21 guild leves per level at 43

Leveling is still very flawed in FFXIV.

I have a level 43 gladiator. Now there are several problems with leveling in this game. I have done exactly 1 exp party got about 3 levels in about 6 hours well thats a lot faster then leves. I flagged myself for a party ever since the party search function came out as a result only have got into 1 party. Otherwise I am doing leves for exp.

1 level 40 leve at lv43 on average is about 4000 exp. 3000 exp for compilation + 1000 for killing mobs.

I need 81k exp to get lvl 44. So thats 21 guild leves to level. Each guild leve takes around 15 min to finish on average. So thats 5 hours and 15 min per level. Keep in mind these things are not fun. Exp requirement goes up each level in turn requiring you to do more leves

The 1 party I had was pretty good exp per hour. I got 3 levels in 6 hours. 3x as efficient as doing guild leves.

Here in lies the problem there just aren't enough people on the servers to support making many exp parties at all. I check who is seeking usually 3-4 people in my range usually all melee for the most part. A viable group cannot be made with that.

Is SE going to do something about the exp because grinding boring gulid leves for 5 hours per level isn't very fun. There is no way I am doing like 20 of these in a row I get bored of doing them after about the 4th one usually.

SE planning on doing anything to help the leveling situation?

The problem is that most people aren't using the party search system.

Guildleves are for casual playing--playing on spare time where you can't give a chunk of time to a party. If you're solely leveling up solo on an MMO, you're doing it wrong. Moreover, leves give you gil and gear rewards, which warrants more limited EXP gain.

21 eh?

used to be 16 before patch 1.20.

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Originally Posted by Answa

If you're solely leveling up solo on an MMO, you're doing it wrong.

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Did you bother to read his entire post?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

there just aren't enough people on the servers to support making many exp parties at all. I check who is seeking usually 3-4 people in my range usually all melee for the most part. A viable group cannot be made with that.

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Originally Posted by Answa

Guildleves are for casual playing--playing on spare time where you can't give a chunk of time to a party. If you're solely leveling up solo on an MMO, you're doing it wrong. Moreover, leves give you gil and gear rewards, which warrants more limited EXP gain.

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Its not doing it wrong. Lack of players on a single server and lack of tools to promote group leveling. IE no cross server dungeon finder yet.

I think you are mistaken.

There is are flaws in your example, in the rate of XP based on your example. Your saying that 8 people can get XP as a whole 8 or more times faster then 8 people will individually. Makes sense to me.
Not to mention a level will reward 5000-8000 regularly. My leves average 10 minutes. So thats more XP per hour for me, and 10,000-16,000 gill more as well. In a group you will not earn 40,000 gill an hour like you can alone in a leve.

Did you look at the search list and see how many people were on there in your level? I ask this because if there were several, that leaves alot of options for group leaders to chose from. In my experience, if you are not starting your own group, you can't complain just because other group leaders don't pick you.

My point is, you present no evidence to support that the reason you never recieved a group invite, was based on population.

You make unfounded assumption, that you can sit here and make threads blaming SE. Thats as reasonable as if I or others here decided to make a thread declaring the XP system is perfect, and that Zumi either has a bad reputation, or picked a class already saturated on his server, therfore Zumi is to blame for his own inability to be picked randomly off of the search list for a group at his ideal time of day.

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Originally Posted by Clair

I don't have my Gladiator that high but I've done level 30 and 40 grand company leves for my Lancer and Conjurer and got around 10-12k exp per leve. I raised the level of the monsters to either equal level or above so I could chain and would usually get chain 3-4 no problem. Guardian's favor was used too. Without guardian's favor I can't remember but it definitely wasn't anywhere near 4k exp for a 15 minute company leve. This was after 1.20 so it should be still possible, I imagine if my Conjurer could chain easily enough a Gladiator could too.

Experiment a bit. I know that now if I'm doing a leve and I'm not getting 10k+ exp with favor it's not worth my time and I'll go back to one I know that will.

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For the most part gladiator is very weak damage class. If I set the level up to the point where the mobs can chain my level or higher they roll me pretty hard. I do not do enough damage to kill them before they kill me. One of the pure damage dealing classes probably do have an easier time doing stuff on a harder difficulty from what I heard from friends but not gladiator for sure.

You should be doing leves much faster than 15min. Solo my 38 CON usually takes about 5-6 min / leve. Reduce your difficulty level, you'll likely find that while you lose some XP bonus for reducing a start or two, it more than makes up for it by giving you a time bonus.

Duoing leves is also a great way to go.

Also I recommend you be the one who forms the party. I see so many people complaining about lack of parties to join. Why don't you take the initiative and start the party yourself. Invite the other seeking party people to join you, shout in the city, etc. Take initiative. Between party search and city shout you can easily have a group of 8 in about 15 minutes of organizing.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

I think you are mistaken.

There is no flaw in my opinion, in the rate of XP based on your example. Your saying that 8 people can get XP as a whole 8 or more times faster then 8 people will individually. Makes sense to me.
Not to mention a level will reward 5000-8000 regularly. My leves average 10 minutes. So thats more XP per hour for me, and 10,000-16,000 gill more as well. In a group you will not earn 40,000 gill an hour like you can alone in a leve.

Did you look at the search list and see how many people were on there in your level? I ask this because if there were several, that leaves alot of options for group leaders to chose from. In my experience, if you are not starting your own group, you can't complain just because other group leaders don't pick you.

My point is, you present no evidence to support that the reason you never recieved a group invite, was based on population.

You make unfounded assumption, that you can sit here and make threads blaming SE. Thats as reasonable as if I or others here decided to make a thread declaring the XP system is perfect, and that Zumi either has a bad reputation, or picked a class already saturated on his server, therfore Zumi is to blame for his own inability to be picked randomly off of the search list for a group at his ideal time of day.

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I don't start my own group on this game because I would have no clue on where you would even go since I have done what 1 party. I have no clue on any camps. How can I with only like 3 people seeking. I could take a picture right now and you will see only 3 people seeking in my range. The maps are not labeled with level ranges like other MMOs. From what I seen people just get 1 healer and then 7 other people in their range. The one party I had actually had 4 gladiators in it so people really don't care what class they pick up as long as they have their 1 healer.

Well, wouldn't a more constructive thread be - "Hi, I'm Zumi and I was wondering where a great place to rank up a party at 43 would be. Where do you guys usually go? Is there anything I need to worry about from a skills or party makeup perspective? Thanks!"

To be constructive, I will add that FFXIV YG now seems mostly updated with the latest patches. Just go to Databases -> NPCs -> Attackable Mobs and you can filter by rank and zone. I think even see locations displayed on a map. It looks like the Amalj'aa camps in Thanalan have r40-49 mobs, and those usually have good respawn rates. Another option would be Kobold's (mid r40s Upper La Noscea). Or Restless Raptors (40-52) in Western La Noscea.

I imagine if I made party people would be pretty upset after I did not know of any camps, asked them instead if they knew where to go and would result in people leaving. People not offended by my lack of knowledge of party camps would then have to wait for the group to fill again.

I meant that the thread on the forums should be about where to grind, etc.... /smacks forehead. Instead of asking for help from the community, you complain and ask what SE is going to do to fix your problem....

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Originally Posted by Crica

Did you bother to read his entire post?

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Did you read the rest of mine?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

For the most part gladiator is very weak damage class. If I set the level up to the point where the mobs can chain my level or higher they roll me pretty hard. I do not do enough damage to kill them before they kill me. One of the pure damage dealing classes probably do have an easier time doing stuff on a harder difficulty from what I heard from friends but not gladiator for sure.

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There's something wrong with this, I solo'ed my GLA from 45 to 50 right after patch 1.20 release, doing both normal and GC leve. I never had any problem with mobs 1-3 levels higher than me. Granted I do use some cross class skills, they are Protect, Stoneskin, Secondwind, Invigorate and Cure, but that's pretty much all you can cross class nowadays because of the severe restriction patch 1.20 brought. The Riot Blade combo do very very big damage and it's easy enough to pull solo, except on the Toads as they are too big that they block your entire screen and you don't know where you are. You may want to check where you are doing leves, because I think Ul'dah still receive a big penalty on EXP reward upon completion. I was doing leve in Gridania and without GA the normal EXP reward with speed is around 5.5k - 6k alone, not counting mob kills. With GA and kill type GC leve, I could get close to 15k EXP per leve.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't start my own group on this game because I would have no clue on where you would even go since I have done what 1 party. I have no clue on any camps.
Thats not my fault. Thats your fault. There are thread upon thread asking that exact question, did you even attempt to look for one? Has it occured to you to actually ask that question or ask how to get a group, or to simply complain about how flawed you fel the system is?
How can I with only like 3 people seeking. I could take a picture right now and you will see only 3 people seeking in my range.
Well you do what everyone else does, either sit there on the list being inactive then get on the forums and cry about it. Because I am sure that really got the groups begging for you.
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Get off your but and be proactive, learn the camps. Ask about them hear or do a search on any search engine. I did, and found alot.

The maps are not labeled with level ranges like other MMOs.
There are pleanty of maps with camps listed by level
EXAMPLE:
http://mooglebox.com/thanalan/index.php
http://mooglebox.com/la-noscea/index.php
http://mooglebox.com/blackshroud/index.php
There are 3 maps, one for Thanalan, La Noscea, and Black Shroud, and the capability to adjust the map based on level.
From what I seen people just get 1 healer and then 7 other people in their range. The one party I had actually had 4 gladiators in it so people really don't care what class they pick up as long as they have their 1 healer.

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Get anything you can get in your range. Its faster then solo. Then as you kill you keep looking for more. Thats what most players do.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I imagine if I made party people would be pretty upset after I did not know of any camps, asked them instead if they knew where to go and would result in people leaving.
Thats a crap excuse. I start parties all the time, and first thing I ask is "hey guys, where you do you want to go". I often get multiple suggestions, then we go off and kill stuf till we level. If you ever tried, you may actually know this. Instead, you chose to theorcraft about what "might" happen and stand there and get 0 XP. Thats fine with me untill you get on the forums and attempt to convince everyone else that this is everyones fault but yours. Moreover, you attempt to blame SE for your inactivitiy.

People not offended by my lack of knowledge of party camps would then have to wait for the group to fill again.
In my experience, people get offended but prejugmental stupidity alot more then they do at a general lack of knowledge or experience. You choose to sit here and prejudge how players will react rather then to actually find out on your own.

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Slight note, leves shouldn't take you 15 minutes each to complete. The speedy bonus (which is easy to get) is generally for completion in under 6-10 minutes depending on the leve. Rarely did I ever spend more than 10 minutes on them.

Also leves aren't the main means of leveling anymore. Groups have gotten tons of attention in recent patches and they are definitely the quickest way to level currently.

Your math is wrong. I did 8 leves per level from 46-49 and 9 for the last. You need to kill every single quest mob for the EXP. I didn't even have to throw on guardians favor every time, I usually to do like the last two leves without it. I leveled at camp broken water and halitali (sp?). on my archer to do this. This game isn't that difficult to level as your making it.

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Thats a crap excuse. I start parties all the time, and first thing I ask is "hey guys, where you do you want to go". I often get multiple suggestions, then we go off and kill stuf till we level. If you ever tried, you may actually know this. Instead, you chose to theorcraft about what "might" happen and stand there and get 0 XP. Thats fine with me untill you get on the forums and attempt to convince everyone else that this is everyones fault but yours. Moreover, you attempt to blame SE for your inactivitiy.

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I don't stand there and get 0 exp. I do leves while seeking which gets 4k exp a leve like I said.

After seeking for about 4 hours some guy invited me to a party. This guy had ports to camps and stuff which I didn't have. Went from 43 to 48 in 7 hours. Went through 3 or 4 different healers.

My server has a population of around 370ish at peak times, so yea it does take quite a long time for enough people to be in your range to from a group. They honestly do need to merge servers cause it really shouldn't take that long to be able to form a group.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Slight note, leves shouldn't take you 15 minutes each to complete. The speedy bonus (which is easy to get) is generally for completion in under 6-10 minutes depending on the leve. Rarely did I ever spend more than 10 minutes on them.

Also leves aren't the main means of leveling anymore. Groups have gotten tons of attention in recent patches and they are definitely the quickest way to level currently.

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They take longer if you do leves that are above your level to get the exp chain bonus. This happens at levels *1, *4, and *7 where * is an integer between 0 and 4. At these levels, you're 2 levels below the levels of the monsters, and for soloing 2 levels means the difference between completing a leve in "6-10 minutes" versus completing a leve in 15. At these levels, sometimes it's necessary to sacrifice the exp chain bonus and just do the lower level version of the leve because the time spent vs exp reward is too small. Might as well be better off getting the speed/completion bonus.

The funny thing is, as soon as you gain one level so that you're one level below the mobs, it gets exponentially easier to pull off exp chains AND get the speed/skill bonus.

Basically, because leves don't scale to your level, you will either be fighting mobs at your level up to 2 levels above you. I had this same issue when I was rank 37 with my PGL the other day. The 4* leves would take too long, while the 3* leves gave no exp chain bonuses.

Anyway, to the OP, Naylia gave some very good info. And I honestly think you're kinda overblowing the whole "I can only find one or two people to party" with thing for your level. For soloing, I found that the Raptors nearby Camp Iron Lake in Limsa Lominsa to be a fairly solo-friendly place to level. The mobs there are soloable, but if you can even get a small group - something like 3-4 people, they're nice and squishy and can be mowed down at an incredibly fast rate.

By the way, if you want to use the Riot Blade --> Rage of Halone combo, hit C to temporarily disable the lock on, run forward (through the mob), then use Riot Blade. If you do it fast enough and the server isn't being a laggy sack of #)$! the game will register the Riot Blade as a back hit, allowing you to pile on damage with the Rage of Halone.

GLA actually does better damage this patch now thanks to the combo system, so I think you should be killing a little bit faster now if you combo correctly.

Also, if you use Guardian's Aspect, each leve gives you anywhere between 3k-6k exp. That is crazy good and makes leveling a lot easier for people like you and me who prefer to solo or do lowman parties.