Emotes.............

I bought a mount today world wide mind you, and was going to buy some emotes, BUT when I saw they were ONLY for that one char. even at 7 $ or 7.50, it's totally HIGHWAY ROBBERY! Does anyone else feel the same? I mean playing WOW WHATEVER you buy is acct wide! DO NOT bother telling to go back to WOW, the only thing I miss from wow are my mounts.

They are called Optional items for a reason.

Some of the emotes are a bit pricey given their simplicity. Others, however, I feel I can justify the $7 USD for, like the Eastern Dance and Play Dead. The former is extremely elaborate; and the latter is different across each race and gender. Eastern Stretch is probably also worth the $7 because, again, elaborate. I just don't like it, so I didn't buy it.

But Pretty Please, Eastern Bow, and Backflip are a bit pricey for what little they do. I'd suggest waiting for them to go on sale if you want them. They're optional, and they aren't going anywhere. And SE has sales at least twice a year for the Mogstation stuff.

Personally I avoid the cash shop.

Good friends on Jenova gifted me cash shop items. I like the thought better than the items. But the items are cool too.

dont bother buying stormblood or heavensward either. because as you know...ARR is the main game, the expansions are just optional content. no worries

I'm in agreement when it comes to the general price of cash shop exclusive emotes. Some of them are elaborate and that helps the issue, but I still like to wait until they go on sale. For most of those $7 emotes, they'd be more worth the price to me if they were account wide.

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Originally Posted by MaidMiqote

They are called Optional items for a reason.

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Just because they're optional doesn't mean no one's allowed to criticize the price.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

dont bother buying stormblood or heavensward either. because as you know...ARR is the main game, the expansions are just optional content. no worries

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that is incredibly disingenuous to say, expansion packs add a ton of content that in an mmo is the heart of the game.

the items in the mog station are just clothes or emotes that don't affect playing the game at all.

they are not even remotely the same thing. that being said, it's entirely possible to still enjoy arr without any expansions i guess. and i do think $7 is too much for some emotes, considering mog station items used to be a LOT cheaper (look at the prices of stuff from the first halloween event for example). but nobody is required to buy these or should feel pressured to in the same way as buying an expansion.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

the items in the mog station are just clothes or emotes that don't affect playing the game at all.
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Nobody should be told, in a p2p mmo, to skip something because its optional. I know im overexaggeratng, paying for an expansion is not the same as an emote, but its in the same vein.


Why should i be paying more for something i already pay for, and why is it ok to skip it, simply because its optional? This game is casual friendly, this game is dress up and glamour friendly, to alot of people, having the best glams is what they play for..collecting minions and mounts is the reason they sub...would you still then say, that the very sole reason, the entire purpose they pay there sub, is optional content?

"optional content" is such a broad term that you simply cannot apply it to anything.


I dont craft at all, i dont gather at all..to me, that is optional content, i wouldnt be sad if they put recipes in the mogstation and the ONLY way to get and craft that recipe was buying it from the mogstation..why? because to me, thats optional content that i wont do. But its not optional content to alot of people. Raids are optional content to casuals who dont raid. should that be behind the mogstation too? its optional afterall. Glamour is a huge part of this game, collecting is a huge part. having everything and achieving everything is a goal of many people.


So no, i would not consider emotes and glamour items and mounts as "optional content" because i do not see anything else as optional content, i see it simply as Content. and it should not be locked behind a paywall.


and just so you know, those halloween things and such are priced like that because they used to be in the game. it wasnt a new emote or a new costume they had to create.

The cost of a subscription for an MMO hasn't changed in 20 years. Do you really think our subscriptions, alone, cover operating costs? But if the subscription cost was raised to really reflect the cost of running an MMO, everybody would freak out. There's a reason nearly every single subscription-based MMO has been $14.99 a month, it's what we expect.

Thinking that a shop for something like a piece of glamour or a fancy mount shouldn't exist because you pay a sub is absurd in the modern world. They are not content because they do not impact anything other than your appearance. You are not paying for access to a dungeon or raid. You are not paying for the best weapons or gear in the game. You are paying for a pair of earrings, or the ability to do a different dance than someone else while AFKing next to a gathering node or something. That's not content. That's aesthetics. And if it's really that important for you than yeah, you'll have to pay, because nothing about these vanity items impacts your gameplay at all.

Crafting is an actual activity you do in the game, and it creates items you need in other areas of the game...like gear, food, and potions. So that's still not even remotely the same thing. I think you are misunderstanding what makes the Mog Station items optional - they are nothing but appearance items. You don't play your black mage differently because you're wearing the Far Eastern Beauty's dress. The exceptions to these, of course, are the boosts, but those don't change fundamentally how you play either, since in MMOs, the real game starts at endgame usually.

I know the Halloween items used to be in the game, all the holiday items get added back, but they were still at a cheaper price point than the things that have been added back from other holidays.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

The cost of a subscription for an MMO hasn't changed in 20 years. Do you really think our subscriptions, alone, cover operating costs? But if the subscription cost was raised to really reflect the cost of running an MMO, everybody would freak out. There's a reason nearly every single subscription-based MMO has been $14.99 a month, it's what we expect.

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$15 absolutely covers operating costs.

$15/month, with 3 months in between patches amounts to $45/patch...
Practically a new AAA game (pre-ordered through Amazon Prime with the 20% off).
Or a discounted game off the zillion PS Store sales that go on...
Or a metric ton of Steam sales games....


SE has you hook, line, and sinker with the idea that they can pump out each patch, charge you the cost of a brand new game, and then gut that content by placing it on the cash shop for whales to purchase it in addition to their "new game"....

You are seriously overestimating the importance of a glamour item. We get tons of glamour items, emotes, and mounts every patch for free.

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Originally Posted by Voldemort

SE has you hook, line, and sinker with the idea that they can pump out each patch, charge you the cost of a brand new game, and then gut that content by placing it on the cash shop for whales to purchase it in addition to their "new game"....

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This is factually inaccurate. Everything on the Mogstation is developed by a separate team. The only involvement Yoshida has is giving them an idea of what might sell. If the Mogstation were shutdown tomorrow, everything there wouldn't suddenly be put into the game nor would they add additional things afterwards. They'd just stop making it altogether, and relocate the team to another project.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

You are seriously overestimating the importance of a glamour item. We get tons of glamour items, emotes, and mounts every patch for free.

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Biggest times for players resubbing this game in between expansions is:
-Content patches
-Seasonal events (100% glamour grabs)

Personally I don't really care about the particular emote in question in this thread, but this is simply a matter of you being content with receiving less for more money.
If this were a telecommunication company (i.e. Comcast) throttling your bandwidth while simultaneously charging you more per month, you'd be up in arms. But yet in this instance, you're completely fine with less and less content being added as part of our routine sub fee.

Which as I added in my previous post, you're paying for another copy of Stormblood every patch for $45/month. Of which the opportunity cost for not resubbing is quite the number of brand new games which haven't been gutted.

My bandwidth is essential to my use of the internet. Items from the Mog Station are not essential to my enjoyment of this game.

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Originally Posted by Voldemort

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I have stayed subbed for all of my 3 years. Even when not playing. Why? The sub does pay for the content I receive in that same time. The server uptime, the patches, the hotfixes, and the new expansion in progress. I don't feel the slightest bit bad about that considering I'm getting more value out of the "$45/3 month" out of FFXIV than I would a single player or even multiplayer title for the same price. Those same games don't always guarantee replayability, and are even full of micro transactions themselves, which could be argued as less of a value. (looking at you EA) FFXIV is an always evolving game. It would make sense to have a continual sub for that. I can't say I've played any other game for 3 years straight (okay maybe skyrim....but I bought that at least 5 times......and dlc..... *shudder*).

Mogstation gear is typically made by a separate team. Each purchase fuels that team. Yes some may think that its part of the enjoyment of the base game and should be included, when in all actuality if the Mogstation died today and the gear in game with it.....you'd still have the game and everything else in it you paid for with your sub. You're not receiving more or less than what you sub for by having separately developed items on mogstation.

As someone myself that has supported a few games through micro transactions (both f2p, p2p, b2p) because I like the dev team and people behind the game itself, there is nothing wrong with adding cosmetic items (and even non-cosmetic i.e. Warframe) at an added price into a virtual store to help with extra costs on their side and yes, even profits, because profits tend to lead to more games or expansions. If a game is not profitable, it tends to not survive the day.

This argument can go all day long...but in the end, support it or don't. You're not being forced to buy the items.

That all being said I hate this emote is 7 dollars, and can patiently wait for it to be on sale. :)