Paladin's attack in stormblood trailer

I personally feel its 99.99% possible a holy for paladin.

Paladin had holy in Final Fantasy XI...

Nothing can ever be "confirmed" until its official, but just take a look.

(I would be very pleased if it does not consume all MP, and is in fact area of attack)

PLD for sure casts a spell in the trailer, and here is the animation comparison to Holy for White Mage.


PLD holy in stormblood trailer:

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...psqec6cvkz.jpg

WHM holy in game:

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0gowawf5.png


PLD zoomed in on a specific part of the animation:

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...pszsdqnwp8.jpg

WHM zoomed in on a specific part of the animation:

http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/...psqesbzieq.jpg





It isnt war drum, but i am pleased never the less.

yyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss

spammable AOE, Yes, please!

0.5s before the big light explosion, you can see another part of the spell :

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/203281pldholy.jpg

Maybe it's some kind of buff? Looks like a shield, I'm hyped to know more about it!

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Originally Posted by Greil

0.5s before the big light explosion, you can see another part of the spell :

Maybe it's some kind of buff? Looks like a shield, I'm hyped to know more about it!

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I have no clue, but we will find out soon enough.

The for sure part, it has the same exact animation (just smaller) as holy.


Edit: Possible "anti-interruption" animation? that would be ideal.

Looks like Holiest of Holy (used by the Sword and Shield Knights) from Vault and Thordian.

Its easy to miss but the Whitemage uses something right before the Paladin's cast completes.

It looks sort of like Beatrix's Shock from FF IX and she was a paladin

as i already said in the other topic, i think the holy comes from the whm skill buff (kinda like radiant shield) and the pld animation is actually that sign at the end of the cast animation

imho is basically the paladin version of drk unleash

If this is a spamable AOE PLD get, it looks great! But sadly flash will still be on my hot bar... If you look at the video closely, he hard cast it, so you can't run and spam it unlike Overpower and Unleash. PLD will run, flash, group up the adds and then Hard Cast the "Almost-Holy". At least you can use Shell Tron and Riot Blade to get some resource back

That's probably just the new flash animation. Whm blinds me, Imma blind them right back! Feels bad for the dps trying to find mobs tho.

35 million budget and PLD gets a subpar Holy animation? I'm glad we got an aoe finally, but It's a bit underwhelming. I mean atleast give us Judgment Blade from tactics.

Lots of people are assuming that it's PLD version of Holy, and I'm not denying that possible theory.

However, I think it could also be another spell to replace Stoneskin: namely, Phalanx. In FFXI, Red Mages and Paladins can cast it, and it's holy-based.

... But anyway. As pointed out countless times before, PLD is in dire need of a new AoE move, so yeah. We'll see.

A defensive cool down that need to be channeled (hard casted) hasn't been well revived in the community. We have "Clemency" as an example, it's great in design! 1200 potency heal, and when you heal another, you heal yourself for 1/2 the potency. But the community would rather just have an OGCD like Equilibrium. Where you can just "weave" it in your rotation.

Edit: I didn't see your "replace Stoneskin argument", my apologies. I believe that could work. But when he used it in mid combat, my mind went straight to something you can use mid-combat

I'm going to second the notion that this is more of a new stoneskin or counter ability. My initial thought was that it did a set amount of damage and if you received any damage during the cast time it would increase the potency of the attack.

But I'm really hoping this isn't PLD's AoE. Since Provoke is going to be a role ability I'm sincerely hoping GLD gets a AoE at lvl 22 to bring them more in line while leveling.

They could just make Overpower cross-class too. If they were smart and didn't waste a precious job ability slot playing catch up on basic mechanics I mean.

The Paladin is clearly entering his "spell animation" when using this. That's a huge red flag if this spell is meant for AoE damage. Having a cast-bar means:

- Spells can be interrupted by damage (When you are the target of 15 mobs that seems counter-productive.)
- Your ability rotation is cancelled (The biggest reason why Clemency is shunned.)
- You can't block or parry while casting
- You can't use it while moving.
- Spells use the same resource as Flash (which already uses up most of your MP on big / continuous pulls.)
- It can't replace Flash if it's not insta-cast.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

The Paladin is clearly entering his "spell animation" when using this. That's a huge red flag if this spell is meant for AoE damage. Having a cast-bar means:

- Spells can be interrupted by damage (When you are the target of 15 mobs that seems counter-productive.)

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You need to take a fairly serious % of you max hp in a single hit in order to be interrupted. 15 mobs can not interrupt you if none of them can deal the necessary damage in a single hit.

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- Your ability rotation is cancelled (The biggest reason why Clemency is shunned.)

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Not really. Biggest reason Clemency is not used is cast time. Healers have far shorter cast times so Clemency ends up being an overheal more often than not.

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- You can't block or parry while casting
- You can't use it while moving.

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To early to say on either of these. Things may be changed in SB.

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- Spells use the same resource as Flash (which already uses up most of your MP on big / continuous pulls.)
- It can't replace Flash if it's not insta-cast.

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... Wrong on both accounts.

If you are having trouble keeping MP up post 40 you are seriously overusing Flash. It become even easier at 52 and 54 with Sheltron restoring MP and Goring Blade giving Riot Blade priority. Even with the biggest/most continuous pulls you should be coming out with near max MP.

This new ability only needs to do about 100 potency and have a x6 multiplier to replace Flash. A 2 second cast wouldn't even be a real problem.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

as i already said in the other topic, i think the holy comes from the whm skill buff (kinda like radiant shield) and the pld animation is actually that sign at the end of the cast animation

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ohhh!!! you mean like whm marks pld than holies and mimics the holy on pld at a smaller scale? (and this hopefully puts said enmity to pld/tank)? That would be pretty awesome =D

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

ohhh!!! you mean like whm marks pld than holies and mimics the holy on pld at a smaller scale? (and this hopefully puts said enmity to pld/tank)? That would be pretty awesome =D

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We know SE said Paladin WILL get some kind of aoe and magic defensive cds.

WE ALSO OBSERVER CLEARLY (and maybe a few times vaguely) party pairing abilities!!! we saw it clearly with the pet channeling some tether with the dps; we saw drk cast a skill on sam and we THINK we saw whm doing something to pld.....maybe that's a new theme in the new battle system, some type of combo between teammates ??

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

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This new ability only needs to do about 100 potency and have a x6 multiplier to replace Flash. A 2 second cast wouldn't even be a real problem.

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Good luck getting your cast off when you're surrounded by a 9 mob pack that's targeting AoEs at you every 2 seconds. If the dungeon design in Baelsar's Wall and Sohm Al HM are any indication, they're gonna go very AoE heavy in trash pulls in the future. If this is the case, or in dungeons that have this tendency, AoEing as PLD is gonna be hilariously bad.

Also, this does nothing to help PLD's self-sustainance. WAR and DRK both deal AoE damage while healing themselves with Bloodbath and Abyssal Drain, leaving their self-sustainance relegated to short-recast CDs that are readily up for every pull. PLD has to stop to cast Clemency to heal himself, sacrifing a GCD that could be spent DPSing and consuming what would presumably be the same resource this new ability uses up. This means PLD will be the tank that is "hardest" to heal in trash pulls out of the three, while also having a hard time AoEing because of dumb cast times. All of this despite PLD being the "defensive, easy to heal tank." Haha, nope.

Unless they seriously redesign how PLD's toolkit synergizes with itself, I foresee this new skill being a horrible, horrible implementation that will feel awfully counter-intuitive.

Though ngl, it would be in line with all of PLD's toolkit as it stands right now :'D.

I wish I could have more hope on how they tinker to balance PLD around the other two tanks, but my faith is really low by this point. I'd rather be pessimistic and be pleasantly surprised.

The skill very clearly is a cast as PLD is holding the same pose in place until it goes off. Conversely, if you look at the DRK's skill, it is executed in a single fluid motion; there is no casting "pose".

But I am genuinely aghast at how many people on the forums actually want PLD to continue having these casted abilities, like having these casts is a good thing somehow beneficial to the job. I'm all for PLD getting anything people think it needs but its honestly kinda sad seeing people rooting for these otherwise cool abilities to require a goddamn cast time.

Cast or not, what if the mini holy thing is a magic resistance down debuff to the monster? Since no job has this debuff skill yet. All we have now are magic potency up, int down.

That would be a huge tool for PLD to stay in MT and OT spot in and a optimal comb for drk/pld, who is mt depends on the fight and still benefits at least 4 jobs in the party (both healer, one caster and partially drk).

So they are getting rid of cross-class abilities, which means no more Stoneskin for PLD. That said, they might be giving PLD their own Stoneskin but modified to fit their role. So rather than just giving them a shield that's as strong as 10% of the PLD's Max HP, it'll be the same 10% HP shield as stoneskin, but as soon as the PLD takes that amount of damage, it detonates as a mini-holy right as the buff falls off.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

So they are getting rid of cross-class abilities, which means no more Stoneskin for PLD. That said, they might be giving PLD their own Stoneskin but modified to fit their role. So rather than just giving them a shield that's as strong as 10% of the PLD's Max HP, it'll be the same 10% HP shield as stoneskin, but as soon as the PLD takes that amount of damage, it detonates as a mini-holy right as the buff falls off.

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Which would actually kill two birds with one stone: Replacing Stoneskin AND increasing PLD's AoE output.

Sounds too good to be true if you ask me! Hahaha

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Originally Posted by aqskerorokero

Cast or not, what if the mini holy thing is a magic resistance down debuff to the monster? Since no job has this debuff skill yet. All we have now are magic potency up, int down.

That would be a huge tool for PLD to stay in MT and OT spot in and a optimal comb for drk/pld, who is mt depends on the fight and still benefits at least 4 jobs in the party (both healer, one caster and partially drk).

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Mch has it on bishop turret.

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

But I am genuinely aghast at how many people on the forums actually want PLD to continue having these casted abilities, like having these casts is a good thing somehow beneficial to the job. I'm all for PLD getting anything people think it needs but its honestly kinda sad seeing people rooting for these otherwise cool abilities to require a goddamn cast time.

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Remember there are people who think giving PLD healing abilities would give it more stuff to do when healing on it's own is good enough for any encounters. Only time you'd use clemency is when things go wrong, which shouldn't happen anyway. Unless the ability has good utility making it casted just ruins it even more so I'd hope they decide carefully on what these potential casted abilities do for a class that will likely suffer from interrupts mid cast.

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

Remember there are people who think giving PLD healing abilities would give it more stuff to do when healing on it's own is good enough for any encounters. Only time you'd use clemency is when things go wrong, which shouldn't happen anyway. Unless the ability has good utility making it casted just ruins it even more so I'd hope they decide carefully on what these potential casted abilities do for a class that will likely suffer from interrupts mid cast.

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this interruption is overstated........................... lulz; you can only get interrupted if you're moved (either by you or mob ) or if you lose 20% of your max hp instantaneously....... so you can get hit by 10-12 mobs at once...if no one mob makes u lose 20% of max u will...not.....get....interrupted

So the real issue with pld cast ability is it takes away from dps gcd; and that can be easily fixed.

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Originally Posted by javid

that can be easily fixed.

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By making it not have a cast time.

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Originally Posted by SyzzleSpark

By making it not have a cast time.

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As one of the many solutions possible. Sure!

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Originally Posted by VargasVermillion

Only time you'd use clemency is when things go wrong, which shouldn't happen anyway.

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Things go wrong all the time in 8 man content, which is also the only place class balance even remotely matters. As it turns out, even once you've worked a strategy out (by which time many things will have gone wrong), players are human and mistakes will happen.

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Good luck getting your cast off when you're surrounded by a 9 mob pack that's targeting AoEs at you every 2 seconds.

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This is actually really easy if you know what you're doing. Paladins should be healing a lot in trash pulls right now because getting your healer another GCD in cleric stance >>> using goring blade on another monster. Monster auto attacks aren't strong enough to interrupt a paladin outside of savage content and the cast times on their AOEs are almost all long enough to comfortably finish your cast and GTFO.

Anyway, cast times aren't the worst thing in the world if the ability is worth it. At least it adds another layer of knowing how to play your job and it's something different than what DRK/WAR have gameplay-wise.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

This is actually really easy if you know what you're doing. Paladins should be healing a lot in trash pulls right now because getting your healer another GCD in cleric stance >>> using goring blade on another monster.

Anyway, cast times aren't the worst thing in the world if the ability is worth it. At least it adds another layer of knowing how to play your job and it's something different than what DRK/WAR have gameplay-wise.

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I'm not talking about Clemency though. Sure, it's easy to step out of the AoEs and heal yourself, but giving PLD a casted AoE just complicates the class further and makes it even clunkier to use in dungeons. See: Not hard, clunky. Specially if, like the Benchmark video suggests, it is a cone instead of an AoE centered around a target. It's easy to cast Clemency in pulls right now because it doesn't matter where you're standing. With a cone it's not as simple.

This also does absolutely nothing to adress the fact that PLD will probably be the only tank that has to make the choice whether you want to DPS or heal yourself if this PLD Holy isn't tied to some sort of HP regeneration ability. So it either hits very hard for a tank AoE, or they make the MP cost really low to off-set for Clemency's MP sink.

You're talking as if any of this is "good design" because it's "harder," but it's just an unnecessary gameplay complication instead of actual difficulty.

Who are you quoting?