Anyone Else Find Sprint No Longer Using TP Making Tanks Even Worse?

I just had a lovely experience of a tank sprinting off while I was typing and he pulled an enormous amount. Even with sprint I had no hope of catching up until he stopped but by then he had less than 20% hp. When we wipe all I get told was "you panicked" "use sprint" and "I had Living Dead on, you had plenty of time to heal".

This is far from the first time I have seen this happen as a healer or as a dps watching this happen to another healer.

Sprint used to be my panic button for "oh s*** the tank has ran off ahead without waiting for anyone" but now that they can also sprint, I got nothing.

I can heal chain pulling tanks no problem provided I'm actually in range to heal them. Unfortunately many tanks tunnel while they pull and don't consider that healing has a limited range. Many also seem unaware of their hp, and pull additional packs when they have less than 30% hp.

Honestly this is very much making me lose my taste for duty roulette. I pugged no problem throughout HW but the change to sprint in SB is seriously making me consider refusing to heal any dungeons without a tank from my fc.

In HW I very rarely saw healer in need for duty roulette, now I see it so often in SB. I'm sure in a lot of cases sprinting tanks have something to do with it.

I know nothing is going to change, but hell I'll vent here and maybe some other healers will too and we'll all feel a bit better.

EDIT:To those telling me to sprint....read the post. I did sprint.

I even managed to type while auto sprinting to ask the tank to stay in range but he made no effort to. He either didn't see what I said or chose to ignore it.

I'll never understand why a tank would use sprint in the first place in a dungeon after aggroing a mob. Just run with your team . . . problem (mostly) solved.

Anyway assuming you as the healer are geared properly and using heals over DPSing, if the tank still dies because he pulled a million mobs then the fault lies 100% with the tank. Grinding dungeons in this game shouldn't be stressful to anyone involved. If it is then you're doing it wrong haha.

What exactly were you typing that took so long he got far enough to have enough adds to mulch him? Was it important or relevant to the dungeon/your abilities in the dungeon?

Pulling big probably won't ever change given the way this game works. Now that sprint is free, I like when tanks sprint because we should all sprint and be done with the dungeon sooner.

Sprinting with a pull also means less time in transition and more time keeping aggro while dps go to town.

Yep happened to me a a few times, i was cheking loot after the boss, and the tank just decided to sprint all the way to next gate, by the time i got there it was too late, and im like "you know... i wasnt even there......"

I've seen this as well. However, my stance is if you sprint way ahead leaving me and the rest of the party behind, and you die, that's on you.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

What exactly were you typing that took so long he got far enough to have enough adds to mulch him? Was it important or relevant to the dungeon/your abilities in the dungeon?

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Just before the boss I changed my fairy to Selene. After the boss I was changing my fairy back to Eos. The tank asked if he could chain pull and I said yes and I quickly explained that I was changing fairy because I didn't need the extra heals on bosses. Fairly often tanks think I switch back to Eos assuming I'm uncomfortable with chain pulling, when in fact I switch to Selene to make boss killing a bit faster. As I was typing "just changing fairys as I don't need the extra heals on bosses" he pulled. While sprinting on auto-run I managed to type "stay in range though" he continued as if I said nothing, at that point he had less than 50% hp.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

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Eh, in this case I can see his train of thought. You have the go ahead so he raced out. If there were some way to have the chat box show when someone is typing maybe there\\'d be less confusion there.

All I can really say is the old correlation =/= causation adage, and tanks have acted like that (pulling way too much too fast) for a long time. That said it is a team effort and situational awareness is something tanks should have...

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Eh, in this case I can see his train of thought. You have the go ahead so he raced out. If there were some way to have the chat box show when someone is typing maybe there\\'d be less confusion there.

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Alright but he obviously didn't look to see if I was actually in a position to heal, and he obviously didn't look at the chat box or he completely dismissed what I said about staying in range. He didn't even seem to be looking at his hp. It was woefully low before he was even finished the pull.

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Originally Posted by Nowakii

Yep happened to me a a few times, i was cheking loot after the boss, and the tank just decided to sprint all the way to next gate, by the time i got there it was too late, and im like "you know... i wasnt even there......"

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Yea seen that happen to other healers many times. I personally end up not looking at any loot until the next fight is nearly over while there is very little to heal, and it is because of chain pulling tanks who act like they're soloing the instance.

Yeah like I said, situational awareness is something the tank in question seems to have been lacking.

*Start Casting Protect*
*Tank Sprints off*
*Sigh* Gonna be one of those days.

It's definitely worse now than it used to be. At least before if they ran away, you could use Sprint as a gap closer. When they use it? GG.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Yeah like I said, situational awareness is something the tank in question seems to have been lacking.

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If the tank apologised I'd have been fine with it. Stuff like this happens. He messed up, sometimes I mess up too, we all mess up. No one is perfect. I have had mass pulls go wrong, the tank apologise afterwards, I say it's okay we can just try again or go slower, and we do the rest of the instance just fine. I'm not a diva who will leave the second I see the tank is less than excellent. I just want to do a dungeon without being expected to do the impossible.

Sprint is love, sprint is life.

Sprint on CD is too good, especially as tank/SAM. Cuts out so much travel time.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Sprint is love, sprint is life.

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Holy crap we agree on something

To be honest, it sounds like you're just an awful healer. When I get into a dungeon, I expect everyone to be ready to go. I still personally wait for protect, but once I see that I'm sprinting and I'm going. I just want dungeons to take as little time as possible. If you seriously couldn't reach the tank after them having time to pull a bunch of stuff, and go through their invuln CD, you were doing something wrong. Please be more flexible in parties. If you see the tank immediately start sprinting just stop typing and start following them immediately with sprint up yourself.

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Originally Posted by Nikubun

To be honest, it sounds like you're just an awful healer.

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I'm an awful healer for being unable to catch up to a tank who sprinted away out of range while I was typing, and sprint wasn't enough to catch up? What do you suggest I do instead? Teleport to the tank?

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Originally Posted by Nikubun

If you see the tank immediately start sprinting just stop typing and start following them immediately with sprint up yourself.

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I am not very good at typing so I was looking down at my keyboard a bit. You going to tell me to take typing classes just to satisfy an impatient tank's needs?

I've carried basically every EX run I've been a part of since SB dropped, yes. I don't mind working hard for a pull, I do mind blowing literally everything on a tank who doesn't use defensives/is undergeared but pulls like they aren't.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I'm an awful healer for being unable to catch up to a tank who sprinted away out of range while I was typing, and sprint wasn't enough to catch up? What do you suggest I do instead? Teleport to the tank?



I am not very good at typing so I was looking down at my keyboard a bit. You going to tell me to take typing classes just to satisfy an impatient tank's needs?

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Well sort of a tangent but yeah...take typing classes. The time invested will more than pay for itself in the long run, if you ever need to use a qwerty keyboard at all.

It's not reasonable to expect someone to know that you're randomly looking down at your keyboard away from the screen for 10+ seconds after you type "yes" to his question "Can I pull big now?". Standing there hardcasting selene/eos is going to negate any time saved via selene's speed buff.

Even worse that you'd post on a forum shaming him for it.

I mean, I might pop Sprint to grab some additional mobs and kite a little so the damage doesn't rack up too hard before we're all in place, but I always make sure I'm being followed first. And for the most part I like to save it for fights, 'cause it's more useful to dodge AOEs/mechanics.

Tanks are a bit too used to if they are far ahead of the party the healer can sprint to catch-up.

Tanks need to start learning that if there's a gap between them and the healer and they pop sprint now. That gap isn't going away.

If a tank pulls big he needs to make sure the healer is right behind him. The point of pulling big isn't just to pull big, it's to kill faster.

If because the tank sprints ahead and the healer barely catches up and has to pop every cooldown just to save the tank from Living dead and is going to be stuck cure bombing for the rest of the fight without even the smallest opportunity to do any AoE DPS himself...the tank is slowing down the run by trying to be sonic the hedgehog.

I'm not even saying that the tank shouldn't be pig pulling, in fact he should, but for example Scholar can essentially apply all of their AoE DoTs and AoE DPS while moving DURING the pull (with just 1 GCD to cast Miasma). If the tank is half the dungeon in front of the healer and the DPS out of their attack range because he popped sprint what's the point...

It's the same thing with those that sprint off right when the gate drops before they get protect. "Oh they can just protect me while I'm fighting" Yes, and because of that you've just lost some 500-1,000 potency damage because the healer is now casting protect instead of DPSing the monsters and depending on the size of the pull likely won't be able to for the rest of the fight because he now has to heal the damage you took from not having protect...

Sprinting while gathering adds minimized the auto attack damage they take, meaning they aren't starting at 50% health when they have everything gathered.

Type while auto-running. Easy.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

"Oh they can just protect me while I'm fighting" Yes, and because of that you've just lost some 500-1,000 potency damage

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While I don't do that...

2k+ AoE trumps 1k I'm pretty sure.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Sprinting while gathering adds minimized the auto attack damage they take, meaning they aren't starting at 50% health when they have everything gathered.

Type while auto-running. Easy.

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I mean...not always. I've had more than my fair share of tanks running off and pulling everything. Only to be at 50% or less when I can actually start healing. Lord knows the second I think about healing while they are pulling everything something will come hit me in the face.

Honestly, if the tank didn't notice the healer with him, then it's his bad entirely. Not running off without the healer seems pretty common sense to me. Probably best to make sure everyone is with you before pulling everything. Including DPS, because lord knows I can''t be spamming my big heal forever.

Considering everyone can freely use sprint, not using it seems like a waste.
May as well go fast.

Pay attention to your tank's status bar and party list. If your tanks sprints, as a healer you have to sprint too. Both tank and healer sprints have to be in sync. Tanks sprint in order to minimize auto-attack damage from all the mobs pulled before the tank stops in one spot.

If your tank is good with quickly gathering mobs (easy with PLD Flash), you can Regen the tank while sprinting right next to the tank. That way he will recover HP while gathering the mobs. However, if your tank is a little bit slower, do not Regen your tank.

if everyone isn't using sprint than there is a problem.

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

I'll never understand why a tank would use sprint in the first place in a dungeon after aggroing a mob. Just run with your team . . . problem (mostly) solved.

Anyway assuming you as the healer are geared properly and using heals over DPSing, if the tank still dies because he pulled a million mobs then the fault lies 100% with the tank.

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To reduce or outright bypass the damage taken by the first set of mobs while gathering another. Granted, he should always use it before entering combat for the double duration.

The trick: you should run with the tank. Don't expect the guy under fire to walk to the next gather for you, prolonging that damage and making the process less safe.

Also... you can run while typing. Auto-run is there for a reason. With a keyboard you can even type between GCDs or while clicking away your rotation with the other hand.

Sprinting is not a tank trap, unless paired with people who aren't paying attention whatsoever. It's sanity. You should ALL be using sprint.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Sprinting is not a tank trap, unless paired with people who aren't paying attention whatsoever. It's sanity. You should ALL be using sprint.

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Unless, of course, the healer is trying to cast Protect.... because you know, 15% defense is nearly as powerful as a Rampart (last I checked, that's 20%). It + Rampart is a full one-third damage reduction, and to go sprinting off before you even have the buff is insanely stupid, and expecting the healer to stand there casting it AFTER the pull is even more ludicrous because heal spam is usually required to keep the tank alive early in the pull.

The Healer COULD swiftcast it, but as a healer, I loathe doing this because about the time I do, a SC+Raise or SC+Cure 3 or SC+Cure2 would have saved the group from a wipe which costs far more time than waiting for a 3 second cast before mashing the sprint button.......

The tank shouldn't be sprinting if the healer is lagging behind. It used to be fine to do this since the healer could Sprint to catch-up, but now if the tank sprints the gap between the tank and the healer isn't going to shrink.

And before anyone mentions that the healer should just keep up, remember that healers often have relevant things to cast between pulls like a shield on the tank, or the healer might be pre-casting a DPS spell on the target the tank is going to pull. All of these things require standing still so healers will generally lag slightly behind the tank so before a tank hits sprint it's generally a good idea to at least check if the healer is close by first.

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Originally Posted by Supersun

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Or those times that the Healer has to look away from the screen for a split second, because we healers are not FFXI Trust NPCs. We are humans who have very human RLs, and sometimes someone will pop in and talk to me RL, or my attention will be ripped away by something like the phone ringing, or maybe I'm trying to take a sip of water near the end of a pull and .....

SOME... tanks will sprint WHILE THE FINAL MOB IS STILL ALIVE.

I mean, really, dude? How about finishing the first pull before you begin the next?

Or how about Loot Windows? As a healer, I need time to roll/pass on loot and the only time I get _IS_ between pulls. But, if the tank is going to mash his sprint button and take off like a rocket regardless of whether or not I'm ready... bad things will happen.

It comes down to the tank thinking that he alone has authority over the whole group, when in fact the healer is more the deciding factor of who lives or dies. The tank can't tank anything without heals, lol. Him running away from the very thing that can save his life is not very smart.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Or those times that the Healer has to look away from the screen for a split second, because we healers are not FFXI Trust NPCs. We are humans who have very human RLs, and sometimes someone will pop in and talk to me RL, or my attention will be ripped away by something like the phone ringing, or maybe I'm trying to take a sip of water near the end of a pull and .....

SOME... tanks will sprint WHILE THE FINAL MOB IS STILL ALIVE.

I mean, really, dude? How about finishing the first pull before you begin the next?

Or how about Loot Windows? As a healer, I need time to roll/pass on loot and the only time I get _IS_ between pulls. But, if the tank is going to mash his sprint button and take off like a rocket regardless of whether or not I'm ready... bad things will happen.

It comes down to the tank thinking that he alone has authority over the whole group, when in fact the healer is more the deciding factor of who lives or dies. The tank can't tank anything without heals, lol. Him running away from the very thing that can save his life is not very smart.

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I wish I could upvote this more.

Rule of thumb: Always check to make sure the group is behind you before charging ahead. I learned this on day 1 of tanking. Yet i'm surprised how whenever i heal this gets forgotten, and i can't even look at loot before they nyoom off 3 rooms away.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Unless, of course, the healer is trying to cast Protect.... because you know, 15% defense is nearly as powerful as a Rampart (last I checked, that's 20%).

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Iirc, the % damage reduction caused by the entirety of some 4.5k Defense is still under 20%. Your 15% is then 15% of that, so really more like under 3% damage reduction. But you could always cast it before the ring falls, unless they're sprinting immediately out of the cutscene. This should also occur only once per instance, whereas Sprint should be occurring every 60-100 seconds, with the death of every gather.

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

I'll never understand why a tank would use sprint in the first place in a dungeon after aggroing a mob. Just run with your team . . . problem (mostly) solved.

Anyway assuming you as the healer are geared properly and using heals over DPSing, if the tank still dies because he pulled a million mobs then the fault lies 100% with the tank. Grinding dungeons in this game shouldn't be stressful to anyone involved. If it is then you're doing it wrong haha.

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Because on large pulls it means you're taking less hits due to the distance you create with the previous mobs you just aggro'd which leaves you with a good amount of health to soak up the hits when they all converge on you + the other group you just pulled. I only pop sprint right before I start pulling a large amount of mobs and the healer has more than enough time to pop sprint as well to keep up. Hell I usually pop sprint with my weapon drawn so that they can visually see me sprinting.

This didn't change anything for me, since I've always used Sprint anyway. Especially on DRK, for I used no TP on big pulls whatsoever. But I did Sprint on WAR and PLD as well, so.

I hate this too OP. If you look away just for a second and they sprint off you can't sprint to catch up anymore because well... now you're running at the same speed....

Not going to lie here,
I think it is funny when the tank sprints off, leaves the group behind then either dies or really has to saved. I don't even mind if it wipes us and we get to do it again. Sprint all you want, I don't play to be in a rush. I will do what I can to keep you alive, but that is it. I have had them sprint off before my screen loaded up for the next room. Then he/she got mad. Blame the internet! LoL
The point - sprint if you can while you watch the group. If the tank or healer or even dps is just leaving the rest of the group... Well, crap happens. :)
I still want to know what everyone is doing with that extra 5 to 10 minutes they got from rushing. Must be some kind of serious secret... or maybe they just think they can so why not? Heck, I don't know, but it is still funny.

A good tank should do this, however, a good tank will also apologize if the healer wasn't ready.

No, because I'm ALWAYS keeping an eye on the tank. It's literally a healers job.

If I see them sprint, I sprint.

I know there's been a few times that as a healer I still have sprint on cooldown from the previous boss fight, and guess who missiles away.

A team that sprints together wins together.

A healer that doesn't sprint means bad times for everyone involved.

Don't be a bad healer, use your legs. Sprint is very good cardio!