Issues with some zones and aethertes, please do not repeat this in SB

Here are the points/zones that are too far from an aetherte, making it hard to get to hunts/rare fates:

The Sea of Clouds ( 30.3 , 18.9 )
https://i.gyazo.com/5c916069ad38bc38...1eec55cf4e.png
Azys Lla ( 26.7 , 16.2 )
https://i.gyazo.com/dbe7c777e50e59b0...b9e227d7bd.png
Azys Lla ( 22.5 , 33.8 )
https://i.gyazo.com/07799261f5e67f17...4abcf76e63.png
The Dravanian Hinterlands ( 17.0 , 29.1 )
https://i.gyazo.com/44424c1ee1039a03...94f53cd05b.png
The Churning Mists ( 20.8 , 16.3 )
https://i.gyazo.com/64d8398b9b864cb6...7e2325c0e1.png
[not as needed but helps get to the north points easier]
East Shroud ( 26.0 , 13.3 )
https://i.gyazo.com/6d9120711945441e...bd0e62999a.png
Outer La Noscea ( 24.6 , 7.3 )
https://i.gyazo.com/9b0f676f046b97f5...437aa50f71.png
Coerthas Central Highlands ( 25.7 , 28.4 )
https://i.gyazo.com/64cd355ea1c00e0a...c47c534c7f.png
Coerthas Central Highlands ( 12.7 , 16.5 )
https://i.gyazo.com/d351bc24c24e8597...499ebaf1d2.png

For the last 2, those are high traffic little towns that have a lot of quest points where it would be nice just to teleport there to get them done quicker. In 1.0 there was a lot of mini aetherte's that can be looked into like those spots and Mor Dhona ( 30.1 , 12.7 ) These places have a high traffic to side quests and leaves and it is kind of nonsense there is no aetherte there.

You only have as much time to get to the hunts as you do because they're so far away. It's Balmung. The hunts get pulled by people who pull as soon as they show up. The faster they show up, the less time you have to get there as well. That's why it's important to be in good hunt linkshells and drop everything you're doing to get to the hunt.

I think the faster adn easiest solution for overpopulated servers like Balmung is increase the re-appearance rate of the fates.

No.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

No.

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/threading yourself is like high-fiving yourself.

Travel is already pretty trivial with flying, why reduce the area size even more? Plus, I thought beastman territory was supposed to be difficult to get into (trying to make it feel dangerous, I guess). If you are speaking solely of people pulling hunts/fates too quickly then that is more of a community problem and less of an area design problem I'd think?

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

If you are speaking solely of people pulling hunts/fates too quickly then that is more of a community problem and less of an area design problem I'd think?

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Nope, not when you remove chat from pvp, so that shows me if the dev team whats to address community problems, why not this one? People should be given the tools to get to them in time, along with gathering and other things, with these zones (or in the case of Mor Dhona/Coerthas Central Highlands, high traffic points for quests.) I lost count how many times I wanted to teleport to those 3 points. It gets old running there back and forth back and forth, let me teleport there darn it.

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

Travel is already pretty trivial with flying, why reduce the area size even more? Plus, I thought beastman territory was supposed to be difficult to get into (trying to make it feel dangerous, I guess)

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Not for these zones as stated, it takes to long, also why have a 5 mile wide map with 2 points right next to each other? They never felt dangerous, if you want a feel of danger, bring back mor dhona 1.0, nothing compares to it so I would disagree on that feeling.

It's aetheryte, not aethertes.

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Originally Posted by Skyrior

/threading yourself is like high-fiving yourself.

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You are definitely growing on me.

On topic though, the only ones I can get behind are CCH (takes forever to get anywhere and it's not like there is anything to look at and appreciate because it is easily one of the blandest areas) and Hinterlands (because regardless of which direction you take, you must go through two loading screens). Everywhere else is fine.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Nope, not when you remove chat from pvp, so that shows me if the dev team whats to address community problems, why not this one?



Not for these zones as stated, it takes to long, also why have a 5 mile wide map with 2 points right next to eachother?

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Not in favor. Please no.


Another pvp chat thread in disguise?

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Nope, not when you remove chat from pvp, so that shows me if the dev team whats to address community problems, why not this one?

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This is not a community problem. This is a your personal problem. You have options, either move out of Balmung or deal with it. HW zones take less than 2 to 3 minutes to cross from one end to the other when flying. If you didn't make it to the Hunt/FATE, than that means you were too busy doing something else. Need FATES for relic/beast tribes...then camp it. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Nope, not when you remove chat from pvp, so that shows me if the dev team whats to address community problems, why not this one?


Not for these zones as stated, it takes to long, also why have a 5 mile wide map with 2 points right next to eachother?

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There has to be a better solution to server overpopulation than to simply add more aetherytes. (Not going to touch the PVP chat thing, as that's not the point of this thread)

The heavensward areas were designed to feel large and lengthy to traverse. I took your sea of clouds example, and it took me 1min and 6 seconds to reach (also note, its technically 'beastman' territory so again..danger..)

The only one I would semi-agree with are the locals in coerthas central, but even those are not that big of a deal if you plan your trips smartly

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

There has to be a better solution to server overpopulation than to simply add more aetherytes. (Not going to touch the PVP chat thing, as that's not the point of this thread)

The heavensward areas were designed to feel large and lengthy to traverse. I took your sea of clouds example, and it took me 1min and 6 seconds to reach (also note, its technically 'beastman' territory so again..danger..)

The only one I would semi-agree with are the locals in coerthas central, but even those are not that big of a deal if you plan your trips smartly

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It adds up time for gathering/ quests/ hunts/ fates, if SE can add a crystal in uldah for little reason, this is a bigger issue then that. traveling for a minute longer on the time nodes in the game, the way they are, is too long.

Shocked no one "backed" the Dravanian Hinterlands as well since I saw that complained here before.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

It adds up time for gathering/ quests/ hunts/ fates, if SE can add a crystal in uldah for little reason, this is a bigger issue then that. traveling for a minute longer on the time nodes in the game, the way they are, is too long.

Shocked no one "backed" the Dravanian Hinterlands as well since I saw that complained here before.

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I think the main complaint about hinterlands was because its split into two 'zones' which means double loading screens

I like travelling in the overworld. We have too many teleports as it is.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I think the faster adn easiest solution for overpopulated servers like Balmung is increase the re-appearance rate of the fates.

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That would just end up giving people who actually focus on hunts greater rewards for picking the right server, which seems rather unfair. They could perhaps use what WoW uses, and scale the health of the mobs to some extent based on how many people are hitting it. The end result is that having more people is generally faster and easier than having fewer people, but things getting hit by 100 people don't die in the blink of an eye.

There's an actual thread made for new idea's for 4.0 and future updates you should post this idea there as well here is the link http://http://forum.square-enix.com/...ral-Discussion

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Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Not in favor. Please no.


Another pvp chat thread in disguise?

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Its like

She makes a good point

But then

Takes two steps back and brings something completely unrelated

Why?

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Its like

She makes a good point

But then

Takes two steps back and brings something completely unrelated

Why?

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So you just want me to ignore people bringing up things unrelated and attacking me for no reason? I do not know why people are just focusing on fate/hunts and attacking me for being on some server, it effects gathering too. A lot of time is wasted when things pop in The Sea of Clouds, and too much time is wasted traveling when doing tribes for East Shroud/Outer La Noscea areas. These quests is a ton of back and forth, so teleporting helps it make it feel less painful

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Originally Posted by Tachyon

I think the main complaint about hinterlands was because its split into two 'zones' which means double loading screens

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No idea what you mean, it has no teleport thing at all.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

Nope, not when you remove chat from pvp,

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It's one of these topics again. Complain about something else and naming the topic differently, just to end up here again... PvP.... even tho it has absolute nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

You only have as much time to get to the hunts as you do because they're so far away. It's Balmung. The hunts get pulled by people who pull as soon as they show up. The faster they show up, the less time you have to get there as well. That's why it's important to be in good hunt linkshells and drop everything you're doing to get to the hunt.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I think the faster adn easiest solution for overpopulated servers like Balmung is increase the re-appearance rate of the fates.

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I would add, and this is something SE should be concerned about that it's not so bad to respond quickly when you have an SSD but I've had someone in my group teleport /with/ me and not make it to the hunt while I did because ps3 load difference. That like 10 second difference on Balmung lol.

For some, depending on the popularity fo the content at that time, it's possible they can't be part of that content - it's just not possible for them to get there before it vaporizes xD. (Ofc there are people who check their retainers, do a few beastmen quests, water their garden, and then teleport there and are upset it's dead- but I'm not focusing on those sort of people :P)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

For some, depending on the popularity fo the content at that time, it's possible they can't be part of that content - it's just not possible for them to get there before it vaporizes xD.

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Well this might sound like a crazy idea but if you really want/need a hunt you could search for it yourself instead of waiting for someone to shout it's position.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

Well this might sound like a crazy idea but if you really want/need a hunt you could search for it yourself instead of waiting for someone to shout it's position.

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WITH the assumption of loading issues that during peak time they can't be part of the train, the rate of your suggestion is hilariously different. Like miles of difference. Although without the loading issues or outside of peak time then yes, this would be preferable as it helps everyone.

So yes, it's a crazy idea (given the presuppositions I made to the issue I then followed), it's still rather pointless in comparison to the rate of being part of the hunt train. If we buck the assumptions (unfocusing on those who can't load quickly) then less of an issue, yes.

Perhaps you can argue that one once in a while is still fine (something better than nothing), but imo at least given the difference between train or no train it's a waste of time unless you have no other possible progression tool. Because Balmung's train is that powerful and that fast (when the content is releveant, things are better during the luls).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I would add, and this is something SE should be concerned about that it's not so bad to respond quickly when you have an SSD but I've had someone in my group teleport /with/ me and not make it to the hunt while I did because ps3 load difference. That like 10 second difference on Balmung lol.

For some, depending on the popularity fo the content at that time, it's possible they can't be part of that content - it's just not possible for them to get there before it vaporizes xD. (Ofc there are people who check their retainers, do a few beastmen quests, water their garden, and then teleport there and are upset it's dead- but I'm not focusing on those sort of people :P)

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I can 100% see that being a problem. Personally, I try to wait five minutes, but unless it's like 3 am, I am probably not the most impatient person there. We spawned Gandarewa earlier today and it lived all of about 1.5 minutes after I initially called it out. That's a bit faster than usual, but average time between first call and pull for S ranks is only about two minutes, which really doesn't afford people with slower loads much of a chance to get there.

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Originally Posted by Silica-chan

Well this might sound like a crazy idea but if you really want/need a hunt you could search for it yourself instead of waiting for someone to shout it's position.

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There are usually multiple hunts up and being actively searched for at any given time. You can't be in multiple zones simultaneously, so not making it to a hunt doesn't necessarily imply people are just chilling by an aetheryte waiting for other people to find stuff.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I can 100% see that being a problem. Personally, I try to wait five minutes, but unless it's like 3 am, I am probably not the most impatient person there. We spawned Gandarewa earlier today and it lived all of about 1.5 minutes after I initially called it out. That's a bit faster than usual, but average time between first call and pull for S ranks is only about two minutes, which really doesn't afford people with slower loads much of a chance to get there.

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I'm worried that I "think" it got better only because it's not as needed, but at the moment I do think Balmung's hunt culture is fairly reasonable - the waiting is a good compromise and it's called out on like 8 different linkshells lol.

But I do remember the golden time when even S ranks died faster than a minute, and A ranks... haaah. Back when you didn't play normally so you could actually get credit for the hunt lol, enmity spamming ftw xD.

"More open world content! But don't make us schlep all the way out for it. Just, y'know, put it right outside town or something."

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I'm worried that I "think" it got better only because it's not as needed, but at the moment I do think Balmung's hunt culture is fairly reasonable - the waiting is a good compromise and it's called out on like 8 different linkshells lol.

But I do remember the golden time when even S ranks died faster than a minute, and A ranks... haaah. Back when you didn't play normally so you could actually get credit for the hunt lol, enmity spamming ftw xD.

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Well, I've only been on Balmung a couple of months, so I really have no basis for comparison. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if it died that quickly when people cared though, as turnout tends to be higher, especially for people who don't care the least bit about any sort of hunt culture or other hunters. I'll just have to rely on my SSD and making hunts my #1 priority for SB then.

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

So you just want me to ignore people bringing up things unrelated and attacking me for no reason? I do not know why people are just focusing on fate/hunts and attacking me for being on some server, it effects gathering too. A lot of time is wasted when things pop in The Sea of Clouds, and too much time is wasted traveling when doing tribes for East Shroud/Outer La Noscea areas. These quests is a ton of back and forth, so teleporting helps it make it feel less painful

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Yes

Ignore people who bring unrelated points to your topic. Just say "that's unrelated" and move on.

You have trigger button that you need to deal with cuz you're a person that actually brings up good points but then people tend to not to take you seriously whenever you bring up your personal beef. It's not the first time you veiled a thread behind pvp chat.

Move on and stop getting triggered for nothing.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Well, I've only been on Balmung a couple of months, so I really have no basis for comparison. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if it died that quickly when people cared though, as turnout tends to be higher, especially for people who don't care the least bit about any sort of hunt culture or other hunters. I'll just have to rely on my SSD and making hunts my #1 priority for SB then.

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Ah, well IF it gets that bad and your rewards start to scale down its because the system is overloading. We had this issue a lot when stuff was most popular (you shouldn't have seen it in the last few months), like literally whole parties who were there the entire time (all 45 seconds lol) would get zero participation. It became apparent that the easiest way to get participation was to max out your enmity super fast, with healers dropping their regens like they were free lol.

It's actually a good strategy for FATEs too, since they use similar systems. I highly dissuade it if the system isn't overloading because.. being useless is not great, but if you're concerned about not getting gold then get in there and just drop piles of enmity everywhere.

I believe SE has made tweaks since /the worst/ periods, to make it easier - so some of the awesome times I remember might be non-repeatable, but you still get some absurdly fast moments sometimes. Like watching that one Odin like FATE in the HW area during peak hours, HP just got divided by zero lol.

Balmung when the content is no longer highly desired (new important progression) is actually pretty nice, like the Hunts right now have people but not way too many people but hope you're ready for the party this SB ^_^.

It's part of this above stuff and you addressed it a bit already but getting people more locations to teleport to means people there sooner, meaning it will die sooner. So I'm not entirely sure it will solve the problem, maybe just paint it a different color but be at the same tier of issue. Unfortunately I don't have an easy suggestion for such a content, since part of it just relies on people being reasonable to each other (not too fast, not too slow) - probably why I like open world content, that's just mine/my party lol.

Clearly the removal of PvP chat makes even the most insignificant of complaints valid and the dev team should listen to, and act on EVERY single one and how dare they if they don't because I am just so SALTY at the removal of PvP chat.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I would add, and this is something SE should be concerned about that it's not so bad to respond quickly when you have an SSD but I've had someone in my group teleport /with/ me and not make it to the hunt while I did because ps3 load difference. That like 10 second difference on Balmung lol.

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This will get fixed in SB

Ok so, you want an aetheryte RIGHT in the middle of the Vundu territory? Like right in the middle of the enemy base? You also want one over where the chimerical creations of the Allagan are too, as well as the base where the Garleans are situated in Azys Lla? And also the Sylphlands and Kobold mines?

Do you know what "Sanctuary" means?

There's a point where perceived quality or life, or convenience changes end up taking away from the game, not give to it. Why have big open world zones if you never actually need to travel. I thought the point of far off places was, you know, that they're far off and as such you need to put in some travel time to get there.

What you're describing is a community/overcrowding issue, which sucks, but the fix isn't to make travel meaningless, and large zones feel small.

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Originally Posted by Paranoir

Why have big open world zones if you never actually need to travel.

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Why have big open world zones if you can just fly over them and treat them as pretty scenery or tab out while on autorun? >_>

You can just put a loading screen with the scenery instead at that point.

No, we have enough to move around, your problem is your server so more aetherytes won't fix it, if anything you should ask for some summoneable marks that require the party to do/bring something special first, like a fisher catching a sea monster.

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Originally Posted by Felis

This will get fixed in SB

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mmmmm nope, a LOT of people still won't have an SSD and PS4 (not that much faster in load times than a PS3 also they use HDD primarily and the users who buy them aren't as frequently modders)

I would actually welcome some difficulty navigating like adding flying, swimming, paroling mobs that aggro can apply heavy and are actually dangerous. Ya know, that difficulty stuff.

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Originally Posted by azura84

I would actually welcome some difficulty navigating like adding flying, swimming, paroling mobs that aggro can apply heavy and are actually dangerous. Ya know, that difficulty stuff.

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How it's that difficult? All you need to do is learn a safe route or change to DOL and use Stealth or go tank and don't care.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

How it's that difficult? All you need to do is learn a safe route or change to DOL and use Stealth or go tank and don't care.

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You misunderstood the "actually dangerous" part, I'm talking about mobs that could kill you, not just the nuisance enemies that we have right now

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

For the last 2, those are high traffic little towns that have a lot of quest points where it would be nice just to teleport there to get them done quicker. In 1.0 there was a lot of mini aetherte's that can be looked into like those spots and Mor Dhona ( 30.1 , 12.7 ) These places have a high traffic to side quests and leaves and it is kind of nonsense there is no aetherte there.

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In the last maps, both of the quest hubs have chocobo routes. If you don't want to autorun on your own chocobo, just take taxi and go pick a drink or pat your cat in the minute it takes to arrive. The "I want everything right on this instant" ... sheesh. I'd understand it if it was long run but it's not.