Angel mount

In POTD we can turn into angel with resolution. I was thinking it would be really nice to have a mount kind of like that where we get wings on our back and fly around like an angel lol. Just like keep our same character look though just add the wings and that would be the mount :)

Please.....no......may aswell throw in +11 glowing hellfire of death arch mage armour aswell to really top off the tacky F2P Korean grinder experience.

I wouldn't argue with it. As long as they look decent and are not over the top. If people don't like it, they don't have to use em :3

I'm personally opposed, but the main retort these forums use to people not wanting certain novelty items is "Dun use it den". So eh.

I want rocket boots personally. Though boots and wings beg the question of "Why can't we just use them in combat?" I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

I'm personally opposed, but the main retort these forums use to people not wanting certain novelty items is "Dun use it den". So eh.

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A good argument against any particular gear is "it breaks the art style and looks weird against everything else"...
which WAS a valid argument.. till I got my little yokai glowy gocart mount and cartoony weapons. With that already in there it's hard to argue against anything else.

honestly I dont see them everywhere anymore but when i do it does yank me out of my little RPG flow.

but now the floodgates have been opened, why deny someone something they want ? especially if you can make it within the artstyle of the game.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

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So your idea for fixing a bad glass of water is to poison the well, so to speak? The Yokai mount irks you and you rarely see it nowadays, so you want to give every person their silliest desires as a fix?

I dunno if I agree with the sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

So your idea for fixing a bad glass of water is to poison the well, so to speak? The Yokai mount irks you and you rarely see it nowadays, so you want to give every person their silliest desires as a fix?

I dunno if I agree with the sentiment.

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well.. if they want giant balloon wings and a sparkly halo with unicorn sprinkles coming off of it.. sure .. I'd have a reservation. But howbout it being ... as I said.. in artstyle? what does it hurt you if they add more things to the game that aren't glaringly jarring?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

what does it hurt you

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There it is. I see you weren't up for much of a discussion.

It doesn't hurt me- I just think it's exorbitantly tacky and misfitting. That's not to say there isn't other things I find misfitting to the game- but that doesn't make this an "all or none" situation.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

There it is. I see you weren't up for much of a discussion.

It doesn't hurt me- I just think it's exorbitantly tacky and misfitting. That's not to say there isn't other things I find misfitting to the game- but that doesn't make this an "all or none" situation.

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presenting my stance doesn't mean I'm totally opposed to hearing a reasonable argument.. you're being pretty obtuse. I'd love to hear a good reason for it. I'm not dismissing you, I'm asking for a well thought out and reasonable case for NOT implementing something besides "I don't like it and so it shouldn't be in the game."

late edit (apologies if you've already answered this): so.. where is the line? what makes the cut and what doesn't? why does having angel wings and flying not fit in a world where we can magically explode into aether and reform at crystals in any part of the world?

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

"I don't like it and so it shouldn't be in the game."

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And at what point is your proposition of the polar opposite "Someone likes it so it should be in the game" not being obtuse?

I believe a middle ground is the solution, brings peoples ideas into the game if they're logically (Within the universe) sound and not absolutely an eyeroll like Angel Wings.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

And at what point is your proposition of the polar opposite "Someone likes it so it should be in the game" not being obtuse?

I believe a middle ground is the solution, brings peoples ideas into the game if they're logically (Within the universe) sound and not absolutely an eyeroll like Angel Wings.

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Fair point that it sounds like I'm just presenting the negative to your positive. I come firmly from the camp of "more items = more options" so it's going to color a lot of my opinions on if something is acceptable or not. I don't like that we have "tanks" wearing bikinis into battles they should be wearing plate into, fighting beside a giant gold pig mascot looking person in a life or death war is .. odd. But I don't think my personal dislike trumps their option to look as they wish.

Why are angel wings an auto eyeroll? is it any more tropey than the "sexy mage" outfit?

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

I'm personally opposed, but the main retort these forums use to people not wanting certain novelty items is "Dun use it den". So eh.

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How is the "dun use it den" argument not valid in the context of video games and choosing to do something that is, in every single way, optional? I never understood the hate for an actually sound reply like that, regardless of how fitting in context it is, outside of the fact it serves as a valid retort to literally shut down complaints with a straightforward response. What would you tell someone opposed to the very idea of the glamour system for their own character?

People can have their reasons or opinions, and they should be allowed to openly express them, but it doesn't mean it makes those opinions good or important. As such, if it can be reasonably shut down by a simple response like "dun use it den", then there's a good chance it didn't mean much to begin with.

Side note: I do agree about the opinion of wings being tacky, as others have stated lol. Whatever though, if people want it, I see no reason to not ask for it.

Yes, I would like "Cherub" wings at least.
Not a fan of huge Aion like wings. :)

EDIT: For those who wanna talk about "immersion" or so...
Mechanical Wings by Cid could fit the bill?

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

How is the "dun use it den" argument not valid in the context of video games and choosing to do something that is, in every single way,

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Long story short, you'd have a pretty haphazard game if "dun use it den" was the holy apex of reasoning on the addition of every thought that has ever gone through someones head.

I believe it to be the laziest retort. How can you compete with it when you give it that sort of power? I could ask for a flying underwater turkey taco cat dinosaur and you'd have to accept that it's a good idea because you don't have to use it. That's why I don't give that argument such obscene power in community discussion- because it would lead to a lot of dumpster fires if it was actually true and SE took it to heart all the time.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

How is the "dun use it den" argument not valid in the context of video games and choosing to do something that is, in every single way, optional?.

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The way I see it, it is a valid argument... in a single player game. In an MMO, a player has no control over what others use as glamour, but are forced to still see it. Short of implementing a client-side option to turn off others' glamours, a player that doesn't like it still has to deal with it.

I personally just roll my eyes at ridiculous (imo) costumes and move on, but I've known people that won't touch MMOs because characters using the goofy or out of place glamours ruins the aesthetic for them.

I'm still waiting for my Ironworks jetpack.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Yes, I would like "Cherub" wings at least.
Not a fan of huge Aion like wings. :)

EDIT: For those who wanna talk about "immersion" or so...
Mechanical Wings by Cid could fit the bill?

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Honestly I felt the same way on mechanical wings, like the goblins working on it. I mean they do seem to have some kind of knowledge or at least the ones in Brayflox HM that I recall.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Long story short, you'd have a pretty haphazard game if "dun use it den" was the holy apex of reasoning on the addition of every thought that has ever gone through someones head.

I believe it to be the laziest retort. How can you compete with it when you give it that sort of power? I could ask for a flying underwater turkey taco cat dinosaur and you'd have to accept that it's a good idea because you don't have to use it. That's why I don't give that argument such obscene power in community discussion- because it would lead to a lot of dumpster fires if it was actually true and SE took it to heart all the time.

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Fair enough. I do agree that there are going to be instances where that reply does do damage as far as discussion goes for potential problems, and giving a lazy reply like that too much social power is ridiculous. I'd say cases like this though, with a non-controversial vanity request, is where it seems fine. I want to point out though that even a silly request like the one you used as an example sounds fair enough to me with a game like this lol. People can ask for as serious of a vanity good or as stupid of a vanity good. I'd say they're both fine here. How the devs would work in a flying/swimming turkey taco cat dinosaur though is beyond me... mad scientist?

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Originally Posted by Seniade

The way I see it, it is a valid argument... in a single player game. In an MMO, a player has no control over what others use as glamour, but are forced to still see it. Short of implementing a client-side option to turn off others' glamours, a player that doesn't like it still has to deal with it.

I personally just roll my eyes at ridiculous (imo) costumes and move on, but I've known people that won't touch MMOs because characters using the goofy or out of place glamours ruins the aesthetic for them.

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I'd argue that's more of a players problem than a problem for the game itself. What I mean is, if the devs promote the idea of being silly with your look, then that's basically what you should expect players to take advantage of. We have many silly outfits that the devs intentionally add to the game for the intent of pure fun (the "haha" sort of fun). I mean, some NPCs are made to have that silliness be a defining characteristic lol. Now, if the devs intended to have a strictly serious sort of approach to their worlds aesthetics, then that'd certainly warrant concern if they suddenly decide to throw in silly stuff, but that's not the case. The devs clearly like their vanity to have both be available (hence why we even have a Gamera reference mount).

by the by, we're probably getting at least a glamour.. so.. brace your eyeballs.
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...744bb5dd1a.jpg

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

by the by, we're probably getting at least a glamour.. so.. brace your eyeballs.
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...744bb5dd1a.jpg

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https://i.giphy.com/media/yHUiExmU40...ized-large.gif

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

by the by, we're probably getting at least a glamour.. so.. brace your eyeballs.
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...744bb5dd1a.jpg

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If we'd be getting wings that look like that then absolutely not...

i would love wings to be used as a mount, and lore wise it could even be a summoner / scholar exclusive mount if they did healing exclusive mounts.

lore wise it wouldn't be to hard to explain, moogle magic since it works in the 'wedding' ceremony, plus there is a flying sword in the game, and a egg, and two yokai mounts, and a fart powered turtle, so it would add a bit of variety :D

I have wings already as paladin, but for some reason every time I try and fly with them they dissapear!

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Originally Posted by Medicine

If we'd be getting wings that look like that then absolutely not...

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People have previously argued against wing mounts which could have looked much better, so that outfit is probably the only way we'd get wings. We got the bardings already though so I don't have my hopes up. Other regions got them at the same time I think.

Still giving my thumbs up for wing mounts, and here's an example of an existing wing model in-game. Something that already exists can't be out of place, right? :)

http://i.imgur.com/iGCcPrS.jpg

Yeah why not ?
As long as they are did well and don't look ove the top like these
http://img0.mmo.mmo4arab.com/aion/wings/Operative.jpg

The Kuribu ones look pretty nice imho (just would like to be abble to adjust the glowing part ^^")
http://ytimg.googleusercontent.com/vi/t7ktdLuKnBM/0.jpg

FInal Fantasy has some kind of an history with wings anyway, throught character (Sephiroth of course, comes to mind), limit breaks and, of course, monsters so that would not surprise me.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

I'd argue that's more of a players problem than a problem for the game itself.

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Not getting into the argument itself as I am not invested in the topic enough, but this particular argument is absolutely wrong. If something is a player problem, it is a 99% of the time also a developer problem. If poor art direction and eyesore glamours and mounts are causing players to unsubscribe or not subscribe in the first place, thats not just a player problem.

I liked Yokai as a one off I guess, but how many collaborations/ridiculous glamours until we become PSO2?

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Originally Posted by Jandor

A lot of people think wings are cool, they'll be absolutely everywhere forever once they're released.

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Do they? Do you have a source for that fact?

2 things really.

1, damn I'd forgotten how ugly those angel/devil wing robes are.

2, yokai, turtle, easter egg, etc. are all novelty mounts, you rarely see them out in the world because they're just not very cool. A lot of people think wings are cool, they'll be absolutely everywhere forever once they're released.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Do they? Do you have a source for that fact?

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lol, I bet you think this a real clever question don't you.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Yeah why not ?
As long as they are did well and don't look ove the top like these
http://img0.mmo.mmo4arab.com/aion/wings/Operative.jpg

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Actually those are some pretty spectacular wings, I love them. They wouldn't fit in this game, though.

Honestly thought this thread was for a mount being an angel dragging someone by their ankles.

Besides, if we're talking Aion, there's way better options for mount inspiration.

http://aion.mmorpg-life.com/wp-conte...ch_grogget.jpg

(Yes, I know it's a class--one of my most favorite in any MMORPG--but it's still considered a mount.)

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...744bb5dd1a.jpg

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Still waiting for them to release these, cmon SE - my wallet is waiting.

As for angel wings -mount, why not. Might not use it myself, but eh. :p

Riding an angel?... I cant think of a lore-appropriate explanation for this. Unless it's like, some kind of amdapori gargoyle controlled by magicks, but seems kinda farfetched to me.

Wings alone could (possibly) fit - aetherial wings, or magitek, either ironworks or of garlean design. There's a couple of possibilities... although I personally dont really see the appeal in this :/ could be that i'm just negatively influenced by the atrocities that are the korean angel/devil glams. Ew.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Riding an angel?... I cant think of a lore-appropriate explanation for this. Unless it's like, some kind of amdapori gargoyle controlled by magicks, but seems kinda farfetched to me.

Wings alone could (possibly) fit - aetherial wings, ironworks or magitek. There's a couple of possibilities... although I personally dont really see the appeal in this :/ could be that i'm just negatively influenced by the atrocities that are the korean angel/devil glams. Ew.

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Imagine Kuribu (The stone gargoyle in LC of Amdapor) carrying you in her arms.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Imagine Kuribu (The stone gargoyle in LC of Amdapor) carrying you in her arms.

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Or one her shoulder, that would make up for lala not being abble to ride others races :p

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Originally Posted by Pence

Please.....no......may aswell throw in +11 glowing hellfire of death arch mage armour aswell to really top off the tacky F2P Korean grinder experience.

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Mounts have gone out of control since the day the fat chocobo learned to fly. Now we have Water Serpents that fly high in the sky along with armoured bears while the fat chocobo still hunts a cake down under the sea.

So seriously, it doesn't matter anymore. whatever may come, it doesn't matter anymore.

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I liked Yokai as a one off I guess, but how many collaborations/ridiculous glamours until we become PSO2?

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Considering we're still waiting on our part of the collab since pso2 got the entire Odin fight and DRK sword from XIV...

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Considering we're still waiting on our part of the collab since pso2 got the entire Odin fight and DRK sword from XIV...

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They got WAY more than that. WHM, BLM and MNK AF 1 sets as well as the miqo'te starting racial sets as armors too, and I'm pretty sure that's not all of it either.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

They got WAY more than that. WHM, BLM and MNK AF 1 sets as well as the miqo'te starting racial sets as armors too, and I'm pretty sure that's not all of it either.

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Yikes that's a lot @.@

I only talked about the DRK sword cuz that's all I ran across while playing for a bit but jolt halibut

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Originally Posted by Talec

Mounts have gone out of control since the day the fat chocobo learned to fly. Now we have Water Serpents that fly high in the sky along with armoured bears while the fat chocobo still hunts a cake down under the sea.

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Don't forget the spinning turtle! Lol.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

http://i.imgur.com/iGCcPrS.jpg

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Yes to this type of wings made of light, just reshape them so they resemble actual wings, I hope SE doesn't manage to destroy the idea and comes up with dung!...

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A huge NO to this poop wings:

http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...744bb5dd1a.jpg