4.2 housing limitations

In the prelim patch notes it says the following:

Players will be permitted to own only one private and one free company estate per World per service account.

It does not say purchase, instead it says "own" so i was wondering if this also applies to people who are already hoarding multiple private/fc plots somehow? Like maybe they will be forced to choose one of each to keep or something? I already have one of each myself so honestly i don't much care about the new plots or anything, however i am not a fan of people hoarding multiple plots while hundreds if not thousands of other players sit by and wish they had a house. It's about time SE recognized and actually did something about the lot of housing issues and so i'm asking this out of curiosity in hopes that this new limit of one private and one fc plot will somehow also be applied to people who already hoard multiple plots before the patch. I would appreciate all input on this subject. Thank you :)

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Originally Posted by Luxpheras

Greetings,



Yoshida mentioned during the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part XLI that the rules being added in Patch 4.2 will be applicable to new purchases only. Players who already possess more than one FC estate and 1 personal estate per world will not lose their existing housing.

We appreciate all the feedback shared so far and will continue to pass your thoughts along to the dev. team!

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It applies to purchases after patch, not current occupants.

So unfortunately people who already hoard get a pass =S? welp that sucks Y_Y. Thanks for digging that info up for me ive seen that live letter but somehow missed that part i guess.

Wtf... So basically this is gonna apply to wards 13 to 18. Honestly what a silly thing. And what about people flipping their old house on alt to new houses. Will they be stopped, will the system recognise this. Incoming 99% bot wards with that one poor guy who managed to actually get his dream house. Something has to be done about these selfish people

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Originally Posted by Mirii_Chan

Wtf... So basically this is gonna apply to wards 13 to 18. Honestly what a silly thing. And what about people flipping their old house on alt to new houses. Will they be stopped, will the system recognise this. Incoming 99% bot wards with that one poor guy who managed to actually get his dream house. Something has to be done about these selfish people

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All future house relinquish and sales will fall under restrictions regardless of wards. People who still own multiple houses will get to keep them but they will not be able to add or change what they have. And new people will not be able to do the same thing and collect multiple houses in the future. This is realistically the best you could have hoped for. Those that own multiple houses didn't break any rules.

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Originally Posted by Mirii_Chan

And what about people flipping their old house on alt to new houses. Will they be stopped, will the system recognise this.

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Restrictions were put in place for new purchases. If you're referring to moving plots, no restrictions were programmed for that so anyone (fc or personal) that already owns a plot can freely move to the open plots during the 'fc only' phase.

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Originally Posted by Coratanni

All future house relinquish and sales will fall under restrictions regardless of wards. People who still own multiple houses will get to keep them but they will not be able to add or change what they have. And new people will not be able to do the same thing and collect multiple houses in the future. This is realistically the best you could have hoped for. Those that own multiple houses didn't break any rules.

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It's understandable, however even if no rules were broken its still viable to say rules can always be changed, i mean they have been before. Also its not out of hand to say programmers can somehow make it so pre-existing owners get to choose which house to keep. I understand it might be a bit of a heavy topic since it may also sound wrong to force those hoarders to lose their extra plots, but at the same time hoarding should be wrong anyway shouldn't it? I'd like to think that since i already own one of each plot im not even being biased about it. I am just truly concerned for all those people who can't get a part of the game content (a house) simply because SE allowed greedy people to take them all up in the first place? Is that really so wrong of me to have that point of view?

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Originally Posted by Mizunoko

I am just truly concerned for all those people who can't get a part of the game content (a house) simply because SE allowed greedy people to take them all up in the first place? Is that really so wrong of me to have that point of view?

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If you check out the first few threads in the housing forum you'll see quite a bit of discussion on it already. This method took less programming vs spending a bunch of time programming checks, reminders, etc for a one-time purge.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

If you check out the first few threads in the housing forum you'll see quite a bit of discussion on it already. This method took less programming vs spending a bunch of time programming checks, reminders, etc for a one-time purge.

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Yes meanwhile resources and time gets wasted on things like diadem xD? I really hope eureka doesn't end up the same =S. Regardless thank you for these links whenever i search i tend to somehow miss what i'm looking for =S.

Plot reselling is basically dead after this update, though relocating still works without any limitation at all.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

Plot reselling is basically dead after this update, though relocating still works without any limitation at all.

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Not dead, but it takes a hit. Nothing stops them from buying the plots as FC houses, which you can still get 8 FC houses on a single service account.

Selling them is easy, give them the money, they add you to the FC and they leave. The house is yours immediately.

The new rules simply mean that any "alt" characters whom own a private property before patch 4.2 will be able to keep them and they will also be allowed to "relocate" freely to better plots if they manage to get them before anyone else!...

Starting from patch 4.2 "alt" characters will no longer be able to get a private property or a Free Company property if the "main" character already owns either if not both of them!...

I agree with the new impositions but how will they compensate the ones like me whom have alts with enough Gil to buy their own properties and were expecting to do so in the new patch!?...

SE will be pretty much violating every character's right to own their own house and they must do something to fix such arbitrariness, something that could make everyone happy is that they allow all characters under the same account in the same world to share the one house that can be owned!...

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

Starting from patch 4.2 "alt" characters will no longer be able to get a private property or a Free Company property if the "main" character already owns either if not both of them!....

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I wonder what happens if someone else owns a private FC with a house, adds your alt to the FC and then they leaves the FC to your alt...

What about the people with enough money who really really really saved and worked to get a house... only to buy that house next to 3 people who bough their 3rd, 4th, 5th houses just cause they had enough gil on an alt.... i question this.....

Housing should be achievable to everyone, old player or new player regardless. The fact that people are sitting on many houses more than 2 means they really should learn to share with their fellow gamer....

If it was my call I'd say woops...

But then again the pure definition of an alt makes that statement ambiguous. If you have 4 characters all with max classes, which one by definition in SE's eyes is that main and which is the alt.

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Originally Posted by Mizunoko

So unfortunately people who already hoard get a pass =S? welp that sucks Y_Y. Thanks for digging that info up for me ive seen that live letter but somehow missed that part i guess.

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It sucks but on the same note, at least they can't flip them either. Anyone who doesn't sell their extra house or whatever by 4.2 will lose any profit.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Not dead, but it takes a hit. Nothing stops them from buying the plots as FC houses, which you can still get 8 FC houses on a single service account.

Selling them is easy, give them the money, they add you to the FC and they leave. The house is yours immediately.

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While you are right on this, a lot of people are going to realize that they'll be in an empty shell of a FC also unless they build that FC up with members. I'd think being in an empty FC isn't going to get one far in content unless their really lucky with pug groups.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Not dead, but it takes a hit. Nothing stops them from buying the plots as FC houses, which you can still get 8 FC houses on a single service account.

Selling them is easy, give them the money, they add you to the FC and they leave. The house is yours immediately.

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Not on the same world though, Its 1 personal house 1 FC house per world account. If you have a character on a world thats part of a FC with a house. Does not matter if they are a Member or the leader, none of their other characters on that world can purchase a FC house. Add in ranking up a FC finding a plot to buy and resell it just wont be worth effort too most people.

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Originally Posted by Mirii_Chan

Wtf... So basically this is gonna apply to wards 13 to 18. Honestly what a silly thing. And what about people flipping their old house on alt to new houses. Will they be stopped, will the system recognise this. Incoming 99% bot wards with that one poor guy who managed to actually get his dream house. Something has to be done about these selfish people

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This will apply to any plot available for purchase regardless of location. Current owners will be able to relocate but not purchase any new houses. As far as reselling SE is implementing a random timer so that when a plot is relinquished you won't know when it will become available. While not perfect it should put a good size dent in reselling and RMT activity.

There is nothing selfish about owning more than one house. When SE designed the system it was to allow for a player to own more than one via alts. Multiple house owners are a minority and the majority only own 2 or 3 houses. Instead of pointing your ire at other players who have done nothing wrong you should redirect it at SE. It is SE who designed this lousy housing system and doubled down perpetuating it rather than admit it is a failure and develop a new system that would meet all players needs.

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Originally Posted by SigmaOZ

SE will be pretty much violating every character's right to own their own house and they must do something to fix such arbitrariness, something that could make everyone happy is that they allow all characters under the same account in the same world to share the one house that can be owned!...

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There are a couple of threads on the housing forum talking about this very issue. Alts on the same server need to be able to share houses and enjoy the various benefits that go with it.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Not on the same world though, Its 1 personal house 1 FC house per world account. If you have a character on a world thats part of a FC with a house. Does not matter if they are a Member or the leader, none of their other characters on that world can purchase a FC house. Add in ranking up a FC finding a plot to buy and resell it just wont be worth effort too most people.

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You can still get around it if you use two accounts though so long as account 2 purchases the house then leaves the fc to account 1. The FC portion still needs some loopholes filled.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

I wonder what happens if someone else owns a private FC with a house, adds your alt to the FC and then they leaves the FC to your alt...

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Then that FC effectively becomes the alt's property!...

I doubt SE will bother solving those loopholes unless they manage to mark all characters in the same world and under the same account as "property owners", meaning at least one of them has a Free Company State and cannot become a FC owner under any circumstance in which case the system would give the FC to the next eligible character!...

That sure is complex and not my case, all I want now that my alts can't get their own homes is that SE allows them to share my house with full rights!...

so basically we gonna see loads of alts with loads of fc houses.... noice

All I want is to use my personal house on all of my characters... SE. Please.

They change things and just create a mess of new issues honestly.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

All I want is to use my personal house on all of my characters... SE. Please.

They change things and just create a mess of new issues honestly.

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Unfortunately it seems like whenever a great suggestion comes in to SE they pretty much ignore it. Or at least that's how it appears to me. Perhaps they just like to keep things complicated lol? Regardless what you said sounds like a great idea they should allow alts to access your other characters houses. It's been a year since i suggested SE put housing releases on timers instead of upon server maintenance so server congestion and errors didnt mess with people trying to rush to get a plot, and after all this time i finally see something similar to what i suggested in the patch notes. It amazes me honestly, but what can ya do ya know :)

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

Plot reselling is basically dead after this update, though relocating still works without any limitation at all.

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In addition to Istaru's point about selling FCs, selling plots for personal housing will also continue.

When a house gets relinquished you can't buy it until the invisible random timer finishes counting down. You can, however, relocate into it. This means that reselling will now take the form of plots in general via selling FCs, and selling medium/large houses (barring them being locked exclusively to FCs) to people that already own small houses.

Somewhat reduced, but not even close to dead. Unfortunately.