Does SE even cares about MCH At all?

It is still the LEAST popular dps compare to every other classes specially with BRD.. from what I learn about MCH u have to worry the *heat* problem otherwise u will be losing a lot of dps. I mean it's already BAD enough that we have to get the right rotation plus the RNG proc to get our dmg out there, now we have to worry about the *heat* management lol, it is ridiculous that BRD gets an easy rotation compare to us MCH. The punishment is just a bit too high for MCH make the class isn't enjoyable at all. ><

Well, firstly I wouldn't take polls too literally. I'm not saying MCH won't be the least-popular (something has to be? :P), but I mean 30% of the population isn't going to be RDM+SAM. Once people can play with all the changes themselves things will shift a bit. A lot of its current reputation will be factoring into polls.

Secondly, they've pruned a LOT from 3.X MCH. Our only damaging OGCDs have been reduced to just Gauss Round and Ricochet. Lead Shot's gone, as are Raging Strikes, Hawk's Eye and B4B. The Heat gauge might end up being complex, or not, it's hard to say right now (ammo stalling heat build is the only counter-intuitive thing imo). But there's very little to think about but 123 and heat now. Wildfire does have a stricter window, but there are also fewer things to fit in....Hypercharge is the only skill that you can't use in every single wildfire. It might still be complex, but not in a way that compounds the existing complexity. It might even end up feeling easier, who knows :P MCH has actually gone to being one of the jobs with the lowest amount of skills to assign.

They've actually addressed the biggest complaints about MCH - lack of flashiness and too many buttons to think about. Also regarding the comparison to BRD, MCH looks to have more personal DPS. Naturally BRD seems to have more support too, but on the offensive side of things at least I don't think the margin between them is significant. I've seen a lot more MCH interest for SB than pre-HW actually.

Overheat increases your damage.

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Originally Posted by MomoOG

Overheat increases your damage.

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Just to give further detail, from the Famitsu magazine write-up Overheat is indeed listed as a damage buff. The way MCH works according to the Japanese tooltips and write-up is as follows:

When you equip Gauss Barrel, your shots do 5% more damage. Between 0 and 50 heat you gain 5 heat per shot.
When you pass 50 heat, your three basic shots (split shot/etc) change into more powerful "heated" variants and do more damage, but you gain +10 heat from each shot.
When you hit Overheated, then your damage increases by 20% for 10 seconds, but after that your Gauss Barrel is forcibly removed and cannot be re-equipped for an additional 10 seconds.

Thus due to the nature of how your shots change in the "heated" state, for sustained damage it looks like you want to juggle between 50-100 heat with your cooldown abilities, and then overheat if you want some burst and don't mind the following downtime. And given that both Overheat and Wildfire run for 10 seconds you can almost guarantee you want to overheat for it.

Also this makes Flamethrower viable since it adds heat every tick. If Flamethrower overheated you that quickly and that also caused a damage reduction it would have been an absolute hilarity.

Famitsu article for MCH: https://www.famitsu.com/news/201705/...34.html?page=7

If mch doing strong good dmg then I am pretty sure everyone will start treating mch like a pure dps instead of support dps likes brd

No they dont care.

You got all the things that scream screw mchs.

I feel like SE cares about us :3

There is also a new Skill for Machinist that will reduce heat per use that is spammable called "Cooldown" which is a attack skill that does 230 potency about 50% heat (150 if under 50% heat) and reduce Heat by 25 per use and is GCD skill so you can easily maintain between 50% to 100% heat until the player feels the need to Overheat for that large 20% damage boost for short time.

It's the least popular, because it's boring and lacks visual flair. I've enjoyed all the jobs I've ever played, but MCH is just ugh.

Honestly, when HW was first released, and up until 3.2, BRD was the red-headed step child, and no one cared about them. Statics recruiting exclusively said they wanted MCHs only, no BRDs, because BRD got a huge slap in the face. I really cannot get behind the RNG proc system MCH has, and that is the main thing that keeps me from really enjoying the job at all (that and having to constantly place the turrets every trash pull and every boss). And I think a lot of people feel the same way. I wish they'd gotten rid of that for SB (and just made the turrets follow you), because I feel like more people would be interested in MCH if it didn't rely so heavily on procs, but it seems like it's here to stay. What I do see, though, is that MCH is leaning more towards pure ranged DPS compared to BRD's support DPS. Their support utilities are far more limited compared to BRD, and I'm sure they'll put out more damage than BRD, even though both are considered support DPS.

Overheat actually buffs you not punishes, after seeing MCH in SB I'm considering changing my main to it or SAM depending on how SAM plays.

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

It's the least popular, because it's boring and lacks visual flair. I've enjoyed all the jobs I've ever played, but MCH is just ugh.

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Have you never seen a MCH perform a Wildfire rotation? Aside from the fact that many skills' animations flow well between each other, when you weave oGCDs, there's no way you can say a MCH going all out is "boring". It's only boring if you're doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

It's the least popular, because it's boring and lacks visual flair. I've enjoyed all the jobs I've ever played, but MCH is just ugh.

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I would suggest that you watch MrHappy's MCH video that just released a few days ago where he goes over all the MCH abilities while playing the MCH (he was invited by square to play on Stormblood closed server) many of the skills have new graphics and some look absolutely amazing now.

Don't confuse yourselves

Heat increases your damage
Overheat decreases your damage for 10 seconds and makes you lose Gauss Barrel

Heat is from 50 to 90. Overheat is 100.

MCH toolkit makes heat management easy enough. The "analyse" skill makes you go to 50, and quick reload (now a 15 sec cooldown) decreases your heat while normal weaponskills increase it. There is also a OGCD that decreases your heat. So all the tools are there.

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

It's the least popular, because it's boring and lacks visual flair. I've enjoyed all the jobs I've ever played, but MCH is just ugh.

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Explain BLM's greater popularity then when all you do is camp and spam lol.

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Originally Posted by Vallhallix

Explain BLM's greater popularity then when all you do is camp and spam lol.

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One picture:
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...07/233/bb9.gif
A thousand words.

No posting against, but couldn't resist the opportunity.

Honestly speaking in HW I really was not interested in the MCH gemeplay. Got it to 60 and played it a bit every now and then on expert and 60 roulettes but never got to me.
The SB overhaul looks way more appealing, specially now that I have the PvP weapon which looks the best! (cuz its not a giant single-handed cannon).

To be fair MCH gameplay pretty much involved plinking away for 40 seconds and then WILDFIRE-WHOO-I-AM-SHOOTY-MCDEATH-INCARNATE mode... And then 40 more seconds of plinking, at least in boss encounters (trash was pretty much plink+aoe). With the Overheat gauge it's going to feel a little like wildfire mode for an extended amount of time, with you doing your best to speed back into heated status one way or another, so I'm actually looking forward to it.

^ lol every job has flashy graphics and explosions now though.

now i am confused lol.. so does "overheat" increase your dmg or reduces ur dmg lol?

It's been confirmed that Overheating is a 10 sec, 20% damage increase, with a 10 sec cooling phase. This lines up perfectly with the new Wildfire timer. Consider it MCH Berserk, except you can't Esuna the cooling phase.

Considering you can push yourself into it almost whenever you like, there's a lot of damage potential there. I can't wait!

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

Don't confuse yourselves

Heat increases your damage
Overheat decreases your damage for 10 seconds

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Incorrect.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Have you never seen a MCH perform a Wildfire rotation? Aside from the fact that many skills' animations flow well between each other, when you weave oGCDs, there's no way you can say a MCH going all out is "boring". It's only boring if you're doing it wrong.

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I can and I will. Spamming the same ability hoping for a proc isn't fun. Like I already said it lacks any visual flair other then Ricochet.

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Originally Posted by Shunye

I would suggest that you watch MrHappy's MCH video that just released a few days ago where he goes over all the MCH abilities while playing the MCH (he was invited by square to play on Stormblood closed server) many of the skills have new graphics and some look absolutely amazing now.

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Already did. Some of the new stuff looks cool, but that's only a handful of abilities, as opposed to the rest of it which is just bleh. Then I look over at BRD and am just like "whoa that looks insanely fun" by comparison.

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Originally Posted by Vallhallix

Explain BLM's greater popularity then when all you do is camp and spam lol.

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Because seeing high numbers is fun and they're abilities, at least, look nice. Give me Fire IV over pew, pew pew anyday.

I am actually excited for MCH! Cant wait to level it up =)

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Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin

I can and I will. Spamming the same ability hoping for a proc isn't fun. Like I already said it lacks any visual flair other then Ricochet.

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That's what your reloads are for.

Beyond that, it sounds like you simply like big flashy effects. Well, MCH has that, but compared to perhaps Bard or BLM, it's not as flashy. As for numbers. . . Again I'm not sure where you aren't seeing big numbers on MCH but if you're just fishing and waiting for procs and not weaving and utilizing reloads to help that, then yes, you're probably not seeing what's fully possible.

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Originally Posted by Jilliebeans

If mch doing strong good dmg then I am pretty sure everyone will start treating mch like a pure dps instead of support dps likes brd

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Err, MCH was ranked #1 dps on average for this latest tier. Check statistics on FFlogs and exclude 99th and 100th percentile brackets since you're entering parse run territory there. But yeah, MCH was #1 for almost every single dps bracket.