Most of the level 60-70 job quest lines have been about teaching our job to a new generation or taking on a pupil, or at least showing that others have started training in that job. So I figured this would be building up to allowing us to teach our squad to advance to jobs.
I mean, are the tank NPCs really going to be able to hold hate without access to tank stances? Will we not be able to gain access to future jobs like drk, ast, mch, rdm and sam? Is cnj going to be the only healer we get access to? I have an arcanist who I was hoping I'd be able to make into a scholar one day.
Now that we are getting the ability to take them into dungeons it would be nice to be able to unlock their jobs. If our retainers can do it I don't see why soilders under our personal training wouldn't be able to.
Squadron jobs?
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10-07-2017, 03:27 AMCabalabobSquadron jobs?
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10-07-2017, 03:37 AMZfz
Would be nice to teach them jobs, but it's by no means necessary. Tank members could simply get a 9999% enmity bonus for all we know and be programmed to always Flash/Unleash/Overpower mobs.
As it stands, though, I don't see any real benefit beyond making us feel good about it to have jobs on squadron members. I would actually even prefer more dungeons be made available before getting squadron jobs. -
10-07-2017, 05:00 AMNiwashiThey have that Independent, Offensive, Defensive, Balanced setting. I think those are your stances (with the initial "Independent" being no stance used).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabalabob
Though I still agree it would be good to be able to teach them jobs. Maybe that'll be added later. -
10-07-2017, 05:17 AMLilsephQuote:
Originally Posted by Zfz
I don't know if you ever did the level 60+ SCH job quests. The main NPC, Alka Zolka, is a MRD. You get some instanced quests where you venture yourself in some dungeons. The guy snaps aggro perfectly, uses cooldowns and self-healing abilities just fine. I'm guessing the squadron AI will behave like that. The first set of dungeons they are introducing are very easy, mechanically speaking. I don't think they will have issues performing their designed roles. I really don't know either if it's going to be the full dungeon or a "lite" version. However... I'd laugh like a madman if I see the healer dpsing, lmao... -
10-07-2017, 05:53 AMRemedi
I'll be frank the SCH job quests have always been very good at handling dungeons with AIs
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10-07-2017, 06:12 AMNiwashiThere's lots of solo instances where NPCs fight alongside us. I haven't gotten to those more recent ones, but even in the original ARR instances, NPCs tended to be reasonably good at when to use their abilities. It was in knowing when to move that they seemed pretty idiotic at times, even standing right in the path of AoE time and time again. Have they gotten any better at that part?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilseph
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10-07-2017, 07:27 AMLilsephYes, I'm well aware that you have NPCs doing things in a lot of instanced quests, but I'm mentioning the SCH one exactly for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niwashi
SCH quest example:
In the SCH questline, you get into the Lost City of Amdapor (HM) map, and you get to fight Kuribu in almost the same way than the original dungeon. Both the tank and the DPS NPCs were doing all mechanics correctly. The Proximity damage AoE, they were going away, the stack mechanic, they were stacking, they were avoiding AoEs and using defensive/offensive cooldowns. -
10-07-2017, 07:45 AMNiwashiThanks. Yes, that sounds quite promising. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilseph
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10-08-2017, 06:58 AMCabalabobI agree with you, having jobs wouldn't serve any functional purpose right now with only 5 dungeons available as all classes/jobs are pretty interchangeable when it comes to dungeons. But if the squad feature is going to be expanded in the future I'd like to know jobs are on the table. If they open up 8 man content for example, I'd want a white mage and a scholar, not 2 conjurers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zfz
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10-08-2017, 07:22 AMSuperZay
If retainers can take a job for 40 ventures, surely Squadron members can too for 40k seals.
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10-08-2017, 07:58 AMFelis40 ventures and a level reset, if the retainer have already a jobQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperZay
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10-08-2017, 08:01 AMSuperZay
If you've seen how fast npcs kill enemies in Halatali in liveletter stream (took a few hits per mob), their job shouldnt really matter. It's either their dps is very high or because
*The HP of enemies in level 15 to 49 and level 51 to 59 dungeons has been adjusted. -
10-08-2017, 09:53 AMKahnom
I'll set my tank and healer on offensive though.
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10-15-2017, 04:53 AMValentineSnow
Having played around with them, squads could definitely use jobs. Tanks do struggle with hate, mainly due to their A.I. but extra enmity can only help. The MRD in particular would really benefit from steel cyclone, on the rare occasion it actually uses overpower it always seems to miss half the mobs due to not being able to aim the cone.
Then there's classes like pugilist that miss out on a lot of their better moves like fists of fire and dragon kick from monk and conjurers could make some good use of holy from white mage.
But the most important thing of all.... GLAMOURS! I want to give my squad some of the job specific gear like my lancer in dragoon armour but they don't get access to it.