Could we get Ruinga as an AoE to use when our Aetherflow stacks are on cool down?
Could you also make it so Ruin 1 upgrads into Ruin 2, even if you have to remove the instant cast, and make Ruin 2 do more damage.
You could also make it so Ruin automatically upgrades into Ruin 3 during Dreadwyrm trance since that's the only time we use Ruin 3. At least that's the only time I use it.
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07-28-2017, 11:44 AMBurningskullSMN Adjustments
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07-28-2017, 11:56 AMKitfox
What? You can't take instant Ruin 2 away from SMN with all the oGCD abilities they have to weave. Do you even play the class?
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07-28-2017, 12:00 PMBurningskull
Only to level it.
Going to be honest, when I get it to 70 I'll probably never touch it again. Class just isn't fun to play to me. These were just some ideas I had while getting it to lvl 69. The Ruin upgrades were just to have less buttons like SE tried to do in SB. -
07-28-2017, 01:03 PMZarabeth
NO. This would be terrible.
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07-28-2017, 01:07 PMRobert_Ilcri
Sorry but unless you actually play the class enough to know how it works in full, aka doing more than just leveling it up, you can't really make suggestions on what should be changed. Theres a lot of stuff wrong with summoner right now, but the ruin spells are definitely not part of that problem. Don't try to fix what isn't broken, instead give us what we actually need/want back (Sustain) and the class will be just fine.
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07-28-2017, 01:50 PMMagic-Mal
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Combat-Changes ...
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07-28-2017, 02:41 PMkattzkitti
SMN was my caster main in 3.x, and my first DPS job to 70 in 4.x (which I've played extensively for my roulettes). I agree with the OP's suggestions in full.
- Ruin II being castable while on the move is nice, but also incredibly niche. I'd rather see it converted into a natural upgrade from Ruin I, given a cast time, and given increased potency.
- As things stand, it is incredibly inefficient to cast Ruin III outside Dreadwyrm Trance. I would love to see it merged into the new Ruin II from the previous point as a Dreadwyrm Trance conditional upgrade.
- Having a legitimate option for AoE outside of Aetherflow stacks is a no-brainer. Give it 100 potency with an average AoE button mana cost, and I'm sold. -
07-28-2017, 03:11 PMKazrah
Having gotten SMN to 70, I wouldn't mind seeing Ruin II get turned into a basic AoE, even if that means lowering the potency. Heck, they could've used that for the AoE fix for SCH too.
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07-29-2017, 03:59 AMBurningskull
You are welcome to explain how removing instant cast time on Ruin 2 would harm SMN. As of right now I mostly use it either when I need to move, or right after a Ruin 1 while waiting for Fester or Painflare to be off cool down.
I also had another idea this morning. Perhaps allowing us to use Aetherflow abilities while in Dreadwyrm Trance.
It also sucks very much to have to wait 20 - 30 seconds to use Aetherflow again when Dreadwyrm Trance is over in 15, and all I do is spam Ruin 3 during it with a final shot of Deathflare. Hence why I think being able to use Aetherflow abilities during Dreadwyrm would be a good idea. -
07-29-2017, 04:30 AMTripPsycWell because of how badly undertuned smn is atm you need to optimize your demi-mut summon to as many wyrmwave attacks as possible and that requires Ruin II instant cast...Quote:
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R2 (Summon Bahamut as late into the GCD as possible) → R2 (Fester) → R2 (Akh Morn) → R2 (Swiftcast if you get a R4 proc) → R2 (Fester) → R2 (Tri-D) → R2 (Fester) → R2 (0.5 sec wait + Addle) → R2 (Akh Morn) -
07-29-2017, 04:34 AMBurningskullThat seems overly complicated lol. But thanks for the info :)Quote:
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07-29-2017, 04:55 AMNorthernLadMSP
What needed to happen was Ruin I being upgraded to Ruin III in the same manner that SCHs Broil gets upgraded to Broil II.
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07-29-2017, 04:56 AMKitfoxYou use Ruin 2 before every single oGCD ability you have. Anytime you don't, you lose DPS.Quote:
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That makes no sense. Aetherflow doesn't come back any sooner after trance if you're allowed to use the abilities during trance. It will actually make it come back SLOWER because you would burn AF stacks during trance, leaving you with even more time out of trance with no AF stacks.Quote:
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07-29-2017, 07:34 AMBurningskullI meant freely. Without the use of Aetherflow stacks while in Dreadwyrm Trance.Quote:
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07-29-2017, 07:50 AMKitfoxQuote:
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You're not making any sense.Quote:
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If you could use Fester etc in trance, you would, because it'd be a DPS increase, like in the old Summoner rotation. -
07-29-2017, 07:58 AMBurningskullPerhaps I'm not explaining it right. I think SE should make it so once you spend your Aetherflow stacks on say, for example, 3 Festers and enter Dreadwyrm Trance, you should still be able to use Fester/Painflare/Bane/Energy Drain while Dreadwyrm Trance lasts. With cooldowns of course. When it ends you would then need to wait for Aetherflow to be ready again before you could use Fester/Painflare/Bane/Energy Drain again.Quote:
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07-29-2017, 08:24 AMSenlitenSo ability to use OGC's in trace without the use or cost of stacks? Yeah, that would make us heavily overbursty/OP, given you'd just weave R2 > Fester > R3/R4 Proc all day for the potency boost in trance alone. Less of course there is some serious drawback akin to like the ruin3 cost out of trance, or something to balance the absurdity in it.Quote:
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07-29-2017, 08:33 AMKitfoxRuin 2 > Fester + Painflare > Ruin 2 > Energy Drain > Ruin 2 Fester + Painflare > etc. All AF abilities have seperate CDs. If that's not overpowered, I don't know what is.Quote:
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07-29-2017, 08:40 AMSenlitenReason why i kept the others out of it >_< cause now i'm just sad pandaing over just wanting this idea to be a reality XD. SE's gonna see this and be like..... nopeQuote:
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07-29-2017, 09:48 AMSunakoNot really. Ruin 1 and 3 have totally different purposes. Ruin3 is for burning mana and ruin 1 is for saving mana. Your suggestion is almost same than removing mana bar from the job. These two skills are important part of job mana control.Quote:
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07-29-2017, 10:49 AMOsmond
The only 2 changes I want to see SMN is Aetherpact instead becoming random single target, just make it AoE the party instead. If the player can't target another, then there's no point in making it 1 person. The other is just make Ruin IV 100% active while dreadwyrm trance. The downside is that it cannot proc the trait during that time. I mean if spamming ruin III to keep up w/ DPS is the only thing to do then there's something wrong w/ it later on in battle. That's my only issue w/ SMN.....for now.