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I have been playing PUG lately and been seeing some big problems with it. I played as THF on ffxi and PUG is THF/MNK/RDM in one. I think i have found some ways to balance pugs to have more even match which the game of ffxiv.

Pugs need more types of Elemental Fists. Right now only Fire and Stone are covered.
Also another problem is these cost MP to use. PUG needs a Ability that gains himself MP.

PUG needs the following

-Evasion Up Ability
-Job Trait which lets him gain MP "Auto Refresh"
-Bonus Damage when Attacking Enemies from behind
-More Damage from Elemental Fists
-Monsters need to be more weaker by Fists and there Weakness to that Elemental
-Job Trait that boosts there Evasion When they have max hate. (Will make Taunt more useful)
- Using Taunt Boosts your Dex/Crit Attack damage.
- Can use Second Wind as a 3rd Combo in a Weapon Skill without TP cost.
- Needs to more Enemies weaker to Blunt based Damage
- A Ability which can be either learned from another class or PUG which gives big chunk of MP to the player with a recast time of like 10-20mins.
- A None WS Ability to Stun the enemy for 3-5secs at a time which can only be reuse every 3mins.
- Increase the Amount of HP healed by 3rd Combo Second Wind.

This would make it a good Evasion Tank and a Decent Self-Healer when its doing 3 combo setup for free Second Winds. It would make use of the ability Taunt more useful also. Also even when its not a tank it would have increased auto-attack behind the enemy. It would be more of a elemental fighter choosing its Elements more wisely for every type of Monster.

Let's just make every class unbearably overpowered.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Let's just make every class unbearably overpowered.

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Not that this is over powered list. Its a list for both other classes and Puglists. Right now Puglists dont really have a play style or many of them to use. They don't play a role in a group which is why they suck.

I play PUG and doing 2 combos for it pretty low compared to MRD & LNC. Its like 1/4. Doing 3 way Combo for Free Boosted Second wind is quite hard. So even if they had boosted Evasion it would still have low def and will not be able to support heal itself that well.

Puglists having Taunt is kinda bad since it makes them some sorta Tank. Since they do its a good idea to give it a boost. Provoke got added Boost. They added Elemental Fists which is sign that this class will be alot like Redmage was post to be in FFXI. A Elemental Fighting Job. The Problem is Noone really used Enfire, Enfira etc in FFXI for redmages in a party.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Let's just make every class unbearably overpowered.

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i like your train of thought.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Let's just make every class unbearably overpowered.

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Annnnnnnd thread.

Can my lancer spam fireballs, please? He's Chuck Norris, Van Damme and Bruce Lee in one. And this would really balance lancer... at least mine ;P

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Originally Posted by Venat

PUG needs the following

-Evasion Up Ability

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First of all Pugalist allready has Evasion up check the traits tab next time you play.

Second of all Pugalist is as far from thief as possible aside from being evasive and having a single trait that depends on if your behind the monster. As much as they started out calling it the "Theif" class it does few things a thief really does.

Why do the fists cost MP? Maybe because they are not meant to be maintained indefinatly the few times you actually need to get MP back is when you generally get your HP back...between fights.

1. Jobs are designed to specialize any given class. SE will never make PGL (or any class for that matter) a "super" THF, RDM, and MNK all in one. Its very possible it will have independent THF RDM and MNK(confirmed) jobs but it won't be, as said above, an "overpowered" superclass.

2. Most of your post is already being addressed with the MNK job. The MP aspect of the class is an issue but it is an appropriate one, if PGL was able to remain under the effect of its Fist attacks indefinitely then the class would be very broken. MNK is going to introduce a weapon skill that combos from Sucker Punch which will help alleviate the MP worries somewhat.

3. Once we gain Fists of Wind with MNK, extra Fist attacks would be nice (and will probably appear over time with level cap increases) but are rather unnecessary. If you play PGL correctly (that is, equipping INT gear like SE suggested with the new stat rebalances) then you will notice a dramatic boost in damage on the proper enemies. Doing 5-star GC leves I am usually pitted against Ice Wind Fire and Lightning elementals. All of which are lv52 and I have 302 INT.

Bare handed damage - 70~80 against all of them
Fists of Fire against Ice Elementals is the most prominent boost and each strike does 170~190 damage with 200+ crits. Against Wind and Fire elementals, I only do about 7~10 damage per hit :P and against all the other neutral elements I average about 100~130 depending on the elemental. Against those Fire and Wind elementals I usually change to Fists of Earth and put out that 100~120 damage again and I usually can get 150~170 damage per hit against the Lightning Elementals. (Fists of Earth doesn't grant the same attack bonus that Fists of Fire does) Changing from elementals to normal lv52 monsters, just subtract about 20~50 damage from all of the above numbers.

My highest damage on a lv52 Ice Elemental with Fists of Fire and a Combo'd Howling Fist with Blindside was 2305 damage. The elemental fist attacks work just fine, they just need to be used properly. While Fists of Wind will be undeniably useful against Ifrit (course, there will be a new primal by then, thanks SE >:| Can't yet us PGL's shine? ; ; Hopefully its Shiva so we can ra... do terrible things to her) it won't be absolutely necessary. Like I said, Fists of Fire works against anything that isn't Fire or Wind based, Fists of Earth takes care of anything that is.

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Originally Posted by Razor

Hopefully its Shiva so we can ra... do terrible things to her) it won't be absolutely necessary.

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Isn't Garuda the next one?

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Originally Posted by Venat

PUG needs the following

-PUG needs a Ability that gains himself MP. CHECK (They already have it)
-Evasion Up Ability CHECK (They already have it)
-Job Trait which lets him gain MP "Auto Refresh" No, They do not live off MP alone, they do not need abilities of those that do
-Bonus Damage when Attacking Enemies from behind CHECK (They already have it)
-More Damage from Elemental Fists No, its fine
-Monsters need to be more weaker by Fists and there Weakness to that Elemental Mobs resist are fine
-Job Trait that boosts there Evasion When they have max hate. (Will make Taunt more useful) No its fine as is
- Using Taunt Boosts your Dex/Crit Attack damage. WTF, I thought you mentioned balance.
- Can use Second Wind as a 3rd Combo in a Weapon Skill without TP cost. LMAO, no I can't even take you seriously anymore



- Needs to more Enemies weaker to Blunt based Damage
- A Ability which can be either learned from another class or PUG which gives big chunk of MP to the player with a recast time of like 10-20mins.
- A None WS Ability to Stun the enemy for 3-5secs at a time which can only be reuse every 3mins.
- Increase the Amount of HP healed by 3rd Combo Second Wind.

This would make it a good Evasion Tank and a Decent Self-Healer when its doing 3 combo setup for free Second Winds. It would make use of the ability Taunt more useful also. Also even when its not a tank it would have increased auto-attack behind the enemy. It would be more of a elemental fighter choosing its Elements more wisely for every type of Monster.

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Okay, I could tolerate it up to the last one that I comment on, after that I just italicized the rest as I didn't read it. I can't even take you seriously after starting off mentioning logic, then spiraling off to such illogical, overdemands.

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

Isn't Garuda the next one?

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I'm not sure at this point which one is next. While we did see the weapons in the 2.0 teaser distinctly labeled "Garuda", there was that Petyr Winsome convo translated and copied onto the forums that discussed a beast race from the "snowy mountain to the north" that worshiped Shiva.

I was also saying I hope it is Shiva only because Ice is what we are strongest against, and Ifrit and Shiva (when she appears) might become MNK-only parties with Fists of Wind and Fists of Fire respectively :p

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Originally Posted by Coglin

Okay, I could tolerate it up to the last one that I comment on, after that I just italicized the rest as I didn't read it. I can't even take you seriously after starting off mentioning logic, then spiraling off to such illogical, overdemands.

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Iunno... that 250 TP is such a doozie... Uses up so much TP I can rarely Combo properly :P

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Originally Posted by Razor

I was also saying I hope it is Shiva only because Ice is what we are strongest against, and Ifrit and Shiva (when she appears) might become MNK-only parties with Fists of Wind and Fists of Fire respectively :p

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I hope they make Shiva immune to physical damage... jk lol

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Originally Posted by Razor

I'm not sure at this point which one is next. While we did see the weapons in the 2.0 teaser distinctly labeled "Garuda", there was that Petyr Winsome convo translated and copied onto the forums that discussed a beast race from the "snowy mountain to the north" that worshiped Shiva.

I was also saying I hope it is Shiva only because Ice is what we are strongest against, and Ifrit and Shiva (when she appears) might become MNK-only parties with Fists of Wind and Fists of Fire respectively :p

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Garuda is next I believe. . . Then Titan and Leviathan. . . Shiva and Ramuh haven't even been confirmed as far as we know.
They put of Titan and Leviathan due to the uh. . . Unfortunate occurrence earlier this past year.

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

I hope they make Shiva immune to physical damage... jk lol

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Haha that would be brutal. THM burn! Joking aside, monsters that changed up which type of damage they were weak against (Like when the Shadow Lord in XI became invincible to either physical damage or magic damage) would make for more interesting fights and stir up some well deserved demand for PGL. The age of "throw lancers or archers at it" needs to end!

Easy Mode <Can I have it?>

Pug only needs one things HUNDRED FISTS OF FURY!!

Garuda is the next with 1.22

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Mid April 2012 - Patch 1.22 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Garuda (Primal) battle./ Battle system balance adjustments
⇒Garlean Empire battle content

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Idk how he played pgl and said they don't have the certain thing alrdy when they do <.<..

OP should be using Featherfoot for MP "refresh" as often as possible (and follow it with Haymaker each time). Provides a decent MP boost and allows elemental fists to stay up for a sufficient amount of time. You can take down elemental fists for a fight or two and refresh MP to full this way too.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Garuda is the next with 1.22

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And MNK gets Fists of Wind w/ 1.21...plenty of time to test that out on Ifrit :D

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Originally Posted by Coldfire

I hope they make Shiva immune to physical damage... jk lol

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If that's the case I think PGL would still be good cause I'm pretty sure your Fists of Fire count as full Fire damage instead of "physical + X fire damage", which is why it heals ifrit :p

First off, Pugilists aren't tanks anymore (by design, they can still be used in that way in some cases). So that's why they aren't getting as many "evasion tanking" skills, because they're DPS now.

Secondly, Making Pugilists broken isn't the way to make them "useful" because they already are. About the only thing I do agree with is that Pugilists could use an MP Restore ability that isn't tied to anything like dodging an attack or setting up a combo. Or really, that Monk could use it because Monk seems to have multiple MP draining modes that you can have up all at the same time.

Or maybe they could just de-nerf the cooldown on Featherfoot, I don't know. Something.

OP clearly has no idea how to play Pugilist. Also quite clueless about what skills it already has.

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Originally Posted by Rau

Let's just make every class unbearably overpowered.

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No, it's better to just let Archer alone overpowered.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

No, it's better to just let Archer alone overpowered.

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Except Archer isn't overpowered. It's the easiest and safest.

90% of what is listed is already in the game... Learn your class...

Well you should never forget lvl 50 won't be the max level, so if they planned the current battle reform with that in mind (It seems they did) Pugilist/Monk will get more Elemental Fists as they level, so we will probably end with a full elemental array of enhancements to maximize our dps.

Also at the moment if you are trying to get a edge on your dps it's simple: if fire fist aren't effective.. use earth, even if the enemy isn't weak to earth, almost all the time he will be weaker to earth than to physical dmg (ifrit example), also in bosses just use earth of fire fists when doing a strong WS or combo, unless the enemy is really weak to them or you will run out of MP fast.

Ifrit proves to be quite fun and challenging as Pugilist, I've beat it quite a lot of times, if you use earth fists just to enhance the damage of WSs (mainly howlist fist) you will never run out of mp (when he's in enrage and does triple jumps you can easily recover 150-300 mp).

As it is now, Pugilist is great imo. It's true it still lacks some combo's for raid content (when howling fist in in CD :p) as we generate TP really fast and we should get more elemental enhancements, but i'm kinda sure that monk and level cap raise will fix that ^^.

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Originally Posted by gahoo

OP should be using Featherfoot for MP "refresh" as often as possible (and follow it with Haymaker each time). Provides a decent MP boost and allows elemental fists to stay up for a sufficient amount of time.

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Not to mention Haymaker has a pretty high chance to stun the target, making positioning for combos easy even when soloing.

My favorite is still Featherfoot->Haymaker *stun*->Pounce *stun* -> Demolish -> Howling Fist (or just sucker punch)

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

Or maybe they could just de-nerf the cooldown on Featherfoot, I don't know. Something.

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Keen Flurry -> Featherfoot!
j/k, j/k! *runs away dodging stones*