It's been an interesting experience. 4 times now have I been in platinum promotions. Results always ending with 2 wins, 3 losses.
Interestingly enough, only two of my losses have been extremely fair losses. The team just simply bested our team, and that's fine. I can handle those losses.
The rest of the losses were due to healers being heavily outscale from the other healers.
So, according to my own personal statistics, I've had the following:
2 fair losses: healers were around the same level, the following players were either platinum, diamond, or high gold.
10 majorly unscaled losses via healers: silver healer vs Plat healer. Interesting.
All the wins: Fair matches, close games, usually resulted in losses by a few medals or sudden death. Healers were on the same skill level.
As I was writing out this post, I entered the first match of my 5th promotional. Again, Silver healer vs Platinum Healer. Although I must give this silver healer some credit, considering who he was up against he did very well. But still, did not do as well as the Platinum healer.
Healing is an outrageously difficult class to play for ranked, especially at higher levels. Especially when the healer is being focused. The pressure is on and honestly, your options are limited. Concentrate and Purify aren't bad additional traits to take, but at the same time you lose one valuable additional skill (safeguard, recuperate, muse.)
It seems that this issue has increased heavily since all the good, higher leveled healers easily made it to the top 100. They are allowed to slow down on their ranks, only having the few who are ambitious enough to reach top 10 or even number 1 still participate.
So how to we purpose a different solution? It is a known fact that healers are heavily, heavily, heavily, depended on. Their skill level typically needs to be higher than the rest of the team. They have to keep up with the dps/tanks that doesn't think of their well being as well, those who accidentally interrupts their healing when they run behind walls or pillars.
We can't suggest separate class ranks, because if we have the top 100 healers, top 100 ranged dps, top 100 melee dps, and top 100 tanks then we'll experience even less healers.
We can't buff the defenses of healers as they will be insanely overpowered. But if we nerf the defenses of healers then they'll have even a harder time keeping themselves alive when 3 people focus them.
So what do we do?
Obviously this medal system is out of date for the new style of pvp. Tweaking the classes will not work for it anymore. But maybe there is another alternative; a complete overhaul to the way ranked matches work in general.
I know there is a new pvp mode coming out real soon, but perhaps we could see ranked turn into an objective based pvp, instead of the "kill x who has the highest amount of medals, squishiest, etc" system.
Teams work towards collecting the objectives instead of actually killing each other. Of course, killing enemy players will help with collecting these objectives, but the loss of a healer or a tank etc won't be nearly as demanding and hurtful to the team either. That way, lower scaled players will still stand a chance, and the higher they climb of course the better they get.
Think of it a smaller scaled frontlines. I feel like a new revamp to ranked is all we need.
Attempting Plat Promos for the 5th time made me think...
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09-05-2017, 08:17 AMAchaNoYumiAttempting Plat Promos for the 5th time made me think...
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09-05-2017, 08:23 AMCaitlinzulu
Guess its me this time to tell you you can make your post and then edit it to get past the 1000 character limit.
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09-05-2017, 08:24 AMAchaNoYumiI didnt know that! Thanks for letting me know. :o Is there a way I can delete these posts then? LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu
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09-05-2017, 11:48 PMStormfur
If I remember right, it was actually asked on one of the Live Letters if we would have separate rankings for tanks/healers/DPS and the dev team said no.
That being said, I agree wholeheartedly that PVP in Feast is very, very, very healer-centric. I tried healing in Feast and I'd rather eat shards of glass. It is very difficult which makes me admire a good PVP healer that much more! -
09-06-2017, 03:18 AM-IronWolf-
Brace yourself, it only gets worse from platinum. You will truly feel the healer problem once you hit 1600 and start losing 20 points every time RNG is bad to you and you get a silver healer against a diamond top 20 one. And trust me, it happens a lot, after a 30 minute queue just to put the cherry on top.
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09-06-2017, 03:53 AMDrWho2010
i'm still stuck in silver ranked hell because i can't get a good healer who wont **** the bed. I get to my gold qualifier matches lose because of bad healers (i had one that intentionally threw 2 of my matches). get back up to the qualifier again only to lose again because of bad healers.
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09-06-2017, 04:25 AMKfLeXOh I know what you mean, Feast is the true grind.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
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09-06-2017, 08:38 AMTheodricI'm in a similar situation. I think it's utterly ridiculous that people can rush to a high rank early on and then sit on it for most of the season without having to do much at all to maintain it. I'm in silver myself - slowly working my way up to gold. It's not even a case of the healers in my team being bad but rather a case of them being pitted against players they shouldn't be fighting at the level of progression they're at. The difference between a silver and platinum healer is typically immense so there's an unfair advantage to whichever team has the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
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09-06-2017, 09:01 AMKfLeXWell almost lost my second Plat today, feels badQuote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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09-06-2017, 02:17 PMZhamkyongWell, i am on my 4th trying to move to silver. Like the OP, 2 wins and 3 loses everytime, it does not fail. It is strange how i had no ranked member who had more common sense than gold tier players in those matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrWho2010
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09-06-2017, 05:52 PMLalaRu
Let's stop matching different tiers? Unranked vs Unranked, Silvers vs Silvers and so on. Worth a try.
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09-06-2017, 07:11 PMZhamkyongIs there enough people for that? At least in my datacenter I usually see the same participants at some times. I would welcome that change if it were viable.Quote:
Originally Posted by LalaRu
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09-06-2017, 07:57 PMSuperZayJust a reminder that it comes out in 4.15 which is at least two months from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AchaNoYumi
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09-06-2017, 08:35 PMZojhaBluntly put: It isn't. They tried to do with one tier difference max in the past and that already slowed queues to a crawl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhamkyong
Matchmaking really isn't anything you can fix, because that requires lots and lots of people and getting those isn't easy. Doubly so when the gameplay is miserable. And even then, even if you manage to match people within no more than 50-75 Elo difference between the highest and the lowest player, people will still complain about matchmaking.
Expect matchmaking in this game to forever be wonky. The only thing you can do with the given playerbase is match by average and ensure that every role is equal in terms of power and impact so the average can cancel each other out. That's all you can do. And they simply woefully fail at balancing the roles, they don't even seem willing to. The OP has realized as much and now suggests to make PvP less about fighting actual players and more about objectives to circumvent that failure - The devs had a similar idea with Shatter. After all I heard of Rival Wings and the inclusion of war machines, I expect them to double down on that approach. I doubt it's gonna become a thing for ranked, though, at most they'll add a third map with that principle to the rotation. -
09-07-2017, 12:08 AMZhamkyongThat's why i said that i would welcome it if it were viable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
Dom't missunderstand me, i dont expect every matchmaking to be perfect so i can go with the golden team at all times (my wish), i am just starting advance on the tunnel of the frustration it gives to be at one win to advance in the rankings and them bam, everything goes down the drain for some reason. *Deleted phrase* I was going to write about why i am losing and bla bla bla... Matchmaking is wonky in every game i have played, even if it would be viable here just to pair us with out ranking tier the problem would be the same i believe :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
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09-07-2017, 01:29 AMCynricThought they said 4.1 in the Live letter, which is early october.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperZay
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09-07-2017, 03:29 AMSuperZayIt's pretty clearly says it's in 4.15.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynric
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09-07-2017, 03:47 AMCynricOh I didn't read the english thread, I just stayed up and watched the letter, I probably just misheard them since I was tired.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperZay
That's a shame it's so far away Thanks though.