Hello,
I was playing around with Earthly star in the Ruby Sea and I noticed that its damage wasn't adding up. After 10 seconds, it should have the same potency as Gravity, but it was consistently doing about 25% less damage. This was on a single target, so no damage reductions came into play. The difference between Earthly dominance and Giant dominance damage potency is also 25%. I thought that maybe it wasn't getting the Mend damage boosts, but those are at 40%. The only thing I can think of is that either the tool tip is wrong or the devs screwed it up somehow when they were changing it from the 900 or so healing potency it used to be at.
I've tried it on multiple characters and it's always the same thing. I submitted a bug report via the in-game tool, but I wanted to make this post so that other players are aware of it as well.
Earthly Star damage nerf
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06-26-2017, 05:48 AMPomoEarthly Star damage nerf
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06-26-2017, 06:31 AMRiyshn
I don't know it for sure, but I've seen a couple people say that Earthly Star's damage is calculated as if from a pet, so ~20% less than the potency suggests sounds about right.
...not that having that reduction in the first place makes sense. I can't imagine it would be all that hard to just list that actual potencies. -
06-26-2017, 07:08 AMPomoIt doesn't though given that the Sch pets have benefited from the Mend boosts in the past. Assuming Earthly Star is a pet that doesn't get the mend boosts, then the difference should be 40% and not ~25%. I further believe that the tool tip is currently wrong with the reason being either an error on the translation team or a goof on the devs when they changed the ability's potencies from an earlier build.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riyshn
I tested it with Earthly and Giant Dominance and they were both behaving as expected, but the end result was still about 25% off in both cases. I'm currently locked out of my characters due to how late SE and Amazon were at sending out the physical game, but I'll give a more detailed report when they arrive unless someone else wants to do in my stead. I also noticed that Earthly Star missed against a level 52 enemy at the beginning of the Earthly Sea, but I've yet to be able to replicate that. I believe I took a screen shot of the battle logs when it occurred, but I'm not sure how to post that here. -
06-26-2017, 07:40 AMRubissThis is false. Pets have always been affected by Mend and Maim at least as far as 3.0 is concerned. A lot of people saw the tooltips and got excited, not realizing that it always gave pets +30%Quote:
Originally Posted by Pomo
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06-26-2017, 08:01 AMPomoFor sure. I was just using that assumption to show that even if it wasn't affected by the mend traits, the numbers are still off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubiss
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06-26-2017, 08:13 AMRiyshn
It's not about Maim and Mend, pets just scale at ~80% compared to a player. Has been like that since... the start of HW, I believe.
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06-26-2017, 08:21 AMPomoInteresting. Do you have a source for the 80% scaling? I looked it up and the only thing I could find was pets taking "snapshots" of your character when summoned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riyshn
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06-26-2017, 12:13 PMLegoTechnicEmbrace heals for roughly 30% less than you would expect from potency comparisons with players. It's been this way since Heavensward, and continues into Stormblood. For instance currently my level 70 SCH (ilvl 286) heals between 6000 and 6300 with its 400 potency Physick, whereas Embrace heals between 2400 and 2550 at 250 potency. This actually makes Embrace heal with an effective player potency of about 160, or almost 40% less than what I would have hoped for currently in game right at this moment, and I have pulled previous testing values in HW and also at level 60 in SB when the ratio was 20%-30%. This is also true for Whispering Dawn, which currently heals between 970 and 1050 for me on non-critical heal pulses, about 35% less than what you would expect from a 100 potency heal from a player. This basically means in order for the fairy to actually match its listed potency, you have to Rouse it just to break even.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pomo
I've tested Shadowflare and it still damages at expected potency so Earthly Star isn't effected because it's a ground skill, but it may be paying the "fairy tax" for some reason. Out of curiosity, does it still heal at expected potency values compared to Benefic? -
06-26-2017, 01:36 PMPomoI can't test right now as SE or Amazon sent out my physical copy a few days ago. I'll check whenever it arrives unless someone else wants to do it. I honestly never thought to check the heal as it was good enough in my eyes. The issue I had was with how little damage Earthly Star did, which is why I zeroed in on it so quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegoTechnic
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06-26-2017, 07:54 PMAlphaSonicEarthly star acts like the turret deployed by MCH (they even share the same AoE Marker when deploying them), so I suppose that's not a Fairy Tax but a Turret Tax. I think the MCH turret deals less damage compared to MCH.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegoTechnic
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06-26-2017, 08:32 PMRubissAs it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSonic
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06-27-2017, 06:29 PMPomoI'll post my work in an edit, but Benefic 1,2 and both versions of Earthly Star are healing to their expected potency. I took off my stances to keep the 10%-15% boost out too. I'll double check the damage potency again when I finish with the healing potencies.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegoTechnic
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Benefic 400 pot
Normal heals 5046 5085 5193 5198 5128 4947 5150 5107 5034 5201
avg =5108.9
heal/pot=12.77225
%diff from total heal/pot avg=0.9418150127%
Benefic 2 650 pot
Normal heals 7986 8068 8293 8279 8126 7988 8208 8301 8362 8455
avg=8206.6
heal/pot=12.62553846
*12059 crit 12130 bold with ! 12294 12031
%diff from total heal/pot avg=0.2176775694%
Earthly Dominance 540 pot
Normal heals 6869 6649 6916 7022 6828 6794 6844 6885 6684 6884
avg=6837.5
heal/pot=12.66203704
%diff from total heal/pot avg=0.077849048%
Giant Dominiance 720 pot
Normal heals 8940 8838 9094 9096 9033 9155 8814 9250 9145 9013
*crit! 13447
avg=9037.8
heal/pot=12.5525
%diff from total heal/pot avg=0.7949160918%
Total Avg Heal/pot= 12.65308138
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06-27-2017, 08:16 PMamihavingfunyet
Did some very short math on the damage. Also this is done at Lv 62, so numbers are a bit lower, but this shouldn't change much
Code:Malefic 2
180 potency
damage: 2484 2419 2394 2593 2601 2515 2610 2477 2400 2453
avg damage: 2494,6
avg. damage/potency: 13,86
Earthly Star - Earthly Dominance
150 potency
damage: 1511 1511 1555 1551 1466
avg damage: 1518,8
avg. damage/potency: 10,16
Earthly Star - Giant Dominance (I guess I got a little unlucky on those)
200 potency
damage: 1903 2014 1938 1989 1997
avg damage: 1968,2
avg. damage/potency: 9,841
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07-14-2017, 03:58 AMamihavingfunyet
Update: It seems to be fixed with 4.01. Numbers:
Code:Malefic III
Potency: 220
Damage: 4318 4385 4243 4336 4399 4380 45351 4467 4457 4220
Avg. Damage: (43556/10) = 4355.6
Avg. Damage/Potency: 19.798
Code:Earthly Star - Earthly Dominance
Potency: 150
Damage: 2812 2908 2860 2971 2907 2858 2987 2902 2830 2852
(4044) (4361)
Avg. Damage: (28887/10) = 2888.7
Avg. Damage/Potency: 19.258
On a different matter: I noticed that sometimes (rarely) if I let Earthly Star time out and detonate on itself, it doesn't do damage nor healing. Both were done with /ac "Earthly Star" <t> and I did not move around or do anything else.Code:Earthly Star - Giant Dominance
Potency: 200
Damage: 3687 3800 3970 3679 3822 3970 3729 4033 3794 3908
(5843)
Avg. Damage: (38392/10) = 3839.2
Avg. Damage/Potency: 19,196
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07-14-2017, 04:10 AMLegoTechnic
So was ES stealth-fixed in 4.01 and no longer pay a damage tax? That's good to know.