Chat Log could read as follows:
Damage Dealt [30.0s] 4000/s - 120000 total Damage - 32% crit - 40% Direct hit.
With the example above I can see that I can achieve 4000 damage per second in my first 30 seconds with a total damage of 120000. I can take that information and see if i can improve my opener. Maybe i can squeeze out a little a more dps by placing this OGCD here instead of there... I can even compare notes with friends to see if its my rotation or if its gear/stats related.
Allow for options for when the parser gives you a read out. So instead of it just giving you damage read out per skill it simply gives you a DPS meter every 20 secs or 30 secs so it does't fill up your chat box with numbers... Problem solved.
The battle chat is already built for such a parser it would take very little resources to create this type of parser for everyone to use.
DCUO did something like that and never once heard a complaint about it.
The screen shot below shows a damage read out every 10 secs.
http://i.imgur.com/o9SSMBK.jpg
All I want is a way to see my DPS so I can see where i can improve.
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09-06-2017, 10:29 PMAstral145Battle Chat Parser
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09-06-2017, 10:45 PMNintenPyjak64
There is the third party parser, Advanced Combat Tracker, that reads from the battle log and gives you your numbers (if you're on PC. PS4 is SOL). Does exactly what you're looking for, and goes the extra mile with individual ability damage, how much a boss's attack did, your crit rate, etc
Devs have a pretty hard stance on parsers, so really it's "fight club rules" with them. It's been brought up numerous times that people want an ingame parser to improve with, but they keep saying no (sadly enough) -
09-06-2017, 10:48 PMAstral145Unfortunatly we cant use 3rd party applications on PS4. I am a PS4 user and its very frustrating to not be able to see my dps. I have to depend on PC players that have parcers to help me improve and at times that is frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64
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09-06-2017, 10:59 PMNintenPyjak64I can imagine it is. Sadly toxic players have ruined the image of a parser for the community, so the odds of an official one are slim to noneQuote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
The only forseeable way is addons finally being allowed, but SE loves to dance around it whenever it's brought up. They say they're still working on it, but with how many times it's being "pushed back", it's never going to happen -
09-07-2017, 01:52 AMAstral145I don't see how individual parsers can be any more toxic then groups kicking players due to difference in play style. Or kicking players for being terrible at healing or not pushing out some damage as a healer. All of the above are toxic for the player base yet the GM's allow this to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64
Most modern MMO's have some kind of built in damage reader. With all the dps checks in FFXIV there is no real reason as to why we cant have "individual" (Not Group) parsers. -
09-07-2017, 02:58 AMNintenPyjak64On top of allowing things like that, they constantly add DPS checks, yet give us no way to check DPS. SSS was their answer and it's beyond horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
What if I need to move for a mechanic, or I'm forced out of bounds to deal with mechanics (timesgates in A12S, the tank and 1 DPS getting forced to fight an add in A4, etc). That is going to tank DPS. Then looking at Monk, even DRG to an extent, SSS is the worst way imaginable to check DPS. Brotherhood is useless as crap which means I'm a slave to Deep Meditation RNG. The only way to get accurate reads is from actual raid content, not a training dummy -
09-07-2017, 03:12 AMKabooa
All SSS states is that you know your basic class mechanics well enough to perform in the given encounter. You have to adjust to mechanics and figure out where your opportunities to go to pound town are, but if you can beat the dummy, you are geared enough / have a good enough understanding that you can clear the encounter.
Also there's a website that lets you turn SSS into a basic meter. -
09-07-2017, 03:34 AMAstral145
Kaboo:
The point in having a parser is to know how you are performing at any giving time in any encounter and see if there is any room to get better. Think about it like this when you are driving and pass a sign that says 35 mph what do responsible drivers do? They look down at their gauge to see if they need to increase or decrease speed. Meters, thermostats and Gauges are used everywhere. When you go scuba diving would you rather guess how much air you have left or would rather have a gauge?
Anyway having a simple parser will go a long way to help a lot of players especially on PS4 to help improve their performance. -
09-07-2017, 03:02 PMKabooa
I don't disagree.
Just that you have a work around through the SSS calculator. -
09-07-2017, 10:51 PMAstral145Not if on PS4...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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09-07-2017, 11:14 PMbswpaytonThe sad part about it is the devs just arent gona move on this its another thread already up with this very thing the best solution is to just get on pc which Im tryin to plan to do myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
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09-07-2017, 11:53 PMAstral145I enjoy my PS4 and not everyone can just go buy a descent gaming pc. I would have to spend $500 - $800 to have a pc equivalent to a PS4. This doesn't include everything else i need like a descent monitor, keyboard, mouse, + I would have to buy ARR+HW+SB all over again. I'm not willing to spend up to $1000+ just to have a parser.Quote:
Originally Posted by bswpayton
The battle chat is already setup to have a simple parser for all FFXIV players. It would take very little resources to create such a parser. Ther is zero reasons for the devs to not give the player base an INDIVIDUAL parser to help players improve. If a F2P mmo like DCUO can create a parser for PC and PS4/Xbox1 users then why cant FFXIV? -
09-08-2017, 12:25 AMbswpaytonI totally get where ur coming from I originally came from pc and use keyboard mousse on my PS4 now. I had a post myself asking about enrages but know idea on your dps. The simple fact is they aren't going to move on this def not in sb and probably never. It's disheartening but just not gona happen. The only reason this gets brought up so much is because thus game Is one of the few cross platform mmos. If it was pc only it would be a non issue. I support a parser, I'm just being realistic and know the only solution is to get a PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
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09-08-2017, 06:45 AMOkamimaru
They could make it so you can filter the battle chat to only show your damage instead of everything that it currently shows (way too much info to try and sort through on the fly currently) a sorta makeshift parser without actually being a parser...
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09-08-2017, 07:08 AMDzianSss is a great tool when used correctly. What was does is give you a directly comparable indication of your dps potential which can be directly compared to other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64
It's a highly accurate measure as well because it eliminates all outside variables. Which makes for more accurate comparisons. 2 dragons that do the same dummy can directly compare results. 2 dragons that come out of the same raid fight can't because there's just too many variables in a raid setting to make an accurate comparison. If one of those dragons had constant balances trick attacks and skill speed buffs for example and the other didn't that leads to an incomparable set of results.
But if one dragoon smacks a dummy 10 seconds faster than the other. Those results are directly comparable because there are no outside variables.
Sss is also a measure of what your potential should be at your given I level Which again is something a parser simply can't tell you. Act or anything similar can't look at your ilevel and say hey your dps should be x amount. But that's exactly what sss does pretty much.
So sss is a great tool and gives you a highly accurate representation of your potential..
If you can't smash a dummy with 100% uptime there's no way you have the potential to clear the actual raid..
So in truth. Sss then is actually an amazing tool and it tells you a hell of a lot of useful information. It sets the bar that players should be at before they even attempt an encounter and it tells them how far above or below that they are in a directly comparable way to other players..
I also think sss highlights why the devs don't want an in game parser. Because if people cannot use sss dummies correctly and understand the information they provide. There is no way players will understand what a parse actually means or even use it correctly. -
09-08-2017, 10:11 AMRawrz
I join the dark side next week. Moving my ssd from ps4 and saying goodbye.
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09-08-2017, 12:02 PMAstral145It's a great practice dummy but over all that all it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
I need to gauge my dps in a raid or dungeon while dodging aoes...ect and know exactly what my dps is at that moment. I'm tired of guessing what my dps is... I really would like to get in a static group and take on the hardest content in the game but I need some kind of parser to make sure that I am pulling my weight during all phases in a fight. I want to see actual numbers every 20 or 30 secs to make sure that I am pulling my weight. I dont need to see what the other guy is doing as it is their responsibility to pull their own weight. -
09-09-2017, 12:43 AMIlanWhat toxic players? Sorry, compared to 99% of all other MMORPG's the com in FF14 is pure gold and a parser would not change a thing. If someone wants to be toxic, he will be that anyway. SE has simply no trust in their own community.Quote:
Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64
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SSS is in no way a proper replacement for a parser. There is no possibility to analyse your rotation, no mechanic that you have to react to and so on. Its a nice toy and nothing more. -
09-09-2017, 03:50 AMNintenPyjak64The toxic players meaning those who actively used the parser to harass people, for the sake of harassing people. I can remember a good deal of complaints about people using the parsers for harassment, hell back in the i90 days, I was harassed myself on an alt for having low numbers with my horrible gear (doing Wanderer's Palace NM for tomes to get that better gear). They aren't the effect of a parser for sure, but sadly a lot of people do see it as that, and SE did as well, so they made a decision on it as a business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
Don't misunderstand me, I've played MMOs for years, and in those MMOs, especially WoW, I've seen less toxicity over DPS numbers then anything. I'm in full support of an official parser
Could not agree more. In a good run of the O4S dummy, I'm lucky to even see a second TFC. If I need to perform mechanics I want to try to optimize my DPS while performing mechanics. SSS will in no way, shape or form help me with that. Clearing it may be a baseline for your gear and your knowledge of your rotation, but putting that rotation into practice while executing the actual fight is another beast all togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by Ilan
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09-09-2017, 05:41 AMAstral145Indeed its true they can harass players for not pushing out numbers but its also true that they will complain or even kick healers for not dpsing. Anyway my point is players that harass other players will continue to do so with or w/out a parser.Quote:
Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64
On the flip side im not asking for a group parser all I want is a parser just for myself so i can see if im doing my job at its fullest. Granted I wouldn't mind a group parser but at the end of the day having my own parser that gives me an accurate dps would greatly improved the player base that wants to get better. Which i believe will greatly out weigh any negative pushback. -
09-09-2017, 08:04 AMDzianYou cannot have a personal parse though because the 7 people in your party can have a significant impact on your dps. That if you want to make any accurate assessments is something you need to take into account. Just a personal parse is of accurate fps is meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
I for example came out of a recent v1s run with 3.7k dps on my samurai
No-one can make any accurate assessments or judgements on that performance. No one can say I did well or did badly no one can say my dps should have been 4.7k or something. Essentially knowing just your dps tells you nothing at all. And for that reason a personal parser will never work
Which is why no one can say whether my recent 3.7k dps v1s run was a good result or a bad one. It's just not possible. The information is useless without anything to put it in context or explain the why.
If you think I'm wrong then tell me what my 3.7k means.
I'm not saying parsers are useless but to use them correctly requires a hell of a lot more information than just your personal fps. Because to make any accurate judgements you need to understand why your dps is what it is -
09-09-2017, 08:21 AMKabooaUndergeared, died, inexperienced at the fight, inexperienced at Samurai. Any or multiples of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
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09-09-2017, 09:08 AMDzianKinda proves my point. As you said it could be any of those things or any number of other things. Or any combination of any number of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
Just a dps number means nothing without all that other information that explains why. And that's why personal parses alone would be useless. -
09-09-2017, 10:30 AMKabooaIt's an objective measurement that you can use going forward and looking back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
You did 3.7k one week. You can get an estimate of how much of that was due to having an Astro, monk, red mage, bard, dragoon, etc.
you did 3.5k the last week. You can estimate .....
If you do 4.1k the next week, you can estimate....
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09-09-2017, 12:34 PMAstral145Exactly... We can use those numbers to gauge where we can improve rotations or if in need of gear/materia. We can also use those numbers to theory craft and improve your opener and sustained damage. There is a number of things you can do to improve your over all dps with a simple parser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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09-09-2017, 07:17 PMDzianI don't deny that. my argument is that if you want any of those estimates to be even remotely close to accurate you need a lot more information than just your personal dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
ACT is an absolutely amazing tool when used right and all the information it provides. hell so is fflogs when players use it correctly.
the point is you can't accurately estimate 2% of your overall dps or 10% of your dps on an add comes from having a ninja in your party for example without being able to see how often and when that ninja is using trick attack.
without all that extra information all your basically doing is plucking random numbers out of thin air.. like estimating the ast had balance up 60% of the time without any real way of knowing how accurate that is....
it creates a massive margin for error...
to make any reasonable conclusions you need so much more information than just your personal dps.
So how much do all those jobs contribute to your personal dps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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09-09-2017, 10:59 PMAstral145
The Devs can easily add in all group buffs that contribute to your personal dps on a personal parser and they can add in what you contribute to your groups damage just as easily. All that information is already logged on server side. So why not use it. With that said i dont need to see every player's damage read out in the group.
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09-10-2017, 02:34 AMDzianThe moment you ask for a personal parse to add in how much other people's buffs contribute to your dps it stops becoming a personal parse. Because now you can judge the rest of your party. Trick attack only contributed 0.5% of my dps. What was the ninja doing? The bed contributed nothing what the he'll??? It's not a personal parse anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astral145
The fact your asking for it to include this information kinda proves my point a personal parser wouldn't work because you need this information... -
09-10-2017, 04:02 AMKabooaA small amount of research will answer this, on an 'average' basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
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09-10-2017, 04:51 AMDzianOk so why so you need an exact dps number when your just gonna invalidate it with estimated averages...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
The whole reason people want parsers is for an accurate reading of there dps. You can't give them that with estimated averages.
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09-10-2017, 12:59 PMAstral145Adding group buffs only to the personal parser does not make it a group parser. What makes it a group parser is showing the damage dealt per second for each member in the group. Again I dont want to see each members damage as that can be used by trolls to harass players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzian
The whole point of wanting a personal parser is so that i can improve my rotations in all content. I am tired of guessing what my dps is. Sure i can memorize rotations...ect but how do I know for sure that I'm doing the rotations correctly w/out seeing what my actual dps is? There are too many players that get into harder content and are only contributing 50% of their full potential due to not having the ability to see their dps.