The first glance of the combo

2 days left until patch so I might as well bring up something to do while waitting. And


Hurray for 1.20 patch note

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Not only will a successful combo grant you the bonus indicated; TP cost will also be waived for the weaponskill used to execute it.

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after that I take a peak into the skill list at here

1 of the PUG combo:

(Blindside) -> Pounce -> Demolish -> Howling Fist

Pounce : 1500 TP
Demolish: 1500 TP
Howling Fist: 3000 TP


From what I understand the explain at 1.20 Patch Note

To active Howling Fist as combo, I need to active Demolish after Pounce.

The TP required will be:

Pounce: 1500 TP
Demolish: 750 TP
Howling Fist 1500 TP

total : 3750 TP

The question is:

Will we execute combo this way ?: Pounce->Demolish->normal hit for TP gain-> Howling Fist ?



ps: this is only a fun discuss, no need to be serious, this is theory craft before test the patch so come and join


edit: crap s mistake from my part, it is waived :D, make a thread for nothing :D

I thought they said waived, as in not there at all?

That's what it looks like to me. First weaponskill use has tp loss; next skill used as combo, no tp loss.

That's correct every WS after the initial if executed properly will be free of TP cost.

I'm guessing you'll need enough TP to actually execute the combos, but it just won't consume TP on the latter WS. (If that makes any sense..)

Take your example:

Pounce: 1500 TP
Demolish: 750 TP
Howling Fist 1500 TP

To execute Pounce > Demolish you'll need 2250 TP stored, but will only consume 1500 TP.
To execute Pounce > Demolish > Howling Fist you'll need 3000 TP stored, but again it would only consume 1500 TP.

You'll use the first 1500 TP in either case, but you'll need to have enough TP remaining to be able to execute the remaining WSs, even though they won't actually consume the TP.

Pretty easy to confirm this (kinda) by adding the TP of the first attack with the TP of any additional attack individually.

Edit: Hmm, maybe this isn't the case. I didn't even bother looking at the actual list when posting earlier and missed the part where you thought it said halved instead of waived. Looks like we'll only need enough TP to perform the first WS considering Howling Fist is a closing WS and requires 3000TP to use.

Yeah it looks like we will only need the TP to execute the first skill, then we get a timer (that flashy looking circle) to execute next skill and so on, without TP cost.

The TP cost on those skills refer to the cost needed to execute them separately

Does this apply to the MP costs of spell combos also? And is the correct combo order Fire -> Fire -> Firaga, or Firaga -> Fira -> Fire (I had trouble understanding the wording)...

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Originally Posted by Tadacho

Does this apply to the MP costs of spell combos also? And is the correct combo order Fire -> Fire -> Firaga, or Firaga -> Fira -> Fire (I had trouble understanding the wording)...

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It's Fire -> Fira -> Firaga, and I'm not sure about the MP cost bit. I imagine the MP cost is probably kept the same, though, because otherwise Thaumaturges would only ever really use MP from tier 1 spells, which would mean those would have ridiculously high MP costs if they want Thaums to worry about MP. Besides, the combo bonuses for Fira and Firaga (the reduced recast timers) seem pretty legit on their own.

I'm confused about another thing... Why do Traits have a recast time (in most cases of 5 seconds...) I thought traits were passive and always active...?

Probably so that you regen MP at set periods of time, and for atk+ etc, they will activate every 5sec, run out, reactivate -> permanent duration.

It's a bit confusing, i admit.

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Originally Posted by Tadacho

I'm confused about another thing... Why do Traits have a recast time (in most cases of 5 seconds...) I thought traits were passive and always active...?

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Probably just an error when they made the tables. The 5 second thing was copy+pasted onto them. I've noticed a few things that seem like errors actually, like Conjurer traits aren't listed as "Exclusive" when they said all traits would be, and only the Con ones are like this.

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Originally Posted by Powercow

Probably just an error when they made the tables. The 5 second thing was copy+pasted onto them. I've noticed a few things that seem like errors actually, like Conjurer traits aren't listed as "Exclusive" when they said all traits would be, and only the Con ones are like this.

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Yea and Piercing Arrow being a trait. There are some mistakes from the translation team.

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Originally Posted by Tadacho

I'm confused about another thing... Why do Traits have a recast time (in most cases of 5 seconds...) I thought traits were passive and always active...?

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Do you know if a trait fades after being used or if only a few traits can be active at any given time?

I just hope it doesn't turn into a weapon skill spamfest, especially on that moogle fight. I mean you can sleep the moogles now, hopefully people will pay attention to what's going on in all battles now.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I just hope it doesn't turn into a weapon skill spamfest, especially on that moogle fight. I mean you can sleep the moogles now, hopefully people will pay attention to what's going on in all battles now.

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it is clearly a wep skill spam fest lol, the different is the TP or you can call it rage system and the required for bonus to active, can call this a upgrade of wep skill spam fest

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

it is clearly a wep skill spam fest lol, the different is the TP or you can call it rage system and the required for bonus to active, can call this a upgrade of wep skill spam fest

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I just want battle to be more coesive I guess I can say... it's that when you have the AoE stuff going on, I can't see a thing as a mage and don't know what's going on besides the health bars lol.

I would think that the last skill in the chain would be reduced seeing it's 3000tp to use. The others would be normal TP use. That just makes more sense I guess

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

I just want battle to be more coesive I guess I can say... it's that when you have the AoE stuff going on, I can't see a thing as a mage and don't know what's going on besides the health bars lol.

I would think that the last skill in the chain would be reduced seeing it's 3000tp to use. The others would be normal TP use. That just makes more sense I guess

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that already got answer, as combo only required the first TP move, the rest wont cost any and that also mean can use other skill separate w/o combo bonus (already foreseen this before patch note)

I figure i would help people out and from why i concluded on patch notes these are all possible combo

Pugilist

Pummel → Aura Pulse = Chance to inflict Slow

Pummel → Concussive Blow = Increased Damage

Pummel → Concussive Blow → Simian Thrust = Increased Damage

Pounce → Sucker Punch = Chance to increase absorb MP effect

Pounce → Demolish = Dispels an effect

Pounce → Demolish → Howling Fist = Increased Damage

Pummel: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 10sec.
Pounce: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 20sec.
Concussive Blow: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Sucker Punch: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 15sec.
Demolish: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Aura Pulse: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 40sec.
Howling Fist: TP: 3000 / Recast Time: 80sec.
Simian Thrust: TP: 2000 / Recast Time: 80sec.

Gladiator

Fast Blade → Flat Blade = Increased enmity

Fast Blade → Savage Blade = Increased damage

Fast Blade → Savage Blade → Goring Blade = Increased Bleed damage

Riot Blade → Rage of Halone = Increased accuracy

Fast Blade: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 10sec.
Savage Blade: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Flat Blade: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 10sec.
Riot Blade: TP: 2000 / Recast Time: 80sec.
Rage of Halone: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 20sec.
Goring Blade: TP: 3000 / Recast Time: 80sec.

Marauder

Heavy Swing → Skull Sunder = Increased enmity

Storm's Path → Whirlwind = consume TP to increase damage when you are below 50% HP

Brutal Swing → Maim = Increased accuracy

Brutal Swing → Maim → Godsbane = Increased critical rate

Heavy Swing: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 10sec.
Brutal Swing: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 20sec.
Skull Sunder: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Maim: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Storm's Path: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Whirlwind: TP: 3000 / Recast Time: 80sec.
Godsbane: TP: 3000 / Recast Time: 60sec.

Archer

Heavy Shot → Quick Nock = Fivefold attack and coversion to single target

Heavy Shot → Leaden Arrow = Increased heavy duration

Heavy Shot → Leaden Arrow → Wide Volley = Increased accuracy

Piercing Arrow → Shadowbind = Increased bind duration

Piercing Arrow → Gloom Arrow = Chance to inflict blind

Piercing Arrow → Gloom Arrow → Bloodletter = Inflicts additional damage when bleed fades

Heavy Shot: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 10sec.
Piercing Arrow: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 20sec.
Leaden Arrow: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Shadowbind:TP: 250 / Recast Time: 40sec.
Gloom Arrow: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 10sec.
Quick Nock: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 180sec.
Bloodletter: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 80sec.
Wide Volley: TP: 2000 / Recast Time: 80sec.

Lancer

Vorpal Thrust → Impulse Drive = Increased critical rate

Vorpal Thrust → Impulse Drive → Chaos Thrust = Increased critical rate

True Thrust → Heavy Thrust = Increased stun duration

True Thrust → Leg Sweep = chance to inflicts stun

True Thrust → Leg Sweep → Doom Spike = Increased accuracy

True Thrust: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 10sec.
Vorpal Thrust: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 20sec.
Heavy Thrust: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 20sec.
Impulse Drive: TP: 1500 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Leg Sweep: TP: 1000 / Recast Time: 30sec.
Doom Spike: TP: 3000 / Recast Time: 60sec.
Chaos Thrust: TP: 3000 / Recast Time: 80sec.

Conjurer

Stone → Stonera = Increased damage and conversion to single target

Aero → Aerora = Increased accuracy and conversion to single target

Stone: Cast Time: 2sec. / Recast Time: 6sec.
Aero: Cast Time: 3sec. / Recast Time: 6sec.
Stonera: Cast Time: 3sec. / Recast Time: 30sec.
Aerora: Cast Time: 4sec. / Recast Time: 20sec.

Thaumaturge

Thunder → Thundara = Increased damage and reduced recast time when Stun is not inflicted

Thunder → Thundara → Thundaga = Increased critical damage

Fire → Fira = Reduced cast time

Fire → Fira → Firaga = Reduced cast time

Thunder: Cast Time: 2sec. / Recast Time: 6sec.
Fire: Cast Time: 3sec. / Recast Time: 8sec.
Thundara: was not listed / Recast Time: 30sec.
Fira: Cast Time: 5sec. / Recast Time: 16sec.
Thundaga: Cast Time: 5sec. / Recast Time: 45sec.
Firaga: Cast Time: 8sec. / Recast Time: 7sec.

the melee ones look awesome and cant wait to try.
the mage ones look boring and dont effect recast time which to me = excessively slow nuking. THMS might be standing around an awful lot during boss fights.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

the melee ones look awesome and cant wait to try.
the mage ones look boring and dont effect recast time which to me = excessively slow nuking. THMS might be standing around an awful lot during boss fights.

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most spells have an 3-8 sec cool down followed by an 4 or 5 combo's they can do how does = standing around waiting when you can rotate those spells. Also pgl seems like they get a lot of increase dmg bonus ones.

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Originally Posted by Firon

most spells have an 3-8 sec cool down followed by an 4 or 5 combo's they can do how does = standing around waiting when you can rotate those spells. Also pgl seems like they get a lot of increase dmg bonus ones.

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because of the long ass recast times of the spells that do the most damage (i was talking about THM. CNJ is the class with the low recast timers). and correct me if im wrong, but arent all of the current bosses in the game not very susceptible to magic damage? i believe a nuker should be able to keep up with the exact same damage output as a top melee DD, but the recast timing looks like that wont be possible
also, im wondering if THMs MP regen options will equate to that of the melee TP combo negations.
so all in all i see THMs being back up healers in boss fights. again, correct me if im wrong.

PGL looks really cool to me. i hate earth and air elements but the general direction of PGL makes me want to play it.

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Originally Posted by Dreadnought

because of the long ass recast times of the spells that do the most damage. and correct me if im wrong, but arent all of the current bosses in the game not very susceptible to magic damage? i believe a nuker should be able to keep up with the exact same damage output as a top melee DD, but the recast timing looks like that wont be possible
so all in all i see THMs being back up healers in boss fights. again, correct me if im wrong.

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I don't know if you are wrong or right cause the bosses could be tweaked for the new spells in mind

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Originally Posted by Firon

I don't know if you are wrong or right cause the bosses could be tweaked for the new spells in mind

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perhaps
i wish i saw that ROG CON and every other THM in the video do a single nuke. however, not one did a single nuke :/
would have been a good example of the new gameplay since we got to see some coolness from the melees.