightning while a PLD and Cloud when a DRK and you can do it on the fly, while sharing the same gear between the two. Go fanboy it up.
Simple. Easy. Convenient. Makes sense and is not annoying.

Here's how they actually work.
Equip Plate 1 While PLD, save gear.
Equip Plate 2 while DRK, save gear.
Switch to PLD, and you're still wearing Plate 2. Realize that they are literally just overwriting your glamour on the same shared gear over and over, completely defeating the point of any of this. Go back to town every time you want your PLD to look like Lightning and your DRK to look like Cloud. You loser.
This is bad and lame.

A glamour plate should be a completely separate entity that shouldn't project over the gear you have equipped like a normal glamour. It should become a single "Item" with it's own unique slot on the paper doll that simply ignores all of your gear in favor of the projected appearance of the plate.

I agree that it's a serious let down.

On the bright side though, they have talked about tying glamour plates to gear sets in a future update. I can only hope that they also remove the "Must be in a major city" restriction then too.
Would've been nice to have had such things ironed out from the get-go, but I think we're all used to that not being how things work by now...

except the lightning and cloud outfits cant be used on the plate

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Originally Posted by liliths

except the lightning and cloud outfits cant be used on the plate

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Yes they can.

Lol this system keeps getting worst. Guess it will mostly be used for storage

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Originally Posted by -Teria-

Yes they can.

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i cant add either one of those outfits to a plate it only accepts whats in the dresser

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Originally Posted by liliths

i cant add either one of those outfits to a plate it only accepts whats in the dresser

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Make sure they're in your armoire.
There's a button on the glamour dresser that allows it to switch to armoire view and pick things from it.

So let me understand this...I haven't logged in yet to try it out.
I have a gear set for all my jobs currently and all assigned with my current glam. That's good. if I go Pld I get my Pld Glam, if I change to ninja I get my ninja glam. That's fine.
If I use glamour plates, I will change to Ninja from Pld and still have my pld glam on? How would that work if it's role specific gear (Sabotons for example)?
Does it mean that every time I change job I need to return to a city, go to an Inn and equip the plate I want for that Job? If so I'll be back and forward from cities non stop.
Think I'll stick to current method if I can. Glam and save as gear sets. seems to be less hassle even if it means taking up Armory chest space.

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Originally Posted by Rhus

So let me understand this...I haven't logged in yet to try it out.
I have a gear set for all my jobs currently and all assigned with my current glam. That's good. if I go Pld I get my Pld Glam, if I change to ninja I get my ninja glam. That's fine.
If I use glamour plates, I will change to Ninja from Pld and still have my pld glam on? How would that work if it's role specific gear (Sabotons for example)?
Does it mean that every time I change job I need to return to a city, go to an Inn and equip the plate I want for that Job? If so I'll be back and forward from cities non stop.
Think I'll stick to current method if I can. Glam and save as gear sets. seems to be less hassle even if it means taking up Armory chest space.

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Basically, it functions exactly the same as the prism system. So if you equip a Plate while wearing the Augmented Lost Allagan Surcoat of Fending, every job that can wear that piece will now have the same outfit. If you want three unique glamours for your tanks, you'll need to use three plates. That might have worked... if they didn't restrict it to ten damn slots.

Nah. It's sorta basically like the normal glamour with extra steps. The plates apply glamours to your items (without using extra crystals). It's not gear-set specific is the thing.

So you apply a glamour plate, and it glamours whatever items you were wearing at the time. If any other job/set uses the same equipment, it also gets hit with those same glamours.

Once they tie plates to sets, it might be a little better. But still likely some awkward problems.

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Originally Posted by Rhus

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No no.
The real issue is classes with shared gear.
If you have PLD, WAR, and DRK for example, odds are they're all using the exact same gear set.
If you want a separate glam for PLD, WAR, and DRK, it needs to be done in town every time.
Because all the plates do is overwrite the glamour on specific gear items. It doesn't allow you to have separate glams for those three classes without going back to town and changing the plate every single time.
This is dumb, and basically just a fancier version of what we had before, only somehow more inconvenient despite using less overall prisms.
This system is not an upgrade. It's a sidegrade. Because while it does allow you to swap glamours quicker, it's still a deeply flawed system that's not even a day old and already needs an overhaul.

At least let us change it wherever we are. I see no reason to prevent us from casting them outside of major cities when we've been able to reapply glamour to new items on the spot in dungeons and raids since glamour was introduced.

Basically the glamour plates aren't in any way assigned to a gear set. When you apply them, it glamours all of your items in accordance with the plate. This means that if you put a poncho in your plate and apply it to your Chromite Armor of Fending, it'll have functioned as if you used the regular glamour system to do it, and you can unequip and re-equip it with the same glamour in tact, or modify the glamour plate with the glamour in tact.

This means you have to apply it each time you change equipment. It basically means you put it in this system to glamour it for free for life.

So you need a plate for every job and currently have 10 / 26 spaces allowed...for 1 plate per job AND it gets destroyed when stuck in the dresser. Cool. Thanks but no thanks I guess :)

There is one perk to this system, which is making things a little easier when you upgrade your gear. Changed equipment? Just reapply your plate to get your glamour back (with no crystal cost even).

Ironically it means that you don't have to worry about retainers using this system, since you can just equip what you want them to equip, and then apply your desired glamour for your retainer, and then equip your retainer with the newly glamoured equipment.

Hopefully they'll expand the system to squadrons soon, though.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

There is one perk to this system, which is making things a little easier when you upgrade your gear. Changed equipment? Just reapply your plate to get your glamour back (with no crystal cost even).

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It is certainly more convenient and cost-effective in the long run as a replacement for glamour prisms, but I'd say it's a safe bet that it's not what anyone was expecting, nor what they wanted.
So we'll just keep offering up our complaints, and hope that they improve the system to make it more like what we were hoping for sooner rather than later. More plates, tying it more smoothly into Gear Sets... these are things that the devs have said they plan to do with the system, and while I cannot fathom why they were unable to make it so on-implementation, I can only hope that we're not waiting terribly long for them to do so.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

There is one perk to this system, which is making things a little easier when you upgrade your gear. Changed equipment? Just reapply your plate to get your glamour back (with no crystal cost even).

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This is true. So if you get new gear you don't have to go buy prisms any more and go through that hassle of cast glamour, find glam item, equip glamour using your prism you just bought/crafted. So will make it quicker as you say to reglamour your gear.
Well I think I understand it. Will give it a shot when I can log in and see if I can get to grips with It. Will trial it with some low level stuff I don't mind destroying first though before using any of my prized possessions

I'm just chalking it up to a sort of beta test, see how the system handles the load or whatever. Once they've seen what it can handle, they'll have a better idea of how much they can implement.

It's a hope, anyway.

Pros and cons. Alas, so far, the pros aren't very abundant.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

I'm just chalking it up to a sort of beta test, see how the system handles the load or whatever. Once they've seen what it can handle, they'll have a better idea of how much they can implement.

It's a hope, anyway.

Pros and cons. Alas, so far, the pros aren't very abundant.

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A beta test that eats your items. Super.

Had they bothered to solicit player feedback on this system, this is something they could have seen coming a mile away.

Glamour Plates are fine. We just need increased storage, and for dyes not to go away in the armoire.

Well, so much for being able to use the old system to offset the necessity of more plates...
Now there's not even enough plates to glamor all your combat jobs uniquely...

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Glamour Plates are fine. We just need increased storage, and for dyes not to go away in the armoire.

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Or have the plates apply based on job crystal not gear. This wouldn't be as much an issue if the plates didn't overright the old system.

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Originally Posted by Freyt

Ironically it means that you don't have to worry about retainers using this system, since you can just equip what you want them to equip, and then apply your desired glamour for your retainer, and then equip your retainer with the newly glamoured equipment.

Hopefully they'll expand the system to squadrons soon, though.

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Right? Among this whole disaster, this is a small relief.
Although now that you've wrote it out loud, I can't help but think how ridiculous that would be in a RL situation. Now I have this picture of the WoL asking their retainer to take off their pants so they can wear them and apply a glamour, then give them back.