It broke my heart when they took these two (origin) main characters away ..

The title says it all.. when i first jumped into FFXIV 1.0. back then (pre A Realm Reborn) the first two characters with whom my characters had the first contact with...

in this superb Intro movie (watch it also after the small fight):
Final Fantasy XIV Gridania 1.0. Intro


Cant believe that SE took their lifes so easy away. I mean YDA's death was for more or less a huge SIDE note (Oh sorry guys im not YDA, im Lyse - her sister, she died some years agao)... sorry that wasn't something Yda deserved.. to get cut out of the game like a small sidekick note.

But well maybe the original Yda and Papalymo died already in the launch of "A Realm Reborn"... when they received different voiceover etc. too (which i liked more back then).What i dont understand why do all characters have to die that SE doesnt want to be part of the party anymore? They could leave the parties for other reasons than death... and make a comeback in other expansions or not. But death is so finate. And with Yda it felt way too constructed (and unnecessary) i dont understand for what we needed Lyse?

My 2 cents for Yda and Papalymo..

Is that Yda in that video, the real Yda?
I liked Papalymo's voice there way more too.

it is war, people die, that's just how it is.

spoiler alert for those who didn't finished 4.0 story:

and wasn't the 1.0 Yda already actually Lyse? also Lyse left the party at the end of 4.0, without dying. Gosetsu didn't died either, just our character / the scions think he's dead.

Papalymo's death as a tragedy is at least acknowledged, because all he did was buy us time to stop something that shouldn't have happened.

On the other hand, all that happened to Yda was that the Yda you knew was actually Lyse all along, that's why she had a carefree nature that seemed to clash with the other Scions.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Papalymo's death as a tragedy is at least acknowledged, because all he did was buy us time to stop something that shouldn't have happened.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that Papalymo will turn up again at some point and is not actually gone... to have two characters basically go out Louisoix style like that just doesn't seem appropriate and maybe we'll find out that Omega or Garlemald has him captive or something.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

The title says it all.. when i first jumped into FFXIV 1.0. back then (pre A Realm Reborn) the first two characters with whom my characters had the first contact with...

in this superb Intro movie (watch it also after the small fight):
Final Fantasy XIV Gridania 1.0. Intro


*snip*

My 2 cents for Yda and Papalymo..

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Thank you for posting the link! I had never seen the 1.0 intros and I've got to say Yda, I mean Lysa, and Papalymo had me laughing all during their cut scenes. It makes me wish we had seen more of that in ARR and beyond.

I also agree with you. Yda's death is such a throwaway that I have to wonder what the writers were thinking. It's all handled way too cavalierly, and worst of all, it is unnecessary. Yda could have gone on after her friend's death and we need not ever had "Lyse" introduced.

As far as Papalymo, I'm on the fence. On one hand, he never seemed to do much in the story, so death is a good way of writing out a character whom never caught fire with the writing staff. On the other hand, I have to ask why he couldn't have been included in the continuing story. I just don't get it.

I miss that little man. :c

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

I mean YDA's death was for more or less a huge SIDE note (Oh sorry guys im not YDA, im Lyse - her sister, she died some years agao)... sorry that wasn't something Yda deserved.. to get cut out of the game like a small sidekick note.

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We have never met Yda. The 'Yda' you encountered in the very first cutscene for Gridania back in 1.0 was Lyse all along. Yda died years before the WoL enters the story. The nature of 'Yda's' mask has been a very conspicuous mystery ever since 1.0 so I actually think the Yda/Lyse switch was planned all along since the very beginning.

In Papalymo's case I actually think his death was needed. Some kind of tragedy was necessary for Ilberd's actions to really hit home and Papalymo's death was the catalyst for Lyse to finally get serious. She became a much more sombre character after her friend died. That sort of shift in character means that Papalymo's death wasn't meaningless at all from a writing perspective. There's also the issue that he served solely as a foil to 'Yda's' carefree nature so her reveal as Lyse sort of rendered him obsolete. It was better to let him go out in a blaze of glory than have the writers make up a new arbitrary reason for him to be relevant to the story.

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Originally Posted by Tint

it is war, people die, that's just how it is.

spoiler alert for those who didn't finished 4.0 story:

and wasn't the 1.0 Yda already actually Lyse? also Lyse left the party at the end of 4.0, without dying. Gosetsu didn't died either, just our character / the scions think he's dead.

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90% of ff14 1.0 was echo CS. as of the last quest of Hw+ start of storm blood yda has been dead 6 years. the calamity happen 5 years befor ARR and for all we knoe from ARR-ebd of HW was a year. most 1.0 echo cs happen over the course of 15 years. In ul'dah you see minfilia as a bratty child.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

90% of ff14 1.0 was echo CS. as of the last quest of Hw+ start of storm blood yda has been dead 6 years. the calamity happen 5 years befor ARR and for all we knoe from ARR-ebd of HW was a year. most 1.0 echo cs happen over the course of 15 years. In ul'dah you see minfilia as a bratty child.

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hm, if this is true, then i'll delete my other post ^^ thought all the replies refering to 1.0 Yda as Lyse would be enough of an answer for my question >.>

at least legacy players should have gotten another cutscene then, with a little more emotion.

How much of 1.0 can we even trust at this point? With so much of it retconned and retooled for 2.0, I take all 1.0 storybeats and characters with a grain of salt.

Everything from Y'shtola being an apparent bamf with the Echo in 1.0 to the entire Circle of Knowing being Echo-less in 2.0 to Estinien suddenly not having stone grey skin as he did in 1.0 at his reappearance.... So much 1.0 stuff was just dropped.

Personally, I like the Yda switch to Lyse. Lyse's lack of knowledge, impulsive nature, and Papalymo's frustration with her misunderstanding so many things the rest of the Circle had no issue with always raised red flags. She felt like Pap's apprentice at times.

Then it turns out she basically was, and the story behind it is a hell of a lot better than "Yda's just a super ditz."

People die, it's the cycle of life. You can't expect everyone to be immortal because you love them.

Plus, 1.0 and 2.0 are supposed to be considered as 2 different game, even if the universe stay the same. People should stop being so attached to the past and go forward. 1.0 is gone, all the team in charge of it is gone.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

People die, it's the cycle of life. You can't expect everyone to be immortal because you love them.

Plus, 1.0 and 2.0 are supposed to be considered as 2 different game, even if the universe stay the same. People should stop being so attached to the past and go forward. 1.0 is gone, all the team in charge of it is gone.

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It's funny you say that but sorry to burst that bubble, 1.XX does exist. It's even written into FFXIV's Lore History. Whether people want to accept it or not, we wouldn't have ARR if 1.0 never existed.

I liked the reveal that the Yda we know has actually been Lyse all along. It makes sense for the character than Yda's an airhead with the no attention span. Remember that the members of the Circle of Knowing are all Sharlayan Archons. The thing is that all Archons are (or are supposed to be) academics. Being an Archon seems to be like being a scientist. Yda was constantly lost when the conversation reached highly technical levels, which if she was a true Archon she would have been able to follow.

As for Papalymo's death, it was unfortunately necessary to develop Lyse. When Lyse was being Yda, she was constantly following Papalymo's lead. Losing Papalymo means that Lyse now has to stand on her own and decide for herself. She has to grow up now.

I miss the dynamic that Yda and Papalymo had (I legit thought they were a couple when I first met them in game), but I'm not unhappy with the direction in which the story has

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

Thank you for posting the link! I had never seen the 1.0 intros and I've got to say Yda, I mean Lysa, and Papalymo had me laughing all during their cut scenes. It makes me wish we had seen more of that in ARR and beyond.

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The 1.0 intros were fantastic :) Limsa and Gridania were always my favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD45euKWO1U - Uldah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKvZPxNsuY - Limsa

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Originally Posted by Alberel

We have never met Yda. The 'Yda' you encountered in the very first cutscene for Gridania back in 1.0 was Lyse all along. Yda died years before the WoL enters the story. The nature of 'Yda's' mask has been a very conspicuous mystery ever since 1.0 so I actually think the Yda/Lyse switch was planned all along since the very beginning.

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But the Yda in the echo portions of the 1.0 Gridania story is the real Yda, Yda died 6 years before the calamity, 1 year before the "current time" of 1.0, any echo flashback older than 1 year featuring Yda is the real Yda.

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Originally Posted by HakkyounoTenshi

I miss the dynamic that Yda and Papalymo had (I legit thought they were a couple when I first met them in game), but I'm not unhappy with the direction in which the story has

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Considering the lyrics to Stormblood's song contain the line "A lover lost" in them, I'm... pretty sure they were.

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

It's funny you say that but sorry to burst that bubble, 1.XX does exist. It's even written into FFXIV's Lore History. Whether people want to accept it or not, we wouldn't have ARR if 1.0 never existed.

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Yes. Everyone is well aware ARR wouldn't have happened if 1.0 wasn't such an disaster.

The problem is while so much of 1.0's story remained canon, every bit as much was retconned, removed, and cannibalized for 2.0 onwards.

Unless you have the direct lore book references and hard confirmation from CURRENT 2.0 and onwards information, it's unreasonable to say, "Yes, this absolutely still applies to the world and story."

There has not been one mention of Greenwrath in 2.0 and on, yet that was at the core of Grid's early story line.

Honestly, if you look at things now, you can clearly see 1.0 details that started after Yoshi-P took charge remained, while everything prior is a vague mess of "is this still canon?"

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

There has not been one mention of Greenwrath in 2.0 and on, yet that was at the core of Grid's early story line.

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Actually there is a mention in a post 60 LTW quest, and I recall reading in these forums that the calamity weakened the elementals, so 5 years later it's no wonder the fear of the greenwath was diminished.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Actually there is a mention in a post 60 LTW quest, and I recall reading in these forums that the calamity weakened the elementals, so 5 years later it's no wonder the fear of the greenwath was diminished.

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Post level 60 on LTW of all things is pretty hardcore, lol.

The weakening of the elementals was our best theory as to why Greenwrath is no longer a widespread threat. It makes sense considering much of the shroud was razed in the Calamity, but their isn't even a hint of flavortext referencing despite many citizen's unease with adventurers.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Post level 60 on LTW of all things is pretty hardcore, lol.

The weakening of the elementals was our best theory as to why Greenwrath is no longer a widespread threat. It makes sense considering much of the shroud was razed in the Calamity, but their isn't even a hint of flavortext referencing despite many citizen's unease with adventurers.

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Yeah we have a few Shroud lore nerds in my current FC and all of them are rather upset with the sunshine and roses turn that the writers did with Gridania. I understand that the 1.0 Shroud was hell from a gameplay standpoint even having never experienced it, but it bothers me immensely that they try so very hard to sweep the nastiness of Gridania and the amoral elementals under the rug in the current content we have available. I'd kill for there to be signs of the Greenwrath returning, just from what my enthusiastic friends have stated about it.

The elementals used all their dang power to protect themselves from Bahamut. Notice how every other zone has gigantic crystallized aether scars? The elementals didn't want that happening.

I think, overall, there's not as much characterization for Limsa or Gridania. Limsa's a barely held-together coalition of pirate lords who keep causing wars with beastmen, and Gridania is a whole civilization at the mercy of a sentient, indifferent forest. I know there was a ton about them in... the before times, but that's all gone now. I hope now that Ala Mhigo is free we start to engage more with those other two.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

The elementals used all their dang power to protect themselves from Bahamut. Notice how every other zone has gigantic crystallized aether scars? The elementals didn't want that happening.

I think, overall, there's not as much characterization for Limsa or Gridania. Limsa's a barely held-together coalition of pirate lords who keep causing wars with beastmen, and Gridania is a whole civilization at the mercy of a sentient, indifferent forest. I know there was a ton about them in... the before times, but that's all gone now. I hope now that Ala Mhigo is free we start to engage more with those other two.

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I just want them to address the issues they have with Duskwight and Miqo'te beyond side quests. It's kind of annoying how that city state is presented as the most pacifistic and idealistic, yet we keep seeing glimpses and rumors about how horribly tribal Miqo'te and Duskwight are treated.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Cant believe that SE took their lifes so easy away. I mean YDA's death was for more or less a huge SIDE note (Oh sorry guys im not YDA, im Lyse - her sister, she died some years agao)... sorry that wasn't something Yda deserved.. to get cut out of the game like a small sidekick note.

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Uh...1.0 Yda is Lyse. We never met the real Yda.