The new armors

In the new letter we see the new class exclusive armors.

Perhaps those will require raiding to get, but do you think there is any chance we can get anything that looks like it without having to do so? I'm just wanting the appearance, not good stats or anything.

So you want to look as good as everyone else, without any effort and/or work?

i heard is obtainable through quest, but not sure if it involves raid or such.

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Originally Posted by Junpei

So you want to look as good as everyone else, without any effort and/or work?

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It's one thing to have to jump through a bunch of hoops for good stats and whatnot, but you want the best LOOKS to be the sole province of the high and mighty 'success is everything' types as well? Sorry, but this whole social darwinist 'only the best should get everything and everyone else be treated like serfs' thing is nonsense.

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Originally Posted by CepheiMordred

It's one thing to have to jump through a bunch of hoops for good stats and whatnot, but you want the best LOOKS to be the sole province of the high and mighty 'success is everything' types as well? Sorry, but this whole social darwinist 'only the best should get everything and everyone else be treated like serfs' thing is nonsense.

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Somehow this make me remind that why i love DCUO's stylish system :P

Also, thought of something else...

It might make some sense to some that one should have to surrender to the whims of the 'success is everything' types just to not look like a rube, but should that really be necessary just so you can look like you are actually a freaking FINAL FANTASY character? That's all I'm asking for, really.

Pure guess, but if the class quests are only doable solo, I suspect may be as well.

Maybe bought with guildmarks, like 100,000 marks for a set. Or maybe a piece. Or maybe 100,000 marks to get one entry to the solo instance fight with that may drop a token which you need 10 tokens to trade for one piece.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Maybe bought with guildmarks, like 100,000 marks for a set. Or maybe a piece. Or maybe 100,000 marks to get one entry to the solo instance fight with that may drop a token which you need 10 tokens to trade for one piece.

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uhhh no. hell no. <_<

Last thing the developers need to be working on right now are (Vanity item) slots.

I hope they are not as time consuming to obtain as Ifrit or Moogle weapons. Even AF in FFXI wasn't that hard to get. lol

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Originally Posted by CepheiMordred

It might make some sense to some that one should have to surrender to the whims of the 'success is everything' types just to not look like a rube, but should that really be necessary just so you can look like you are actually a freaking FINAL FANTASY character? That's all I'm asking for, really.

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I think you can look like a FF character even wearing common low-level gear. Especially as a caster. Just run through a few of the story quests and you'll have enough gil to get cool-looking gear in the markets.

I've got over 150k on my real main, and a good bit of low level armor. I mean you can sort of approximate a black mage, but a white mage at most you might get by with a white hooded cowl but no triangles or anything.

True, a specific look may be tough to get together at low levels, but base starting gear in FFXIV looks waaaaay better than the rags most mmos start you with. Add to that the character models, which are among the most awesome I have ever seen, and I think most characters look very cool soon out of the gate.

I hope it is some form of quest like hunting coffers and stuff and not just a raid!

They need to add it from multiple things, this could be a good way to incorporate it into old elements of the game and add some life back to things no one does anymore.

Do it like XI did, if you have the quest flagged it turns a chest in a 100% drop of the item.

-Open the Batraal chest (one that comes just from killing batraal) with af quest flagged 100% chance you get your body armor as one of the drops from it, all members flagged get their af from it.
-Chest in Strongholds can have 1 say hands
-Talk to some npcs and get a piece after completing a quest line, say feet
-Spawn a force spawn NM and return to the Npc for your reward (kill a mob), say head
-Kill the tier 3 faction leve boss in the nation of your class/Job guild for 100% drop from the chest, say for weapon

I have a strange feeling it will probably be more likely they will come from the new dungeons but I am hoping SE revitalizes the content no one does anymore honestly.

I hope it is not all soloable honestly, the jobs are designed for partys would make sense for at least some of the AF armor to come from group activities.

I can only hope the job gear is party based content, I'll be disappointed if its soloable.

I don't really get why people are acting like it'll either be super hard or super easy, not some kind of reasonable middleground?

I'd expect it to follow a route relatively similar to XI's, where you have a story arc and a few cutscenes along with some boss fights that'll probably need at least 2-3 people to take down. If they incorporate some of the present content like strongholds and the up-coming instances I don't think that's particularly hard either.

I dont want it super easy. I Dont want it super hard.

I want it to be party based content.

If completing the level 30 quest unlocks out job, all other job quests should require you to be on that job to continue. Which means you should need a group, since you are gimped soloing on a job!

I just want some fun with my friends and not be able to solo my AFs like 70% of the game.

I hope it will be some interesting quests, with cutscenes, why not some coffers farm, bosses etc.

So many hopes ready to be shattered.

there are 2 new raids in 1.21, i wouldnt be surprised to see them tie into the job gear.

Job gear needs to be challenging to obtain. (read, quest based, party based play, not time-sink 1/20 chance at a drop of a item)

If you want it purely for looks, convince SE to open a cash shop for a stat-less version of the gear you want and buy each piece with real money. (please don't take me seriously here)

They took Warrior's pirate hat from the concept art and replaced it with some kinda Viking-ish helm. /ragequit.

No, you should not be able to get gear that looks almost like the Job gear int hat picture without actually unlocking the Job and earning it through subsequent quests.

The whole point is that in the context of this world those uniforms are meant to be iconic of the Jobs they represent. They are separate from classes and we will have to go through a number of quests to reach the potential of any single Job. In the same manner one earns a uniform that has meaning, one should earn these Job gears.

Another point is, surely there will be more sets unlocked for each Job in the future that follow the same basic gear design - thus making it so one can wear them for vanity on regular classes is silly.

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Originally Posted by Junpei

I dont want it super easy. I Dont want it super hard.

I want it to be party based content.

If completing the level 30 quest unlocks out job, all other job quests should require you to be on that job to continue. Which means you should need a group, since you are gimped soloing on a job!

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Actually I expect the quests to be solo - however I hope for them to be well designed. I have it playing out in my mind like a series of trials one goes through to learn the secrets of what the Job entails - and by overcoming these trials they become enlightened. Think Cecil's trial when he set out to become a Paladin.

The quests should be thematic, and ask of the player to perform the duty that Job will be tasked with in a party.

Give an aspiring PLD survival and protection oriented quests that test it's ability to stay alive and protect party NPCs.
Give an aspiring WHM healing and supporting oriented quests that entail keeping party NPCs alive.
So on, so forth.

The quests should be challenging and should actually teach you the Job in the process even - but without the feeling of being a simple tutorial. So when you see someone in their iconic Job AF, you know they earned it.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

No.... So when you see someone in their iconic Job AF, you know they earned it.

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That's the only reason OP and anyone needs.

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Originally Posted by Belial

They took Warrior's pirate hat from the concept art and replaced it with some kinda Viking-ish helm. /ragequit.

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Actually, it was still the very same helm in the concept art. Just tougher to see.

http://www.dualshockers.com/wp-conte...FFXIV_2_07.jpg

Not really that tough to see.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Actually, it was still the very same helm in the concept art. Just tougher to see.

Not really that tough to see.

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God damnit, schooled. The concept art I had looked at was different and when I found it, I found one of much better quality than when I had first seen it, and there certainly is no pirate hat.

Hmm... going to digress a bit but, I just noticed the horn on BRD's waist. So they get a Barp and a horn? Sweet!
http://na.square-enix.com/ffxiv/job_pose.jpg

Link to hi-res.

I could explain that I'm willing to put more 'work' into this than I may have led you all to believe (basically anything short of having to do a raid and depending on low drops + competition would be alright), but why should people who think that you have to actually work for simply being able to look like a Final Fantasy character be appeased? MMOs have come into a terrible sense that they should "belong" to the hardcore or something.

I'd understand your annoyance if I was saying I wanted full AF gear with good stats effortlessly, I'm saying I just want the robe, I would even take it at a stat PENALTY.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Hmm... going to digress a bit but, I just noticed the horn on BRD's waist. So they get a Barp and a horn? Sweet!
http://na.square-enix.com/ffxiv/job_pose.jpg

Link to hi-res.

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Did you notice the quiver? It looks like a flute or clarinet of sorts..

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9035/bardvw.jpg

Flute was in the concept art... Maybe they can use it.
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6995/bard2f.jpg

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Did you notice the quiver? It looks like a flute or clarinet of sorts..

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9035/bardvw.jpg

Flute was in the concept art... Maybe they can use it.
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6995/bard2f.jpg

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Very good find with that quiver. It may just be a design element due to their profession being musical, but having access to multiple instruments as such with different animations would be so sweet.

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Originally Posted by CepheiMordred

I could explain that I'm willing to put more 'work' into this than I may have led you all to believe (basically anything short of having to do a raid and depending on low drops + competition would be alright), but why should people who think that you have to actually work for simply being able to look like a Final Fantasy character be appeased? MMOs have come into a terrible sense that they should "belong" to the hardcore or something.

I'd understand your annoyance if I was saying I wanted full AF gear with good stats effortlessly, I'm saying I just want the robe, I would even take it at a stat PENALTY.

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Take a minute to look at the gear design for all the various classes in game right now. Take a look at the atmosphere of Eorzea. Each Final Fantasy title has a unique design palette. Now, take a look at the Job AF gear. They are quite clearly thematic and quite removed from the rest of the gear choices to represent the iconic, classic jobs. Yet, at the same time, they are designed in detail to fit well with the current palette.

That right there gives these iconic gears a distinction. It makes them desirable and meaningful.

What you're asking for can be likened to asking for counterfeit items. You want the looks, but you don't want the quality. It's pretentious and misleading. Not to mention illegal. :D

In other words, all power and glory unto the Hardcore and everyone who doesn't measure up can wear rags.

Do I detect an Occupy Eorzea movement in the making?!?!

/roleplayingthread

Job quests start at level 30 and progress to level 50. One every 5 levels. If you can't solo level 30 quests at level 50, gods help you...

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Originally Posted by CepheiMordred

In other words, all power and glory unto the Hardcore and everyone who doesn't measure up can wear rags.

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lol.

Don't feed the ridiculous hardcore vs casual debate bulls#*t anymore than it's already been fed. If you think doing a line of quests to unlock iconic job gear which signifies that you have that job is hardcore then I have nothing more to say to you.

You can continue to hear what you chose to hear.

Hi Cephei! Lately I seem to be the thread devil's advocate here.

On the aesthetic level, I would love to be able to wear one of these costumes. T'would be nice if there was a level 30 set to be attained. And a level 50 set balanced alongside endgame gear.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

lol.

Don't feed the ridiculous hardcore vs casual debate bulls#*t anymore than it's already been fed. If you think doing a line of quests to unlock iconic job gear which signifies that you have that job is hardcore then I have nothing more to say to you.

You can continue to hear what you chose to hear.

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No, you are the one to mishear me.

I'm all for unlocking the classes, and waiting till 50 if I must.

However, some seem to think that the 'iconic' look must needs be kept out of reach of those who don't raid and don't want to grind low drop rate bosses. That's who I'm objecting to.

Anything short of that and I will accept it.

This is not 'gimme free stuff,' and honestly I do think, as Fiosha just said, a level 30 set would be nice.

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Originally Posted by CepheiMordred

No, you are the one to mishear me.

I'm all for unlocking the classes, and waiting till 50 if I must.

However, some seem to think that the 'iconic' look must needs be kept out of reach of those who don't raid and don't want to grind low drop rate bosses. That's who I'm objecting to.

Anything short of that and I will accept it.

This is not 'gimme free stuff,' and honestly I do think, as Fiosha just said, a level 30 set would be nice.

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The AF gear will not be based on a drop rate. At least not the initial set we unlock when we unlock a job. It's already been confirmed that the job quests will reward job skills, weapons and gear.