Can we please also have swimming in other 2.0 and 3.0 areas?

I was so excited to hear that they redid costa del sol for swimming, but was utterly disappointed that that was the only old area where we could swim. Now it would have been the perfect time to get rid of all the stupid invisible walls that plague old areas and lets us swim. North shroud is still triggering me hard (That river you have to cross by bridge because invisible walls are prohibiting you from crossing it by river), please make the river and water areas swimmable, I do not even need the ability to dive, I just want the world feel less restrictive. If there is one thing I hate in this game it's how restrictive the maps are, and this would be a huge step towards better enviroment.

some of those invisible walls are there for a reason, it might break the structure of the game if you could just swim anywhere with water. the same reason why there's no flying in the pre lvl 50 areas.

Don't think it's worth the resources honestly

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Originally Posted by Listrella

some of those invisible walls are there for a reason, it might break the structure of the game if you could just swim anywhere with water. the same reason why there's no flying in the pre lvl 50 areas.

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Yeah some obviously are, but there are also so many that are not and are there simply because going to water wasnt possible in the past. Take for example Fallgour Float, the whole water area beneath it could easily be swimmable. Maybe some zones would need a minor reconstructing, but I think it would be such a huge step to making the world less restrictive.

I honestly would have loved to take a dip in the oasis that is in the Goblet. I was a bit disappointed that you can't swim by the waterfall coming from the main tower.

The "perfect" time to get rid of all the invisible walls does kind of assume that they would have had the development time to make that change for every feasible swimming location (or even most of them), as it's sadly not as simple as just removing invisible walls.

It's likely that none of those areas even have collision detection, so they'd have to add in the type they having for swimming on the surface, plus transition zones (aka where you go from being on land to in the water), and of course the testing to make sure they are all correctly added so players don't get stuck or fall through the world, or create any other bugs/issues with the zone itself (in short, they'd have to QA it).

I certainly believe it's doable over time to make more and more of the rivers and lakes places you can swim in (and believe we should keep asking for them to add them), but I think it's a bit optimistic to think that it would have accompanied the expansion (which are generally known for their all hands on deck approach, leaving little time for things lower on the priority list).

Swimming in the housing areas and towns, please. :)

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Originally Posted by Keramory

Don't think it's worth the resources honestly

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Fair point, I dunno how meaningful this is to people but to me personally this would mean a lot. I also am not sure how much work it would actually require, I would imagine not so much as you would only need to remove the walls and add swimmable water there. EDIT: of course some places require more than others, and I do not expect this to happen in an instant, but by adding more and more places where to swim with updates and eventually having all the old zones supporting it.

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Originally Posted by Kling-Klang

Swimming in the housing areas and towns, please. :)

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They are thinking about this. They don't want to imbalance the housing areas that has a lot of water so they are holding off on it right now.

I don't get why they added swimming. It's added nothing to the game and it's done horribly. Jump in water? Linger there for a second. Dive? Have a loading screen. Wanna move your camera below the surfice while not submerged? El Oh El. The entire underwater areas is solely built for gatherers and a couple of quests. The dev time would have better been spent anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Samsta

Fair point, I dunno how meaningful this is to people but to me personally this would mean a lot. I also am not sure how much work it would actually require, I would imagine not so much as you would only need to remove the walls and add swimmable water there. EDIT: of course some places require more than others, and I do not expect this to happen in an instant, but by adding more and more places where to swim with updates and eventually having all the old zones supporting it.

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It's more then just removing the walls. As mentioned above... there's quite a bit too it. In addition to adding in the swim/dive function.

Plus finally adding the crazy amount of testing to ensure no one gets stuck or access parts they're not supposed to.

It'd eat up a lot of time for a game where people are either in only the new stuff or in a town. Don't get me wrong i love quality of life updates but I don't see them doing it for everything

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Originally Posted by Pence

I don't get why they added swimming. It's added nothing to the game and it's done horribly. Jump in water? Linger there for a second. Dive? Have a loading screen. Wanna move your camera below the surfice while not submerged? El Oh El. The entire underwater areas is solely built for gatherers and a couple of quests. The dev time would have better been spent anywhere else.

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cause it's great for advertising. completely expected this when they said there's no fighting underwater.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

cause it's great for advertising. completely expected this when they said there's no fighting underwater.

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Also great for storytelling, as it allows for another type of setting for characters, places, and plots.

But if you choose to be cynical about it, sure it's a nice feature to add to advertising as well.

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Originally Posted by Pence

I don't get why they added swimming. It's added nothing to the game and it's done horribly.

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I couldn't disagree with you more, for me mmorpg is all about the world, and having more interactive and more explorable world is one of the top priorities for me. It makes the game feel more like a world rather than a guided instance which has sections blocked off. ffxiv already is one of the poorest mmorpg's in this regards (2.0 areas are honestly pretty small and restrictive) but they keep getting better every expansion. I agree that the loading screens are pretty weird, but like I said this game already feels clumsy and has a shit ton of loading screens and I believe it has something to do with the original desing of the game which is obviously bad. My dream would be to have a full open world like wow but I realise it is not possible, so at least I would like to have the maps feels as non-restrictive as possible.

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Originally Posted by Keramory

It's more then just removing the walls. As mentioned above... there's quite a bit too it. In addition to adding in the swim/dive function.

Plus finally adding the crazy amount of testing to ensure no one gets stuck or access parts they're not supposed to.

It'd eat up a lot of time for a game where people are either in only the new stuff or in a town. Don't get me wrong i love quality of life updates but I don't see them doing it for everything

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yeah I understand that it's not just removing the walls since obviously the areas that are behind it are unplayable (probably no collision) but it also isn't something that cannot be done across multiple patches.

I support this. The patch notes made it seem like there would be swimming in a few new places. I'm not asking for a revamp like costa, but there are some great places that would be sooooooo great to swim in.

Dravanian Hinterlands, the housing areas, the pond outside the church in east shroud.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

Also great for storytelling, as it allows for another type of setting for characters, places, and plots.

But if you choose to be cynical about it, sure it's a nice feature to add to advertising as well.

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If it's really about storytelling, more of the MSQ would involve it. I'm not done with the MSQ yet but only the Ruby Sea actually had storyline relevant to swimming. Up to Lv 68 MSQ there were at least 2 other opportunities for it that i saw that they didn't care to take advantage of. maybe Lv 69-70 MSQs will have me drowning in it but i doubt it. call me a cynic if you want, but those are very surface level observations i think.

As someone who loved Vashjr in WoW seems a waste not to do underwater combat.

Gawd what I wouldn't give to have a truly open world that let us run/fly/swim wherever we wished... not like the size of the zones is any better than open world games...

OK. Where? The only other ARR areas I can think of that'd justify swimming being added is Silvertear Lake and Camp Bronze Lake. Everywhere else is either visibly too shallow or flat out too small to justify spending resources and time on.

Limsa itself and Vesper Bay.

But small is probably why they can justify spending time on it, so that it won't take that much time.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

Limsa itself and Vesper Bay.

But small is probably why they can justify spending time on it, so that it won't take that much time.

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I don't know about every big city of the world, but Limsa should not have swimming in it just because the water is reserved for ship passage and general business.

Adding swimming to housing area like in Mist like in costa del sol, in the new housing area, and in the lake at the bottom of lavender bed could be really cool.
limited will be the goblet for which swimming could only be in those little pools in the central zone.

But Housing zone, bronze lake to cross by swimming would be a great add-on. Now I can miss some place where swimming could be fun. (Hinterland in the river where is Alexander?)

I must admit the most surprising omission with respect to swimming was that you can swim in Costa Del Sol, but not in the Mist.

I'd really like for them to add swimming to the deeper areas of the waters of the Mist, Goblet (Brimming Heart) and the Lavendar Beds, as well as the beach areas in the Shirogane housing area.

I mean the Mist was almost expected after learning of Costa Del Sol's swimming.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I must admit the most surprising omission with respect to swimming was that you can swim in Costa Del Sol, but not in the Mist.

I'd really like for them to add swimming to the deeper areas of the waters of the Mist, Goblet (Brimming Heart) and the Lavendar Beds, as well as the beach areas in the Shirogane housing area.

I mean the Mist was almost expected after learning of Costa Del Sol's swimming.

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They already addressed this. They don't want to create an imbalance for housing.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

They already addressed this. They don't want to create an imbalance for housing.

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Considering that there are potential places to swim in each of the housing zones, would it still create an imbalance?

Or do you mean that, for instance, the beachfront properties would be even more desirable, etc?

I do think the ability to swim in residential areas would be nice.

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Originally Posted by missybee

Considering that there are potential places to swim in each of the housing zones, would it still create an imbalance?

Or do you mean that, for instance, the beachfront properties would be even more desirable, etc?

I do think the ability to swim in residential areas would be nice.

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The Goblet especially would have to be redesigned. The water areas would actually have to be made deeper, at the very least. The area is also pretty small.

As I said in another similar thread, personally, I'd like to see The Goblet redesigned to have an actual lower area like its concept art, and we were able to swim down there:

http://i.imgur.com/dWXFgqR.jpg

Mist and Shirogane would be very easy to add swimming to. Lavender Beds would need a little reworking, so that players could get to the large bodies of water. Goblet would need a complete overhaul. I wonder if they could get away with putting Diving in Goblet only, if the trade off was that their surface water area was much smaller.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

The Goblet especially would have to be redesigned. The water areas would actually have to be made deeper, at the very least. The area is also pretty small.

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The water areas near the center of town could be deep enough for swimming (near to the large waterfall, etc). Granted, it probably wouldn't be terribly exciting to swim in those areas.

It's still an option though.

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Originally Posted by missybee

The water areas near the center of town could be deep enough for swimming (near to the large waterfall, etc). Granted, it probably wouldn't be terribly exciting to swim in those areas.

It's still an option though.

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Maybe, but you could always waterfloat around while waiting for DF, or while chatting.

I'm not sure that it would need a complete overhaul as suggested by several posters, the deeper areas would work, and yes, it might be a bit cramped, so add a little bit more water in the center or other areas where it might fit. But it's not like we're going to be running races there, it's just a leisure option...

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

They already addressed this. They don't want to create an imbalance for housing.

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I don't see how that creates an imbalance, all 4 housing areas have water areas that would be suitable for swimming. The Goblet is probably the smallest available area, but it could still be done.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I don't see how that creates an imbalance, all 4 housing areas have water areas that would be suitable for swimming. The Goblet is probably the smallest available area, but it could still be done.

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Do you have any recent memory of The Goblet? Most of the water area you can just wade through, and the rest isn't very deep at all.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

I don't see how that creates an imbalance, all 4 housing areas have water areas that would be suitable for swimming. The Goblet is probably the smallest available area, but it could still be done.

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They mentioned imbalance because the thing everyone was crying out for was swimming in Mist, specifically. They didn't want to add swimming to just that zone, so they're looking into it and seeing if they can add swimming to all housing zones. If they can't find something they're happy with for every zone, we won't get swimming in any housing zone.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

They mentioned imbalance because the thing everyone was crying out for was swimming in Mist, specifically. They didn't want to add swimming to just that zone, so they're looking into it and seeing if they can add swimming to all housing zones. If they can't find something they're happy with for every zone, we won't get swimming in any housing zone.

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Municipal swimming pools - it's the only way to be sure.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Do you have any recent memory of The Goblet? Most of the water area you can just wade through, and the rest isn't very deep at all.

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Yeah, I chill in the water regularly, it's small but there are areas where you might float around or something. I take the point that it's not very large, but with a tweak to the brimming heart area more space could be opened up.

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Originally Posted by Pence

I don't get why they added swimming. It's added nothing to the game and it's done horribly. Jump in water? Linger there for a second. Dive? Have a loading screen. Wanna move your camera below the surfice while not submerged? El Oh El. The entire underwater areas is solely built for gatherers and a couple of quests. The dev time would have better been spent anywhere else.

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You not liking something doesn't mean there isn't a market for it. I love the new underwater areas - they're great aesthetically, they provide a new layer for zone maps, there's stuff for gathering and quests as you yourself pointed out and it also appeals in terms of role-play opportunities.

It also opens up the doors to Blitzball later on.

Bronze lake would be an interesting addition...

We could have an underwater area to explore the ruins....

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

I support this. The patch notes made it seem like there would be swimming in a few new places. I'm not asking for a revamp like costa, but there are some great places that would be sooooooo great to swim in.

Dravanian Hinterlands, the housing areas, the pond outside the church in east shroud.

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The Housing Areas they're considering - but because of the fact that the Goblet specifically doesn't feature enough water to reasonably create a swimming area in (and technically they seemed to hint that players wouldn't really want to swim in the big lake in the Lavender Beds) - they'd have to create new areas specifically for swimming in those housing zones. Yoshi-P doesn't want people to automatically just want to swim at Mist beach or probably Shirogane beach. I'm certain it will happen eventually.

I don't think they'd really need to do anything to the Lavender Beds except add boundaries and easy access to the water. But the Goblet would absolutely need to have something done to it to give it a reasonable area to swim in. The Brimming Heart is too shallow and too small in most places to be of any actual consequence, especially in comparison to the Lavender Beds and Mist.

Nothing stopping them from digging a hole in Goblet to add depth though? Can always say Lolorito is feeling generous and decide to build a pool over there or something.

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

Nothing stopping them from digging a hole in Goblet to add depth though? Can always say Lolorito is feeling generous and decide to build a pool over there or something.

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Excavate some of the cliffs beside/behind the waterfall and expand the brimming heart. It doesn't have to be too deep, only deep enough for swimming, not diving.