$$$ to unlock an item/emote for 1 character = awful, but per ACCOUNT..?

It still wouldn't be great, but it would at least be better than the current setup, which actually discourages me from spending money...

If I've bought a few optional items for my character, I'm less likely to want to upgrade and level a new character because I know that character won't have any of these items.

Conversely, if I pay the upgraded sub, I'm not going to want to spend the money to buy these items for each additional character.

At this point, they could retroactively make these account wide by ensuring these items are purchasable from the calamity salvager on every character on the account (and maybe some gold feathers for anyone who has bought them for multiple characters, like X feathers for each character you bought it for after the first).

Cash shop items in other MMOs tend to be account-wide (with obvious exceptions like jump potions, renaming, etc.). It'd be nice if SE followed suit, here...

Yeah, I love my alts, but it is discouraging to not have some stuff on them. I wish they would do something about the disconnect.

I have a house my main, can't use it with my alts, etc etc etc.

You would think that if I pay more for a service, they would make it just a bit more player friendly.

The only great thing about alts is, I have three retainers per character XDD

I only use one character at all times and even I think that locking most stuff to a single character is cheeky.

I've not used the cash shop at all since its implementation sans the Eternal Bonding goodies, but the sale might see me pick up a few things, I do hope they start making more stuff account wide.

IMO I think all cash shop purchases in regards to minions, mounts, glamours, emotes should be account wide to all characters on the account while keeping consumables such as dyes and fantasia and furnature items as single character per purchase. Though the bigger annoyance to me is that if I make an alt on the same world as my main my alt doesn't have access to my house on my main or an easier way to transfer things from 1 character to another since I haven't found a way to mail anything to an alt either after making one as an experiment.

I'm in support of most cash shop items being account wide.

I think this is once again a case of terrible implementation rather than them being against the idea.

I seem to recall them mentioning once that all account wide stuff had to be saved in a database and they didn't want too much stuff in there for stability reasons or something?

But if they changed it for stuff bought on mogstation, to allow any character on the account to buy from calamity salvager instead of the current mogmail system maybe they can get over that hurdle.

Of course can't really buy an 'emote' from the salvager so that's still an exception.

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I think this is once again a case of terrible implementation rather than them being against the idea.

I seem to recall them mentioning once that all account wide stuff had to be saved in a database and they didn't want too much stuff in there for stability reasons or something?

But if they changed it for stuff bought on mogstation, to allow any character on the account to buy from calamity salvager instead of the current mogmail system maybe they can get over that hurdle.

Of course can't really buy an 'emote' from the salvager so that's still an exception.

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Sure you can. You can purchase dances from the gold saucer, those are emotes, they can put them on a scroll like the dances.

Also when you buy them from the mog station they come via moogle mail and you use the item to learn the emotes.

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Sure you can. You can purchase dances from the gold saucer, those are emotes, they can put them on a scroll like the dances.

Also when you buy them from the mog station they come via moogle mail and you use the item to learn the emotes.

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So they could use the item on the calamity salvager. Perhaps they could also implement a check like they have for unique + untradeable minions you already have when they drop in a duty, so if you have it, it'll say "You already have this emote and can not purchase it."

At least you don't have to pay $34 dollars for a costume that can only be used by one character :)

But yea its not just xiv that does this. I think no matter what is said they won't change the current system.

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Sure you can. You can purchase dances from the gold saucer, those are emotes, they can put them on a scroll like the dances.

Also when you buy them from the mog station they come via moogle mail and you use the item to learn the emotes.

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Ahh, cool. I've never bought a dance before so wasn't aware of that.

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It still wouldn't be great, but it would at least be better than the current setup, which actually discourages me from spending money...

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Agreed! At the prices they're charging the stuff really should be account wide. The MMO's I play charge typically $9-$12 for a single character outfit, some allow them to be mailed to other characters on your account. I don't mind paying that price at all. Charging me $18 or more for an outfit with no account sharing options, let alone no wardrobe to even store the outfit pieces in, so four or five more pieces to keep track of what retainer or wherever I stored it in. It could be the most amazing and beautiful outfit ever and no I still won't buy it due to the price to the lack of options to the hassle of it.

Alternatively to the outfits being account wide. If SE ever does figure out how to put in a wardrobe system. An account wide wardrobe would be just as okay.

It's the reason I don't buy anything from it. Not having it account wide is a really big turn off from purchasing anything from it!

This game does not encourage you to have multiple characters, sadly I highly doubt they would do anything regarding the lock considering it brings them money :/

I believe Yoshi-P explained it once that if they made all of the purchases account wide it would take up too much server space or something, because they'd need to add another "reminder" to one's account every time a new character is created. How true this is I don't know, but that was his answer of it. I believe it was asked about in a Live Letter Q&A not too long ago (if someone remembers and can link me to the actual source).

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I believe Yoshi-P explained it once that if they made all of the purchases account wide it would take up too much server space or something, because they'd need to add another "reminder" to one's account every time a new character is created. How true this is I don't know, but that was his answer of it. I believe it was asked about in a Live Letter Q&A not too long ago (if someone remembers and can link me to the actual source).

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Now that they drop the Ps3 support we will have "server limitation"
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IMO I think all cash shop purchases in regards to minions, mounts, glamours, emotes should be account wide to all characters on the account while keeping consumables such as dyes and fantasia and furnature items as single character per purchase. Though the bigger annoyance to me is that if I make an alt on the same world as my main my alt doesn't have access to my house on my main or an easier way to transfer things from 1 character to another since I haven't found a way to mail anything to an alt either after making one as an experiment.

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This what I hoped!

I still wonder why it basically isn't that way. Nowadays a MMO try to do the most account wide as possible especially to encourage people playing more. Gw2 is the best example for this. Even WoW, which launched in 2004, became more and more account wide, for achievement, minions, mount and even glamour. And here on FFXIV, launched on 2013, we're still stuck with everything linked to the character which doesn't motivate anyone to make another character. The only motivation would probably be a friend.

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At least you don't have to pay $34 dollars for a costume that can only be used by one character :)

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Sounds like some kind of BDO experience :rolleyes:

Interestingly enough we can share macros now between alts. Would be nice if they increased this capability to mounts, housing access and more. The having to pay for each item on mogstation for many of them there is just not fair and we already pay an additional monthly fee for our alts.

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Interestingly enough we can share macros now between alts. Would be nice if they increased this capability to mounts, housing access and more. The having to pay for each item on mogstation for many of them there is just not fair and we already pay an additional monthly fee for our alts.

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I agree that all this things should be account wide, but the macro example doesn't work cause macros are saved locally, on your PC. The server doesn't even know they exist.

Stop buying things that aren't account wide. Problem solved.

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IMO I think all cash shop purchases in regards to minions, mounts, glamours, emotes should be account wide to all characters on the account while keeping consumables such as dyes and fantasia and furnature items as single character per purchase. Though the bigger annoyance to me is that if I make an alt on the same world as my main my alt doesn't have access to my house on my main or an easier way to transfer things from 1 character to another since I haven't found a way to mail anything to an alt either after making one as an experiment.

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All of this stuff should really be account based except the consumables. There's no acceptable excuse for character locking this stuff. And before anyone comes in and tries to educate me on economics, I'm well aware of the business case - though I think account locking with a lower price tier for single character versions has a better business case. Regardless, the business case is not an acceptable excuse for the anti-consumer pricing and usage limitations imposed on MogStation items.

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I believe Yoshi-P explained it once that if they made all of the purchases account wide it would take up too much server space or something, because they'd need to add another "reminder" to one's account every time a new character is created. How true this is I don't know, but that was his answer of it. I believe it was asked about in a Live Letter Q&A not too long ago (if someone remembers and can link me to the actual source).

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That was said some time ago, before the upgraded servers and expanded inventory space. IMHO it's a poor excuse at best, and no longer relevant in any case.

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Interestingly enough we can share macros now between alts. Would be nice if they increased this capability to mounts, housing access and more. The having to pay for each item on mogstation for many of them there is just not fair and we already pay an additional monthly fee for our alts.

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Macros are saved client side, after all. All what was done was adding an extra macro file that is shared by all characters.

Ownership of items, on the other hand, is saved by server side

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All of this stuff should really be account based except the consumables.

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And except event items that was not account wide during the event

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And except event items that was not account wide during the event

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But as it is in most MMOs, events items shouldn't end in Mogstation but be available at least the next year if not every years.

It already is a problem it ends in mogstation, they at least need to be account wide.

This game looks more and more designed to fit the chinese market :s

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I believe Yoshi-P explained it once that if they made all of the purchases account wide it would take up too much server space or something

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Every time I see this excuse, I can really only have one response: LOL.

Just... get it together, SE...

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Every time I see this excuse, I can really only have one response: LOL.

Just... get it together, SE...

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I get the feeling that whoever is responsible for their database servers is a gigantic tightwad and is like "NO, WE CAN'T SPEND MONEY ON A BETTER BACKEND!!" at every turn.

And that's the polar opposite of how it should be: the database is the very LAST place you want to skimp when it comes to developing an MMO...

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I get the feeling that whoever is responsible for their database servers is a gigantic tightwad and is like "NO, WE CAN'T SPEND MONEY ON A BETTER BACKEND!!" at every turn.

And that's the polar opposite of how it should be: the database is the very LAST place you want to skimp when it comes to developing an MMO...

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I would rather have someone who is fanatical about protecting the database against being overstressed than someone who takes a more laissez faire approach. The protective admin will preside over a system which is reliable and performs well, the other will constantly be in meetings to discuss failures of the system or poor performance. Which would you prefer?

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I would rather have someone who is fanatical about protecting the database against being overstressed than someone who takes a more laissez faire approach. The protective admin will preside over a system which is reliable and performs well, the other will constantly be in meetings to discuss failures of the system or poor performance. Which would you prefer?

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It's more that the database and associated systems sound like they're extremely poorly designed that's the issue.

I believe it was said that the system uploads the entirety of every character's database every 15 seconds or something, which is why there are so many issues about not letting the database get too large.

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It's more that the database and associated systems sound like they're extremely poorly designed that's the issue.

I believe it was said that the system uploads the entirety of every character's database every 15 seconds or something, which is why there are so many issues about not letting the database get too large.

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Yikes, if that's true it does sound like a lot of unnecessary data is being loaded. :(

I know I would buy more stuff from there if it was account wide. I refuse to buy single character only items though and always will. Fantasias dyes and furniture I can see as an exception though

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It's more that the database and associated systems sound like they're extremely poorly designed that's the issue.

I believe it was said that the system uploads the entirety of every character's database every 15 seconds or something, which is why there are so many issues about not letting the database get too large.

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That's not poor design. That's designed to ensure that rollbacks are not an issue if you get disconnected. If they were to go the route of transaction logs, it would make eco very more difficult and the server would be running a crapton of additional logs. You say that they sound extremely poorly designed? I'd say that your comment was extremely dismissive and glib, unless of course you have experience designing multiple MMORPG databases and administering them.

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That's not poor design. That's designed to ensure that rollbacks are not an issue if you get disconnected.

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I can't recall ever disconnecting in other MMOs and losing items or progress I'd already made. They are definitely doing something different, and I really don't think it's helping them in ways that are worth it.

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I can't recall ever disconnecting in other MMOs and losing items or progress I'd already made. They are definitely doing something different, and I really don't think it's helping them in ways that are worth it.

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