Ya know what the worst part about all this is?

It's not the gating, it's not the issues, not the response from SE, no. Because at the end of the day, as far as MMO launches go, this is one of the smoothest pre-launches I've ever seen. No server crashes, no bringing it down for maintenance, all of the new mechanics and classes work beautifully, no lag. There's a single problem, that being the solo instances, which is a huge problem, no doubt, but still a single one.

The worst part, for me, is how quickly this community I remember being praised for it's inclusivity and friendliness is willing to turn into shrieking idiots, turning on each other and the game they 'love', over not having their way. Demanding the servers be shut down because they aren't getting their way, demanding people be fired or even die.


It's only gaem. Why you heff to be mad?

It's a game in early access, people, more-over, and MMO in early access, which made the admittedly naive mistake of not having any stress tests before release. I don't understand why everyone wants to get so heated and hateful.

I pay my sub too, (in fact, I pay two), I want to continue with the MSQ as much as anyone else, and yes, this is a huge problem, but is that justification to scream and rant and rave and make an ass of yourselves, non-stop? Or to start screeching at other players who disagree with you? Really stop and think about what you're doing. You're throwing a temper tantrum because your (Early Access) video game isn't working for you. Yes, other people are having the same issue, but just as many, if not many, many more, aren't having issues.

But, of course, since I'm not calling for everyone at SE to be fired or give me three free months or something stupid like that, I'm a white-knight, so, there you have it.

Yeah, I pretty much agree. I'm definitely a bit annoyed and am hoping for a speedy resolution, but the levels of salt from just about everyone else is a lot more aggravating to me than the game not working. It just makes an unpleasant experience even worse.

Nah it's posts like yours; they destroy greatness and accept subhuman degeneracy.

Just the vocal minority that this game has garnered through sheer popularity. They aren't indicative of the community I know and love. I give it a few weeks before they move onto complaining about something else.

The worst part is the Tuesday will be even more people and I don't think they will fix it in time.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

The worst part is the Tuesday will be even more people and I don't think they will fix it in time.

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This is my concern as well. I think it's imperative I get ahead of the bottleneck by Tuesday if I don't want to be looking at quite possibly being stuck for at least a week.

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Originally Posted by TDChangeling

It's not the gating, it's not the issues, not the response from SE, no. Because at the end of the day, as far as MMO launches go, this is one of the smoothest pre-launches I've ever seen. No server crashes, no bringing it down for maintenance, all of the new mechanics and classes work beautifully, no lag. There's a single problem, that being the solo instances, which is a huge problem, no doubt, but still a single one.

The worst part, for me, is how quickly this community I remember being praised for it's inclusivity and friendliness is willing to turn into shrieking idiots, turning on each other and the game they 'love', over not having their way. Demanding the servers be shut down because they aren't getting their way, demanding people be fired or even die.


It's only gaem. Why you heff to be mad?

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"No lag?"

Did you even DO palace of the dead on the first day? It was nothing but consistent lag and 90k's during primetime at best. I even saw posts and heard from people I know doing PVP and dungeons that they were being disconnected. The reason the server hasn't been brought down for maintenance is either because SE can't solve the problems we're currently having or in the case of solo instances, "keep trying or wait for it to work," like it'll magically just fix itself. The POTD issue fixed itself and the game is mostly playable outside of the expansion. Do you even see what is wrong with that sentence? An expansion pre-release happens, and for the grand total of the players it's completely unavailable. Let's also not forget that for the people who did get past, "the wall," there is a now a boss who basically deletes characters after you beat it, meaning you can't play the game period if you fail that dice roll.

Honestly, the only time I ever get mad about all of this is when people seriously try to defend all of the half-hearted things SE has done. I could also get over all of the other issues this game is having right now, but the boss glitch is pretty much unforgivable. It's such a massive oversight it's ridiculous. Having to hear from a friend + other basically saying that their character is stuck in complete limbo and they can't do anything about it is really the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

Vocal minority doing what it does best

If the launch is as disastrous as they claim, then the free market will speak for itself. The game itself isn't going anywhere so by all means, take all the time you need yoshi. In the meantime I'll be finishing up my backlog :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

these posts read like stockholm syndrome

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Originally Posted by TDChangeling

No server crashes [...] There's a single problem, that being the solo instances, which is a huge problem, no doubt, but still a single one.

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what are you talking about? there have been multiple server crashes, my own server was one of them, and there are issues with the duty finder and people getting 90k'd. the entire gaia datacenter had serious disconnect issues. There are people who have been unable to log in for a day because the first primal somehow rendered them unable to log in and sqex have said it will likely be days before they have a fix. A brief foray into the tech support forum shows there was and are more than one issue.

but by all means, continue to clutch your pearls and become terribly offended on sqex's behalf. sucks there are a couple people who said a guy should die but i am pretty sure that sqex can handle that, as well as the generous and entirely justified wave of negative feedback.

That bought this game and gave it a chance.

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Originally Posted by Jimsvaliant

Just the vocal minority that this game has garnered through sheer popularity. They aren't indicative of the community I know and love. I give it a few weeks before they move onto complaining about something else.

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This, exactly. You cant take Internet People seriously. Its impossible for them to be happy.

Sure love these not primal server crashes.

Yeah this crappy launch is making people crazy. I've had people, FC mates and people I thought were my friends suddenly and inexplicably be rude and cruel towards me, and I don't like this one bit. everyone is losing it.

Really? The vast majority of the playerbase not being able to get anywhere in the main story or into the new zones is the smoothest launch you've ever seen? On top of the totally normal and usual launch congestion issues, every game has those, but gamebreaking bugs are not "the smoothest launch ever". Can I have some of that koolaid?

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

This is my concern as well. I think it's imperative I get ahead of the bottleneck by Tuesday if I don't want to be looking at quite possibly being stuck for at least a week.

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There is no 'getting ahead'. I'm all the way in Yanxia trying and failing to do a solo duty there. I'm the only person clicking and I'm getting error 90ked.

To me the worst part is how amazing the expansion's content actually is. Several of my FC mates are ahead of the bottleneck and two of them are nearly level 68. Listening to them in discord, the content sounds ridiculously fun and the devs and Yoshi P did a hell of a job making the actual expansion content. This only serves to make the bottleneck more frustrating. Honestly, this early access period has been completely ruined for me by this point.

At this point. i'd be down for a few hours maintenance to be honest.

A smooth launch? At least once I got IN the server during ARR and HW early access I could at least PLAY the game. I've gotten through Raubahn and nothing else since early access started.

And now entering or leaving any instance can 90k you out and keep you out, or delete your character entirely like with SusanoO. Oh but sure...this is a SMOOTH launch. Maybe if you're a famous streamer it is.

I don't think it's just salt. People are trying for hours and hours to get past these. I managed to get past Raubaun and I'm in Doma now, but I can see the hate and anger it's generating that I'm there and they are not despite trying so hard. They think it's unfair and are just plain frustrated. I've actually heard people who were enjoying casual Heavensward that are now ready to quit altogether.

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Originally Posted by Avlon

I don't think it's just salt. People are trying for hours and hours to get past these. I managed to get past Raubaun and I'm in Doma now, but I can see the hate and anger it's generating that I'm there and they are not despite trying so hard. They think it's unfair and are just plain frustrated. I've actually heard people who were enjoying casual Heavensward that are now ready to quit altogether.

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Pretty much this.

A select few people in my FC have gotten past, and while we're a fairly close knit FC, people are starting to get anxious and antagonistic at each other over this thing. This is starting to have a snowball effect. Telling people that there's other things to do can only go so far, when this whole thing is starting to result in events that shouldn't be happening. My own raid group is literally about to split because of this, because one of our tanks has already unsubbed and his close friends are considering following. Spending the first few days of EA looking for a new raid group is not what I imagined doing.

The duty doesn't exist in a vacuum, this is becoming a disaster on a community level. People who get in can't enjoy what's there out of fear of failure. People trying to do the duty can't do anything else, and have to devote hours into the effort. People who made it past can't play with their friends that are still trying to get past the gauntlet. All of us know that the official launch is still days away, and yet the vast majority of players are still stuck at a duty one hour into the expansion. Wasn't the entire point of Early Access was to get a head start?

Then there's concerns about the game design and balance. At this point, literally everyone in EA is going to overlevel the main quest by a huge margin. There won't be any feedback from a minimal gear level, because most people are going to be level synced down to the highest possible stats for those instances, which means no one is going to see what's happening from the perspective of a new player that decides to start the game months after this fiasco has ended.

Speaking as a former forum moderator of another MMO that has seen how incidents like this change the community over the long term... It's a very worrying thing. This erodes community confidence by the hour, and it is far easier to lose someone's trust than to gain it.

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Originally Posted by Avlon

I don't think it's just salt. People are trying for hours and hours to get past these. I managed to get past Raubaun and I'm in Doma now, but I can see the hate and anger it's generating that I'm there and they are not despite trying so hard. They think it's unfair and are just plain frustrated. I've actually heard people who were enjoying casual Heavensward that are now ready to quit altogether.

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I can confirm that some people have been trying for hours. Today alone I have been at it for ~18.5 hours so far. Started at 3 AM eastern and I am still doing it right now (using my feet to talk to Raubahn and skipping the cutscene). Yesterday, I think I started Coldsteel at 9 or 10 AM eastern and went to midnight so 14-15 hours yesterday. So in total, I have exceeded 30 hours of attempting to get in. Tonight, I plan on an all nighter in an attempt to get through.

I'm generally either watching anime, reading ebooks, browsing the forum, or playing Mon Hun with my hands while talking to Raubahn with my feet.

I am prepared to shave off a couple years of my lifespan for this.

I'd say the worst part is people downplaying what is a dire situation and tarnishing everybody with complaints with the same brush by making it seem like they're being unreasonable.

Yes, some people have taken the complaints too far - that doesn't mean that the vast majority are not valid.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd say the worst part is people downplaying what is a dire situation and tarnishing everybody with complaints with the same brush by making it seem like they're being unreasonable.

Yes, some people have taken the complaints too far - that doesn't mean that the vast majority are not valid.

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I think the OP was speaking specifically to those that are indeed taking it too far. People that are demanding Yoshi get fired or demanding SE literally give over all of their online games to another company because of a few days of server problems. Yeah we should all be reporting this, yeah we should all be making sure SE and the dev team know we're having problems, but the sheer vitriol coming from some of these complaints is just....well, kinda depressing. I absolutely love this community, but it became as toxic as a F2P forum quick. People are showing their true colors, for sure.

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Originally Posted by Avlon

I don't think it's just salt. People are trying for hours and hours to get past these. I managed to get past Raubaun and I'm in Doma now, but I can see the hate and anger it's generating that I'm there and they are not despite trying so hard. They think it's unfair and are just plain frustrated. I've actually heard people who were enjoying casual Heavensward that are now ready to quit altogether.

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It doesn't really matter what else you wish to call it. The point is that yes, it's frustrating and disappointing, but there is a way to handle it like an adult and there is a way to handle it like a petulant child. An unfortunate number of people are choosing the latter and yelling and screaming, making up conspiracy theories about why they disconnected, and generally doing anything else other than getting up and walking outside because life is too short to be angry about video games.

I don't know. Maybe I've just been inoculated having played WoW and other MMOs for the better part of a decade dealing with numerous expansions and patches replete with bugs and crashes and all manner of annoyances. Maybe it's just a difference in how I was raised. Whatever the reason is, I just don't see any good reason to let yourself get angry over a video game and act like an idiot because of that.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'd say the worst part is people downplaying what is a dire situation and tarnishing everybody with complaints with the same brush by making it seem like they're being unreasonable.

Yes, some people have taken the complaints too far - that doesn't mean that the vast majority are not valid.

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The validity of the complaint isn't terribly relevant to the question of whether or not someone has taken it too far. If people are hurling abuse at SE staff or otherwise throwing a tantrum, it really doesn't matter whether their complaint is valid or not. The way they're behaving is shameful and ridiculous. Most of us here are adults. Being upset is not a reason to stop acting like it.

Sometimes the best thing you can do when you're frustrated is to step away from it. If there's a problem that isn't related to congestion, it'll be taken care of as soon as the dev team finds a solution. You have complaints and issues you want them to know? Point them out as calmly as you can,be concise, and let your personal feelings not undermine the issue you're trying to highlight.

There is no need to be upset.

I saw some incredibly nasty, toxic messages in /say, complete with racial slurs and f-bombs against the dev team and everyone else next to Raubahn. I reported him and received a GM response less than an hour later that they had a lot of reports on him and would be taking action. Report public idiocy.

I don't like that there is no queueing though. Even if I saw a several hour queue, ok, fine, I could run around doing other things, and have something I could actually monitor for progress. But when I see other people in my FC/LS go "it's easy, just keep trying, I clicked for an hour and got through!!".. yeah, it's bothering me. I've done more than that with nothing at all to show, other than aggravating RSI issues in my hands. The areas and music so far are beautiful, and I can't wait to really dig into DoH/DoL content, and try out diving.. but nope, here I am hoping that I can get through before GC deliveries asks me for items I can't get on my own yet.

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I saw some incredibly nasty, toxic messages in /say, complete with racial slurs and f-bombs against the dev team and everyone else next to Raubahn. I reported him and received a GM response less than an hour later that they had a lot of reports on him and would be taking action. Report public idiocy

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Your story is suspicious because their policy is to not tell you if or what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Your story is suspicious because their policy is to not tell you if or what they're doing.

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Well she said they told her they received a lot of reports about this person. They said nothing about what they were going to do, just that they were going to "take action". I've reported a few immensely toxic folks before during the old Crystal Tower raids, and the gm I spoke to back then also gave me the "We will take action" line.

That's more of frustration there not assume at least some not angry at the game itself they're angry because they want to progress in the game but they can't and so doing the same stuff over and over again can get very tedious and repetitive. Or if there is other things they can do no one's denying that I don't think but this is the thing you want to do but you can't progress in it you could see how many people would be frustrated and angry over that.

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Originally Posted by Poisonous

Really? The vast majority of the playerbase not being able to get anywhere in the main story or into the new zones is the smoothest launch you've ever seen? On top of the totally normal and usual launch congestion issues, every game has those, but gamebreaking bugs are not "the smoothest launch ever". Can I have some of that koolaid?

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This.

98% of the content we paid for is locked due to bad design. SB may as well not even be out if we can't even do anything with it.

Sorry but this is inexcusable. It's not the server issues people are mad about (it's expected, we know this), its the lack of a dev response to an error of their own making, making no one able to play the game.

It's ONLY the instance server? Huh, getting d/c'd over a dozen times yesterday must have been in my imagination. As well as the hour long queues I had to wait in when I got kicked. Or my FC mates who got kicked out even more than I did because they were trying to do Palace all day. The D/C's and massive queue times to log in must be my imagination today as well. Thank goodness someone was here to say everything is fine and dandy.