Long short Story, once upon a time, i had a co healer who was a WHM, me, an AST, we were happily running dungeons, but this one healer could not stop himself for trying to be on the 95% on the fflogs, to the point he just decided to ignore almost every healing mechanic in the fight to keep dpsing, while im not complaining about healers Dpsing (i mean i do dps too, tho it wasnt as big since i was mostly solo healing everything.... ) i do complain when you get obsessed with ACT and you ignore everything else in order to raise your personal dps, even if that means you have to let the DPS die.... a clear example was this one OS3 run, when the white flame spawns and both tanks are getting damage at the same time, well our MT was a DRK who decided to use Living dead for the second critical hit, leaving him with 1 Hp and needing to be Fulled asap, just that you know, after that hit there's a Dimentional wave right after, but well i had eathly star and i managed to heal him and everyone else by myself, then the MT was around 60% Hp when the withe flame spawned, so i had to heal the OT, i casted Synastry on the MT and proceed to heal the OT who decided not to pop any Defensive CD, so took a bunch load of dmg from the first hit, i didnt had ED since i had to use it to recover the DRK from living dead..... So yeah it was me and my Bene2 trying to heal 2 tanks at the same time.... and well... Synastry can only do much......
My point, dear co healer, im not asking to you stop dpsing..... But i wouldnt mind if you Pop some oGCD heals here and there.... Thx !
TL;DR: i was main healing, both tanks were taking heavy damage, and not even there the WHM decided to pop a single heal (not GCD or oGCD) on them....just 1 would've been enough.
Dear Co healers obsessed with DPS
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07-30-2017, 11:31 PMNowakiiDear Co healers obsessed with DPS
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07-31-2017, 12:05 AMLathusWHM
I read till you said dungeons, and fflogs together.
Tell him that if he is so worried about dungeon logs, he should really consider playing world of warcraft. *eyeroll* -
07-31-2017, 12:12 AMTaika
Remind him that raids are team content and healing especially is team play: it's not about him working on his personal parse goals but working towards the group's goal and sharing the workload. You can also suggest that when your group is more confortable with those fights you can take turns in carrying more responsibility and letting each other to aim for higher ranks. Most importantly, talk to him, not to us here.
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07-31-2017, 12:44 AMViolaCrossfire
I don't rate my accomplishment with fflogs. I rate it by clearing the darn content. And letting fellow teammates die or pop unnecessary cooldowns does not help clearing the content.
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07-31-2017, 01:53 AMJudge_Xero
Sounds like you got a bad WHM. When I hear Living Dead and WHM in the same sentence without Benediction being included which can be weaved with Aero btw it has less to do with wanting DPS epeen and just needing to L2P.
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07-31-2017, 02:02 AMtechnole
I agree with Judge. The White Mage is more at-fault for not playing their job correctly. The way a good healer tandem works is using the best skills for the situation, not this "main/off healer" junk. LD is always best handled by a WHM in the party, whereas an Astro will need to use ED and GCDs to heal it.
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07-31-2017, 02:03 AMHyoMinParkWell, if he has a co-healer, it's doubtful it's dungeons. So they probably meant either the Ex primals or Omega.Quote:
Originally Posted by LathusWHM
Regardless, healing is a team effort, and if that WHM was so concerned with being 95th percentile...well, vast majority of those parses are padded anyways.
Seeing the O3S comment--V3S and V4S basically require both healers to actively heal first, then worry about DPSing later. Especially if this is strictly progression, and not a group with experience/a lot of kills under their belts. So that WHM was definitely at fault for thinking that content can be solo-healed this early on in the tier when very few are able to "out-gear" it by any current gear standards. -
07-31-2017, 02:07 AMNowakiiSorry im too used to Call "dungeon" to any instance be it 4/8/24/2000 players place :XQuote:
Originally Posted by LathusWHM
Also im sorry if this seems like a complain post, it is not, i just wanted to share my own experience hopping some people who do that will think it twice in the future. -
07-31-2017, 02:20 AMtechnoleYou do need a decent amount of healer DPS to clear O3S/O4S currently, like just around 23,850k party DPS for O3S.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
But it can surely be done without a lot of risk. The cave/dragon is a lot of party damage that can easily be handled with WHM regens and instants for tank damage in an AST/WHM combo. This WHM could have just pressed a few more buttons like assize, or Cure III since most are stacked, and still weave in Aero DoT damage. But who knows what they were doing, since Bene wasn't used I figure they were sitting on it, aka being bad. -
07-31-2017, 10:26 PMVolene
From the situation you described, it does sound like your co-healer wasn't pulling their weight, though we're only getting one side of the story here. With that being said -
Dear co-healers whining about my DPS,
I am a Scholar. I have this wonderful thing called a fairy, it heals for quite a nice amount. I also have Aetherflow abilities which represent the most potent healing abilities I can churn out (unless you count Deployment Tactics as a "healing ability", which it technically isn't), none of which are on the GCD. My GCD heals cost a lot of MP and aren't even as good as any of those abilities. So if you see me cast Broil II most of the time, it's fine. I'm doing my job properly. That's where most of my GCDs should be going, with the healing happening through OGCDs that I can weave under Bio II reapplication, Miasma II or in-between Broil II casts if I have to bite the bullet and clip my GCD. You won't see a cast for it, but I'm healing all the same, I swear. If a big raid-wide AoE happens with no other damage for a while, I will put up a Roused Whispering Dawn to top everyone off, and then yes, I will keep spamming Broil II. If you feel the need to spam Medica three times because you can't stand the sight of people being at 40% HP with no incoming damage whatsoever instead of letting my (wonderfully powerful) regen work, that's your problem, not mine. If you see Excogitation on the tank and still feel like chain-casting Cure II on them because you don't get the message that I want you to throw out some DPS as well, that's also your problem. Don't complain that I'm not healing because you're the one who has no idea how my job works.
Thank you,
Volene.
(P.S: My most recent O3S clear had me at 65th percentile healing with only 29 healing GCDs out of 180 total GCDs, less than 20% of my casts. This means I can and will heal more than most while still spamming Broil II throughout the fight, allowing me to deal a lot of damage without sacrificing healing. If you want me to chain-cast Adlo and Succor just to make you feel like I'm healing, you can get lost. I'm not going to play bad just to make you happy - I'll take actually doing my job over making you feel like I'm doing my job. Thanks.) -
07-31-2017, 11:05 PMOgulbuk
Just for contrast, I want to tell a story about a friend of mine and me. I (war) and him (whm) were doing, omega normal 2. Now, my friend is the kind of WHM that will spend most the time throwing Stone VI and I call him out all the time for letting me go too low in HP (Upheaval is worthless if I'm not high in HP.) At the end of this Omega 2 run, the other healer, think an astro, starts going off at my friend for not healing at all, something I could had even taken for granted (that he would not heal) but he asked me to check my logs. Turned out my friend did more healing than the astro that was complaining about "solo healing" while also doing more damage than either the tanks (I was barely geared enough to enter the place, not sure what the other tank's excuse was.)
Just saying: do first make sure the other person really was not healing. In the heat of the battle, its easy to miss what was truly going on. -
08-02-2017, 03:38 AMraela
In easy content, I start off dpsing, and step in to heal if things look rough - sub 50% hp. I main sch, so I rely on my faerie a lot.
In savage, my cohealer prefers healing to dps, so I mainly throw some indoms, and heal if he dies. Though when joining someone else's group, I simply ask how much help the other healer wants. Use your words. -
08-03-2017, 01:20 AMJenniLeFurUse words? Never! You just play chicken with healthbars - first one to fill one up is it! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by raela
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08-03-2017, 01:27 AMStarflake
From your logs, not only did your Co healer heal more than you, he did more DPS than and with less overheal.
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08-03-2017, 01:36 AMZarabethI'm a WHM and I don't dps unless everyone is healed first. Just because there are bad WHM doesn't mean all of us are. I'm not the best but I'm an ok healer and I'd never let a pt member die just so I could dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by technole
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08-03-2017, 01:47 AMExiled_TonberryAlright I'm curious. What CDs are considered "unnecessary", exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolaCrossfire
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08-03-2017, 01:48 AMZarabethHealth bar limbo is always fun with friends. Not so much fun in DF parties!Quote:
Originally Posted by JenniLeFur
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08-03-2017, 03:41 AMraelaI love when I write someone off as dead after an aoe, just to see them move/hot ticks their HP above single digits. I get to heal instead of res after all!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarabeth
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08-03-2017, 05:02 AMShadowblind
If the healer is keeping everyone alive, I don't care what they do in their spare time. DPS or not. But if they stress out the co-healer to do majority healing for them to add a little DPS, there's a problem. Top priorities for a healer by most to least important:
1. Don't let anyone die (as far as you can help it)
2. Heal
3. Have fun, play your own way so long as 1 & 2 are being kept
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5. DPS the enemy
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08-07-2017, 05:03 PMRei_ZeroThat is bad, even if really he is healing more, its stressful for a healer when you don´t see co healer cure. Sorry but your friend is bad companion, probably he had good statistics with AOE cure spells and Regen, but what would happened if your MT and OT died because he is not healing individually? healing individually waste good time you can DPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogulbuk
Anyway omega normal, doesn't need pretty much healing. -
08-07-2017, 10:40 PMJaelynnThis is GREAT and as a scholar I co-sign 120% thank you Volene lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Volene
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08-08-2017, 06:43 AMAomine1992
Well unfortunately the way things are now WHMs dps is really good so alot of WHMs choose to dps which isn't a bad thing except in my case as the MT where I kept dying to auto attacks in a weekly V3s clear because one healer was trying to aoe heal DW and the WHM was casting stone IV so after four times of that I had got a bit upset and voked the dragon off the ot and killed everyone then left lol but anyways of as the main healer you should be fine during the white flame the MT isn't taking that much damage even without tank stance which they shouldn't have on during that...
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08-08-2017, 09:13 AMSilver-Strider
Honestly, this seems to apply to all healers in general and not just those in 8 man content.
Had a WHM in Sirensong Sea the other day that was more worried about doing DPS than healing me on my WAR, despite being at 1 health for Holmgang for the "large" pull before the 1st boss and we almost wiped after the WHM, MCH and myself ended up dying because of it. The MNK ran back to us on the boat to clean up the mess but still, the fact we died because the WHM didn't heal was pretty apparent.