Food Effects and Food Recipes

As food effects are slated for adjustment in 1.20b and recipes due to be updated in 1.21 isn't it about time we got our opinions out to the devs, I've had a quick search of the forums and couldn't find a definitive thread regarding these topics, however I was a cursory glance so you'll have to forgive me if I've missed your thread.

Anyway here goes for my ideas / some other suggestions I've heard, read of fleshed out, again if it's one of your ideas, sorry for poaching it, but I liked it and hopefully took it one step further.

Food Effects

Bring back the old and trusted method of base caps. Each food has 1 fixed stat and one stat that affects a stat based on a percentage and base cap, so:

Flatbread
VIT +2
Defence +27% (cap is +50 @ 185 Defence)

Knights bread
VIT +5
Defence +20% (cap is +150 @ 600 Defence)

Meat Miq’abob
STR +4
Attack power +22% (cap is +65 @ 295 attack)

Kobold Punch (I know theres no such drink, but as juices are taken by crafters I made one up, I'm sure were going to need to see a complete overhaul of the food recipe system).
Regen 2HP / 3sec
MP +12% (cap is 204 @ 1700mp)

As you can see from above a level 10 Gladiator with defence of say, 180, would benefit more from Flat bread giving him the full 50 points of defence as opposed to the Knights bread which would only give him 36 points of defence.

Duration

All food should be active for:

5 mins for raw foods / ingredients
30 mins for crafted food eaten individually
2 hours if consumed as part of a meal

Meals
Should consist of 3 crafted items, no beneficial increase in effects, just able to stack multiple effects i.e.:

Melee/Tank
Starter Knights Bread Defence / VIT
Main course Meat Miq’abob Attack Power / STR
Drink Kobold Punch HP regen/ MP

From the above you would benefit from:
Defence + 150
VIT +5
Attack power +65
STR +4
HP regen @ 2hp/3secs
MP + 204

Obviously this is just from a Melee/Tanks point of view; there would be different food effects for every stat, that’s up to square to work out.

Food Recipes

I don’t mind the recipes so much, with a levelled gathering class, or a friend that has one levelled, and some farming sessions for meats etc, you can come by the ingredients easily enough. However the returns can be a bit lame, for so many ingredients in a recipe I’d hope to see at least 3 finished items for my troubles. I’m guessing once food stats are sorted, and a clearer understanding of the exact effects the food is giving you, making food will seem less tedious, making Knights bread, Sauerkraut and Shepherds pies over and over again for no EXP gain is getting a bit tired.

I would however like to point out that we still get raped on inventory space for ingredients like Mineral water, Aldgoat milk and buffalo milk, only stacking to 12. It’s about time these were sorted and stack to 99.

Anyway, some ideas to hopefully get the creative juices of the community going, come on guys n gals, lets get what we want out of food from the Devs.

No, that's how they did it in ffxi so it can't be done that way! (am i doing this right?...)

That aside, looks good to me. I've eaten various things and really haven't noticed much of a change at all... so i'm looking forward to food doing something.

Not to mention i keep finding multiple bowls of stone soup in chests... How long does that stuff keep anyways?

Yeah, get that FFXI shit outta here!

We most definitely need food that lets you KNOW it's working. Right now foods have a very minimal effect, the most effect you feel is the HP/MP gain from it.

Hey Thug! *cheers* :D

I fully support your post and I really like the idea of meals! You could also add an "Meal Bonus", which grants another 5% to every food you ate for example (Although you mentioned no beneficial increase, I wouldn't mind that). Making it worth eating a full meal, instead of a single dish. Furthermore allowing a culinarian to be finally of real use in the game. The benefit of food must be high enough so that ppl use it frequently.

Another possiblity that you could add a "Meal Bonus" which depends on the combinations you make. These are just made up and could be anything.

For example: Vegetable Dish + Meat Dish + Grain Dish = ACC + HP Bonus
Sweet Dish + Drink + Seafood Dish = Magic Attack + MP REGEN Bonus


On a side note, I would love there to be a description on food, which clearly states what the food does (Same goes with any consumable item).

I want to know what the effect of it is and how much it would increase my current stats. Sort of like when you compare other equipment with what you're wearing currently.

Anyhow good going Thug :cool: there finally needs to be a change for culinarians! Don't leave the chef's hanging SE :(

I think I'd only really like re-adopting the stat cap stuff if that information was added to the item descriptions. We need food to be usable and having all the relevant accessible to the players will help that quite a bit.

I think I'd like to see food go more the route of having different foods within the same category give different ratios of bonuses, or something. One thing I like about the old system is that foods of the same type give the same bonuses, so you could just grab whatever was for sale or within your budget, and if you took the time and effort to alter your stats for specific foods, you could get larger bonuses and profit more from higher end food.

Whatever they do with it I'd just like a system that encourages more variety with what is used/made instead of what happened in FF11 and there only being like 5 pieces of food that were ever used.

whatever the stats may be, i'd like them to be displayed in my attributes window. Another thought, can I have some windows up while playing please?

Elea has created many threads replete with information on food and their effects. Thank you Elea. Links and information are posted below. Bon Appetit~~

EDIT: Found this thread -it would seem Elea has been prodigious in the spreading of her most astute information. Posts closer to the information below can be found here and here.

What Is the Purpose of Food?

Food is used for boosting a variety of stats. You can use food for attribute boosts like DEX, VIT, MND, PIE,etc,etc.. or you can look for boosts of Control, Perception, Attack, HP/MP+,etc, etc...

When you use food you get +5 in whatever stat the food enhances. Yes, that doesn't sound special at all, but hold on to your silky Thor undies! I bring great news! If you use food properly, there is a bonus (Yes, a *☆BONUS☆*).

If you use food in the most proper way, you can receive up to about +7.4% of what the food enhances.

Have you ever seen someone eat something and they receive messages like "eats a ----- and finds it to be divine (delicious/tasty)"? Those are bonuses.

"Tastes divine" offers +7.4% to the stat
"Tastes delicious" offers +5.4% to the stat
"Tastes tasty" offers +3% to the stat

If you receive no message and only "well fed" means you are not receiving the bonus

How do I receive this bonus?

As you know, when you look up food on websites, you would see Optimal Rankrank #). Food has a favored optimal level just like equipment does. So you should pay attention to that as you SHOULD do for your equipment.

Also, to get the bonus for food, you have to utilize your points. Each raw food and dish has a favored rank, attribute, and element. You would need to apply the correct amount of points for those areas to receive the full bonus of the food you want to use.

I hear you guys already, "This means I dont have freedom for my points! D: "
Settle down, its ways to still get a bonus for your food.

What food favors what stats

DISH TYP ________________STAT____ELEMENT
Meat Dish ________________STR_____FIRE
Stews ___________________STR_____EARTH
Soups ___________________PIE______FIRE
Grain Dish ________________VIT_____WIND
EggDish __________________VIT_____LIGHTNING
Vegetable Dish (Salad)______DEX_____EARTH
Vegetable Dish (Non-Salad)__MND_____ICE
Seafood Dish (Cooked)______DEX_____LIGHTNING
Seafood Dish (Raw) ________INT_____WATER
Sweets___________________INT_____ICE
Drinks____________________MND____WATER
Dairy_____________________PIE_____WIND

**Raw Foods**

STRENGTH_________Meats
VITALITY__________Grains, Mushrooms
DEXTERITY________Freshwater Fish, Saltwater Fish
INTELLIGENCE _____Vegetables, Lamp Marimo
MIND_____________Eggs
PIETY____________Fruits

The Chart

Rank -Stat- Element
1_____16____12
5_____19____15
7_____20____16
10____25____20
12____27____21
13____29____22
15____31____24
17____34____27
20____38____30
22____41____32
25____45____36
27____49____37
30____53____42
32____56____44
35____61____48
37____63____51
38____68____52
40____70____54
45____78____62
50____87____70

This chart shows the optimal rank for food to the left, attribute stat in the middle, and the element stat to the right (obvious)


How Do I Use that information?

Let's do an example:

"I'm rank 36, but I'm having horrible luck with control on harder synthesis. I want to have better control! What can help me???"

Tuna Miq'abob: Optimal Rank 35
Accuracy: +5
Control: +5

From the list, you saw that cooked seafood dishes favors DEX and Lightning element.

From the chart, you saw that rank 35 food favors attributes stats of 61 and element of 48.


To get "tastes divine" :

BOTH attribute AND element stats have to be+/- 5 of the optimal points.

Ex: DEX 63 Lightning 48 will give you divine
Ex: DEX 66 Lightning 52 will give you divine
Ex: DEX 66 Lightning 53 will give you divine

To get "tastes delicious" :

EITHER the attribute OR the element have be within +/- 3 of the optimal points

Ex: DEX 63 Lightning 55 will give you delicious
Ex: DEX 103 Lightning 46 will give you delicious

To get "tastes tasty" :

EITHER the attribute OR the element have to be -/+ 4-5 of the optimal points.

Ex: DEX 66 Lightning 22 will give you tasty
Ex: DEX 97 Lightning 52 will give you tasty

Its THAT simple.

Closing Time

That really is all there is to it. Many cooks know this and ive noticed other crafters know this also because Ive seen the messages they get nowadays.

I want to make sure I keep spreading the word about food effects because a Cook has to make that bread (literally!)

special thanks to all cooks/crafters who helped with all this research about food and my favorite Chef Mirale Metis!

STRENGTH - Meats
VITALITY - Grains, Mushrooms
DEXTERITY - Freshwater Fish, Saltwater Fish
INTELLIGENCE - Vegetables, Lamp Marimo
MIND - Eggs
PIETY - Fruits

DISCIPLES OF WAR

* ATTACK (Meat Dishes & Egg Dishes)
10 - Marmot Steak
10 - Boiled Egg
12 - Mole Loaf
15 - Rabbit Pie
15 - Mustard Eggs
20 - Jerked Beef
20 - Dodo Omelette
25 - Grilled Dodo
30 - Meat Miq'abob
32 - Roast Dodo
35 - Smoked Raptor
38 - Aldgoat Steak
40 - Shepherd's Pie
40 - Deviled Eggs

* DEFENSE (Grain Dish)
5 - Acorn Cookie
10 - Flatbread
15 - Dark Pretzel
20 - Honey Muffin
25 - La Noscean Toast
30 - Cornbread
35 - Walnut Bread
40 - Knight's Bread

* ACCURACY (Seafood Dish)
10 - Grilled Carp
13 - Braised Pipira
15 - Tree Toad Legs
20 - Boiled Crayfish
25 - Grilled Trout
26 - Boiled Bream
30 - Salmon Meuniere
32 - Lava Toad Legs
35 - Tuna Miq'abob
37 - Baked Sole
40 - Eel Pie
41 - Mugwort Carp
45 - Salt Cod Puffs
50 - Stuffed Cabbage

* EVASION (Seafood Dish)
12 - Salt Cod
22 - Raw Oyster

DISCIPLES OF MAGIC

* MAGIC POTENCY (Sweets)
7 - Ginger Cookie
10 - Bubble Chocolate
10 - Pearl Chocolate
12 - Raisins
14 - Heart Chocolate
16 - White Chocolate
17 - Apple Tart
17 - Princess Pudding
18 - Ore Fruitcake
18 - Sweet Rice Cake
22 - Dried Prune
27 - Blood Currant Tart
29 - Snowflake Peak
32 - Crumpet
34 - Starlight Log
37 - Pastry Fish
42 - Crowned Cake

* MAGIC DEFENSE (Stews)
15 - Ratatouille
25 - Mutton Stew
30 - Beef Stew
35 - Dzemael Gratin
40 - Bouillabaisse
50 - Orobon Stew

* MAGIC ACCURACY (Vegetable Dish)
13 - Spinach Saute
15 - Jack-o'-lantern
16 - Roasted Nopales
20 - Landtrap Salad
29 - Alligator Salad
30 - Parsnip Salad
30 - Forest Miq'abob
35 - Sauerkraut
36 - Stuffed Artichoke
45 - Tomato Pie

* MAGIC POINTS + ELEMENTAL RESISTANCE (Soups)
7 - Stone Soup
9 - Zoni
12 - Pea Soup
17 - Frumenty
22 - Cawl Cennin
27 - Lentils & Chestnuts
37 - Fish Soup

DISCIPLES OF THE HAND

* CRAFTSMANSHIP (Egg Dishes)
10 - Boiled Egg
15 - Mustard Eggs
20 - Dodo Omelette
40 - Deviled Eggs

* MAGIC CRAFTSMANSHIP (Drinks)
2 - Distilled Water
5 - Mineral Water
16 - Orange Juice
20 - Pineapple Juice
24 - Chamomile Tea
30 - Forest Miq'abob
32 - Apple Juice
38 - Mulled Tea

* CONTROL (Seafood Dish)
10 - Grilled Carp
13 - Braised Pipira
15 - Tree Toad Legs
20 - Boiled Crayfish
25 - Grilled Trout
26 - Boiled Bream
30 - Salmon Meuniere
32 - Lava Toad Legs
35 - Tuna Miq'abob
37 - Baked Sole
40 - Eel Pie
41 - Mugwort Carp
45 - Salt Cod Puffs
50 - Stuffed Cabbage

DISCIPLES OF THE LAND

* GATHERING (Vegetable Dish)
13 - Spinach Saute
15 - Jack-o'-lantern
16 - Roasted Nopales
36 - Stuffed Artichoke
45 - Tomato Pie

* OUTPUT (Stews)
15 - Ratatouille
25 - Mutton Stews
30 - Beef Stew
35 - Dzemael Gratin
40 - Bouillabaisse
50 - Orobon Stew

* PERCEPTION (Dairy Product)
10 - Cottage Cheese
15 - Aldgoat Milk
20 - Buffalo Milk
25 - Blue Cheese

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Originally Posted by Matsume

TL,DR, I don't remember where I found this information nor when it was posted but it was such an excellent guide I saved a Word document to my desktop. I tried a google search using the title of the doc but google did not turn up any links so ill just copy/paste the information here. As far as I know its outdated and no longer aplies, but here goes:

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Yes, your absolutely right, they are out of date, you still get the +5 on some recipes, some effects are hidden, but i have'nt seen a tasty or devine prock since before 1.18, hence the need for a better system and more open information regarding the effects of food, that's why this thread is here.....

It's also why Yoshida stated they're reformating the food effects.

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Originally Posted by ThugHunter

Yes, your absolutely right, they are out of date, you still get the +5 on some recipes, some effects are hidden, but i have'nt seen a tasty or devine prock since before 1.18, hence the need for a better system and more open information regarding the effects of food, that's why this thread is here.....

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I see... I could delete the wall of text now that I've found the links, if you would like.

Hi Thug (and all),

As a few people have stated, my key thing I want more than anything with the Food Revamp is:

• Please display the Food Effects / Bonuses in the Item Description for everyone to see.

It was an absolute joke in FF XI, and even moreso here in FF XIV, that Square never bothered to list the effects of Food in their descriptions.

That one terrible decision has undermined Food and an *entire market / class* since the very beginning. Anyone playing Final Fantasy for the first time looking at the current food descriptions would be in the dark about what food did what.

Why would anyone want to spend money (blindly) on Food if they have no idea what each Food item did?

If they took the same philosophy of Food (currently) that they did with Equipment it'd be horrendous. Imagine blindly looking a Cobalt Cuirass and it showed NO Stats, but only said "Cobalt Cuirass is a prized work of the blacksmiths of La Noscea, shiny in its luster..."

It would be ridiculous.

With that one change (Displaying Stat Bonuses on Food), it would create a real market and industry for Culinarians and heck, it would enable Disciples of War/Magic, Gatherers and Crafters to actually want to sell random drops they get (like Raw Meats, Vegetables, Spices, Herbs) because there'd be demand for them by Culinarians because Food would actually sell.

I know there was one Moderator post stating that the Food Stats would be listed (I think), so I remain hopeful that that is still the case with this Food Revamp that's coming.

The other key factor is to make Food Bonuses less convoluted than the current system (which was overly complicated with "Optimal Hidden Stats" (that you needed your base statistics to be near (like get your "VIT as close as possible to 65" (random example)), and "Optimal Elemental Stats" (like getting your "Wind Element near 72" etc.).

If they clean that up, and offer a variety of foods that actually are useful, it would kick start an interesting segment of the game that influences *all* character classes (Adventurers would use food far more actively for Combat (at all levels); Crafters would use food far more often to help with crafting; and Gatherers could use Food to help them with boosted bonuses as well).

Here's to hoping we get some great improvements with Food! :)

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Originally Posted by ThugHunter

Food Recipes
making Knights bread, Sauerkraut and Shepherds pies over and over again for no EXP gain is getting a bit tired.

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I can't agree more, right now the recipe tree is such a mess. The most used dishes are from recipes around lv35 which is nonsense.

So you're stuck to lvl on recipes which won't sell and just hurt your pocket even in the late lvls(which is already a big issue as culinarian as it is right now...making money other than black pearl tries or the above mentioned dishes is awful)

I just want to be able to know how the food is going to effect me in game without having to go outside the game world to figure out what I need.

Now, while I know what food I should be eating, this did take some time. So I hope that the changes also introduce what benefits the food has, and thus help drive the market. If you take the guess work out of food, then it's easier to buy and sell.

I do love the idea about meals. :)

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Originally Posted by Delmontyb

I do love the idea about meals. :)

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Me too, however it wasn't my idea, I saw it in another post as a suggestion, but that was all, I just took some time to think about it and flesh the idea out, I know SE won't buy the idea, but it may spark something other than the usual eat Meat for strength, Fish for Dexterity, Bread for Vitality etc.

It means that we Culs will be forced to making a set type of food over and over again as thats all people will want to buy. I like liked the Meal idea as it means you can completely customise the stats you would get from food depending on the situation your facing, hell i'd even go for a diminishing effect on food the more courses you eat i.e.

First course 100% effect
Second course, reduces first courses effects by 50%
Third course reduces second courses effects by 50%
Third course remains at 100%

So as in the OP you would receive:

Defence +75
VIT +3
Att Power + 33
STR + 2
HP regen @ 2HP/sec
MP +204

Thus reducing the all over effect of the food, but still all in all better than just eating 1 food alone.

I honestly don't know why's food lv should give different boost to stats. People should get the same effect if it's hamburger steak (ground beef smash together) or ruth's chris' steak.
To me, the only benefit for different food lv gives different boost is high-lv culinarian can get better respect...maybe...
I think all Cultinarian only player already hunger to death, so we don't need to worry about the survive-ability here. ^^:

big Matsume's post is good, but these are for the new stats in 1.20?
I still wonder why I didn't get any M. craft boost in attributes for Apple juice (L38 culinarian mnd 142 water 229). maybe it's hidden... no visual boost for my L48 or L50 crafters too.

Perhaps instead of a meal system, they could just make certain food effects stack. Sorta like you could have a drink and a food in XI, except that they both give stats in this case.

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Originally Posted by Deli

I honestly don't know why's food lv should give different boost to stats. People should get the same effect if it's hamburger steak (ground beef smash together) or ruth's chris' steak.
To me, the only benefit for different food lv gives different boost is high-lv culinarian can get better respect...maybe...
I think all Cultinarian only player already hunger to death, so we don't need to worry about the survive-ability here. ^^:

big Matsume's post is good, but these are for the new stats in 1.20?
I still wonder why I didn't get any M. craft boost in attributes for Apple juice (L38 culinarian mnd 142 water 229). maybe it's hidden... no visual boost for my L48 or L50 crafters too.

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Think of it this way, in FFXI you had levels of food as well, for example:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Crab_Sushi >>> http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Tuna_Sushi >>> http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Squid_Sushi

While there weren't levels attached to it, the effects as well as caps were designed to specifically work in level ranges.