Given the size of many mobs and bosses, and similar to the issue with Dragon Sight, can we please get the miniscule 6y range increased? The way it works now you pretty much have to stand inside the boss for it to trigger correctly.
*edit* to clarify if anyone is unfamiliar. It is 6y to the center of the mob. You normally fight a large mob outside this range.
Holmgang need a range increase.
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08-13-2017, 01:51 AMRhynHolmgang need a range increase.
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08-13-2017, 05:26 AMDWolfwood
Might be exaggerating to say you have to stand inside the boss, but I do agree that a small increase to the range is a modest request that would go a long way in QoL for WAR.
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08-13-2017, 05:44 AMaqskerorokero
that is what war pays for a short cd invulnerability......
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08-13-2017, 07:08 AMDeceptusYou're not invulnerable at all while it's active. . .Quote:
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Agree OP, it needs a much longer range. So does Tomahawk/Lob/whatever the dark knight one is -
08-13-2017, 08:07 AMaleph_null
Why would you even not be within melee range from the boss? I really can't think of any situation where I'd want to holmgang away from a boss.
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08-13-2017, 08:10 AMRhynHallowed Ground - complete invulnerability for 10 sec.Quote:
Originally Posted by aqskerorokero
Living Dead - can't be reduced below 1 hp for 10 sec. I have never seen the walking dead status matter, ever.
Holmgang - can't be reduced below 1 hp for 6 sec. Needs a target. You are immobile and can't dodge that telegraph that is assuredly coming for your face.
There are plenty of downsides to justify the shorter cooldown already. Having the ability straight up -not trigger- when you need it because you fought a boss at a normal distance instead of inside him should not be one of them. Yes that is hyperbole, but I've had Holmgang not trigger so many times at a normal fighting distance.
It's 6y to the center of the mob. While other attacks don't seem to work this way, so you normally fight a large boss outside this 6y range.Quote:
Originally Posted by aleph_null
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08-13-2017, 08:25 AMaleph_null
6y is double the max range of your melee skills, I can't think of a boss fight where I can hit the boss but not holmgang. Mind telling me where you're having trouble?
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08-13-2017, 08:25 AMLythI don't think this is correct. I've used Holmgang on both Bahamut and Alex back when it was cool to do so, and I haven't yet run into distance issues even when standing at the edge of a large boss' hitbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyn
Actually, there's a reason why you don't want a very large radius on Holmgang. It has a hidden function: you can reposition mobs and interrupt some actions that would otherwise be interruptable by activating Holmgang and jumping outside of its active range. This causes the game to pull the mob/player towards you, in some cases interrupting its cast. Historically, the only way to interrupt a Dreadwash cast in Leviathan Ex once it started was to Holmgang jump it. Holmgang also negates knockbacks in some cases, which is another reason why the range check is handy.
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08-13-2017, 08:27 AMDWolfwoodI can say that I've been on Apanda as MT and out of range to use Holmgang on Halicanarssus due to OT positioning several times as she's casting Critical Hit. Granted, I use it on on Apanda, but it's a situation nonetheless.Quote:
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08-13-2017, 08:33 AMaleph_nullIf you're hitting the apanda during critical hit then why not just holmgang on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DWolfwood
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08-13-2017, 08:16 PMTintQuote:
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do you even read?Quote:
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i guess the answer is: "no" ^^Quote:
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08-14-2017, 03:00 AMaleph_nullI've cleared every normal/savage raid and ex trial released since 3.0, I seriously have no idea where you'd have trouble using holmgang when you can hit the target. I'm not aware of any boss with more than 3y hitbox radius (6y diametre), since that'd be the only possible case where you can hit the boss at max melee range but not holmgang it. Not to mention that when you're tanking the boss it'll follow you if you try to move away to max melee range from it, unless it's a stationary boss like a9s refurbisher, though I don't think he's big enough to give you difficulties to holmgang. Maybe you can tell me, because clearly the person I quoted didn't mention any specific example?Quote:
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Edit: Well maybe some fate bosses or hunts are big enough, not sure though.
I probably worded it badly, should've asked why would you want to holmgang the boss if you're hitting apanda. Thanks for pointing it out.Quote:
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08-14-2017, 07:19 AMTint
haha, i don't play WAR, i have no idea xD
the biggest boss i remember is Nidhogg. his hitbox is huuuuge
sephirot (last phase) and shinryu have gigantig hitboxes too. if we get an extreme version of shinryu this could cause problems with holmgang. -
08-14-2017, 07:57 AMaleph_null
Oh good example, nidhogg hitbox in the first phase is definitely very big, but there's no reason to holmgang in that phase, and you should probably be standing inside the hitbox to get raid buffs. Even in the last phase I don't remember having trouble using holmgang but I most probably weren't standing at max melee range from the edge of the hitbox. I don't think you'll ever have trouble using holmgang unless you're consciously trying to stand as far away as possible from the boss though.
I may not be the most experienced war player, but from over 2 years playing, I have never even seen holmgang's range as a limitation or annoyance (granted, I never knew some ways of using it like pulling mobs to cancel their cast as mentioned earlier in this thread), since everytime I use holmgang I still want to hit the boss, so I won't be too far away from it. My reaction to this request is more like "why would you even want that?" instead of "no holmgang is fine the way it is" so I want to know if I'm missing anything. -
08-15-2017, 02:03 AMShinkyo
Holmgang, like every ability, is based on distance to the enemy's hitbox. Basically, as long as you're in melee range, you can use Holmgang so you shouldn't have any issue with it (assuming you do want to keep hitting the boss).
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08-15-2017, 02:12 AMCanadane
I've been warrior since forever and I've never seen this as an issue.
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08-15-2017, 02:22 AMOgulbuk
I never seen an issue with range, however, maybe I suck, but I have died more often than not because of Holmgang. I have only felt the need for it in big pulls after going through all other cooldowns available to me, and the self-immob combined with short duration has more than once made me die to an AoE because the thing wore off leaving me with not enough time to move away from tons of telegraphed AoE.
I'd gladly take an increased recharge if some penalties got alleviated.