Future Job Mechanics?

So I am curious what everyone would like to see as a Mechanic for future Jobs?

You don't need to name a Job for the Mechanic but just simply state the Mechanic and how it functions.

For me I would like to see a Tank Job that uses a mechanic that focus on taking damage.

A lot of the Tank Job's focus current is around causing damage to gain buffs, restore MP, and etc with little focus on actually "Tanking" hits in their mechanic.

It would be interesting if a Tank Job gains special stacks that boost up their defense per hit while also having skills that spend these stacks for special Tank buffs, self healing, or attacks thus giving it a exchange for them to with stand more damage, self heal if they don't need the defense buff, gaining special buffs that focus on improving the Job's ability to tank, or cause more damage.

Shapeshifting Forms. Pretty straight forward, you enter a stance(form) and stay transformed until de-activated, granting you a series of abilities unique to that form.

Stealing Enemy Buffs/Abilities. Another straightforward one. Blue Mage, obviously. Imagine being able to steal an enemy's buff like Haste or Vulnerability Down. Imagine another ability allowing you to apply it to your whole party at reduced potency.

Illusions. Making illusions that can do minute healing/dps passively, attract enemy attention for solo'ing, etc...

Over Healing. Tank at 50,000/50,000 HP? Keep going. A few seconds later, they're at 56,000/50,000 HP. Get them up to 100,000/50,000 and give them a DPS buff. Make this available to all healers and it could make for an interesting dynamic in how tank busters are handled.

warping/teleporting/phasing/

maybe a blink tank that isnt so reliant on rng, but reactive to a small degree with minimal necessary cooldowns
or that cloning mechanic from the morpho boss, that would be cool for a tank to split forms for a short period whilst having a decoy keep the boss/enemy in place. Damage crecieved could apply/or not(if its the tank ultimate)


time mage out the window but a caster that could teleport more often that blm AM

a healer that uses tp instead of mp, likewise a healer that fights upfront and has some form of aura healing and minimal toolkit to ensure it works.

A bubble healer

A DPS that...well i got nothing for that.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

So I am curious what everyone would like to see as a Mechanic for future Jobs?

You don't need to name a Job for the Mechanic but just simply state the Mechanic and how it functions.

For me I would like to see a Tank Job that uses a mechanic that focus on taking damage.

A lot of the Tank Job's focus current is around causing damage to gain buffs, restore MP, and etc with little focus on actually "Tanking" hits in their mechanic.

It would be interesting if a Tank Job gains special stacks that boost up their defense per hit while also having skills that spend these stacks for special Tank buffs, self healing, or attacks thus giving it a exchange for them to with stand more damage, self heal if they don't need the defense buff, gaining special buffs that focus on improving the Job's ability to tank, or cause more damage.

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Remember that this is a game with multiple tanks per fight. :P

A tank that relies on being MT gets shat on.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Shapeshifting Forms. Pretty straight forward, you enter a stance(form) and stay transformed until de-activated, granting you a series of abilities unique to that form.

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That.. sounds like a horrible idea. Not only would it more likely be reduced to the 'mount' bar, but why would we even want to transform as the WoL?

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Over Healing. Tank at 50,000/50,000 HP? Keep going. A few seconds later, they're at 56,000/50,000 HP. Get them up to 100,000/50,000 and give them a DPS buff. Make this available to all healers and it could make for an interesting dynamic in how tank busters are handled.

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And you don't see this getting abused how..? I don't think the overhaul of the battle system is going to make healing any harder than it is right now, which gives healers plenty of time to weave in dps. If they add this in, they'll just use that time to overheal, and everything will just be a damn pushover.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Shapeshifting Forms. Pretty straight forward, you enter a stance(form) and stay transformed until de-activated, granting you a series of abilities unique to that form.

Stealing Enemy Buffs/Abilities. Another straightforward one. Blue Mage, obviously. Imagine being able to steal an enemy's buff like Haste or Vulnerability Down. Imagine another ability allowing you to apply it to your whole party at reduced potency.

Illusions. Making illusions that can do minute healing/dps passively, attract enemy attention for solo'ing, etc...

Over Healing. Tank at 50,000/50,000 HP? Keep going. A few seconds later, they're at 56,000/50,000 HP. Get them up to 100,000/50,000 and give them a DPS buff. Make this available to all healers and it could make for an interesting dynamic in how tank busters are handled.

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I'm actually a bit advocate of them adding the Illuionist job from FF tactics.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

That.. sounds like a horrible idea. Not only would it more likely be reduced to the 'mount' bar, but why would we even want to transform as the WoL?

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Why not? Its a mechanic that currently doesn't exist in the game. Thought the idea of the thread was to post mechanic ideas, not discuss whether or not they'd be universally extolled by the entire playerbase as amazing. I know a number of people this would appeal to.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

And you don't see this getting abused how..? I don't think the overhaul of the battle system is going to make healing any harder than it is right now, which gives healers plenty of time to weave in dps. If they add this in, they'll just use that time to overheal, and everything will just be a damn pushover.

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Gives those healers who, 'Refuse to DPS,' a way to contribute through healing though. Keep everyone topped off at twice the HP, and you're keeping a DPS buff up on them. Might even help make WHMs more valuable since their main thing is strong powerful heals.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

I'm actually a bit advocate of them adding the Illuionist job from FF tactics.

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Would be pretty nifty.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Remember that this is a game with multiple tanks per fight. :P

A tank that relies on being MT gets shat on.

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Well i am speaking Tank Stance mechanic wise.

Just slap in a DPS Stance that builds a separate DPS Buff stack that builds by causing damage and the same skills to have a more DPS focused effects and buffs.

For example, in Tank Stance the Tank builds Defensive stacks per hit from a enemy up to 5.

Spend the 5 Defense stack on a Buff skill that gives a Reflect Damage Buff for 15 seconds.

However, in DPS Stance after build 5 DPS buff Stacks by causing damage to the enemy they spend the 5 DPS Stack on the same Buff skill but it gives a different Buff being a 30% increase in Crit Chance and Crit Damage for 15 seconds.

it what I like to call the Take and Cause Damage Mechanic which in Tank Stance the Tank Take Damage for Defense Stacks and ability benefits while in DPS Stance Tank Cause Damage for DPS Stacks for DPS buffs and abilitiy benefits.

Sounds like the mechanic a Blue Mage tank would revolve around OP ;3

Be interesting if for the cost of MP, MCH could throw a second turret onto the field for a while or something.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Why not? Its a mechanic that currently doesn't exist in the game. Thought the idea of the thread was to post mechanic ideas, not discuss whether or not they'd be universally extolled by the entire playerbase as amazing. I know a number of people this would appeal to.

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Well, was just told about the 'Shapeshifting' thing being from lolWoW... Doesn't make sense here though. As something posted on these forums, it'll always be discussed.

Edit: Was also told that the shapeshifted forms was just versions of other classes that already existed. So basically was the class that had a class system in itself... Sounds like what we already have.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Gives those healers who, 'Refuse to DPS,' a way to contribute through healing though. Keep everyone topped off at twice the HP, and you're keeping a DPS buff up on them. Might even help make WHMs more valuable since their main thing is strong powerful heals.

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So are you seriously saying it's a good idea to take away all form of dangers from this game? Just keep overhealing so they never even drop to what their Max hp should be? Just press the same button throughout the entire dungeon, it's ok, no one will even go into their real health bar.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

Well, was just told about the 'Shapeshifting' thing being from lolWoW... Doesn't make sense here though. As something posted on these forums, it'll always be discussed.

Edit: Was also told that the shapeshifted forms was just versions of other classes that already existed. So basically was the class that had a class system in itself... Sounds like what we already have.



So are you seriously saying it's a good idea to take away all form of dangers from this game? Just keep overhealing so they never even drop to what their Max hp should be? Just press the same button throughout the entire dungeon, it's ok, no one will even go into their real health bar.

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Probably wouldnt prevent them to make savage raids contain nothing but OHKO abuse. New meta shifts from healers healing to playing smn in a 24 man raid, well the smn that isnt dying constantly, i mean.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

Well, was just told about the 'Shapeshifting' thing being from lolWoW... Doesn't make sense here though. As something posted on these forums, it'll always be discussed.

Edit: Was also told that the shapeshifted forms was just versions of other classes that already existed. So basically was the class that had a class system in itself... Sounds like what we already have.

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Shapeshifting has existed in the Final Fantasy franchise before. There was a job called Morpher in one of the games. I don't see why it need necessary copy/paste existing classes though.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

So are you seriously saying it's a good idea to take away all form of dangers from this game? Just keep overhealing so they never even drop to what their Max hp should be? Just press the same button throughout the entire dungeon, it's ok, no one will even go into their real health bar.

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As ADVSS already pointed out, not like OHKO type moves won't be abused in raids and dungeons anyways. I'd say risk is already pretty much non-existent anyways. Could always balance it by Overhealed HP dropping rapidly out of combat.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Shapeshifting has existed in the Final Fantasy franchise before. There was a job called Morpher in one of the games. I don't see why it need necessary copy/paste existing classes though.

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It exists in this game as costumes and debuffs. Morphers didn't transform, merely acted as a variant to Blue Mage. Terra and Vincent are hardly a good way to show off from previous games too. Even with all this, being transformed has already been shown to limit what we can do in this world, so why should it be a Job? Not only that, but sticking to the holy trinity it would only have one transformation, and then we'd get all the "Add this transformation glamour!" posts up in addition to the Smn pet ones.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

It exists in this game as costumes and debuffs. Morphers didn't transform, merely acted as a variant to Blue Mage. Terra and Vincent are hardly a good way to show off from previous games too. Even with all this, being transformed has already been shown to limit what we can do in this world, so why should it be a Job? Not only that, but sticking to the holy trinity it would only have one transformation, and then we'd get all the "Add this transformation glamour!" posts up in addition to the Smn pet ones.

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Can't say I see a problem wanting transformation glamours. And you could easily have multiple forms. If the class is a tank, it can have a DPS form capable of similar outputs as Warrior when outside of its tanking stance. Tank form would be the standard if main tanking. Heck, could even add an off-tank form that slaps debuffs on enemies.

For a tank, partial MP shielding. Reduce damage by a specified percentage, but a major portion of the damage reduced by that skill gets converted to MP damage. This would be offset by having multiple means of restoring MP (likely more than DRK).

For a healer, delayed trigger healing. Basically means a heal that goes off whenever the target's health reaches a specific target percentage (usually anywhere from 35% to 50%).

For ranged DPS, a mobility system that promotes standing still to do damage rather than punish them for having spare mobility. WoW veterans (especially hunters) would know this system as Sniper Training. For those who don't know that, think if instead of an on/off switch for WM/GB, those buffs would slowly stack up when the character stood still, but would immediately drop as soon as they moved.

For melee DPS, either charioteer from Bravely Second or a job that alternates through various weapons with each attack.

For caster DPS, a one-spell caster. One basic single cast, and then a number of oGCD abilities that would tweak the effect of that spell (i.e. dot, AoE, heavy nuke, etc.) so the rotation would look like ability-cast-ability-cast, constantly weaving an oGCD effect into the one spell.

beast master and mage tank pefer blue mage but i won't be anger if it doesn't happy

Remove Celeric stance as an ability and make it a buff that appears instead as you heal but all it does it raise your damage delt. the more you heal the longer it lasts. This way healers can still heal and dps without having to dance around

In general:
- "Simultaneously-castable" or "partial animation" oGCDs
- Repositionable dashes, charges/dives, and repels, allowing the player to determine where around the enemy he lands or at what angle from the enemy he repels through brief control at the start of the animation
- Hitbox resizing (conditional larger hitboxes for tanks, and smaller hitboxes for many others when mid-charge, etc.)
- Interception (attacks which would hit an ally with lesser health through a tank's enlarged conditional hitbox instead hit the tank)
- Variable percentile effects (Effects may now taper or rise over time, and at different rates, e.g. linear, logarithmic, or both, and by any given coefficient)
- Potency-as-percentile (Different debuffs now give a "potency" of effect, which equates to any given actual percentage based on the caster's and the target's or targets' stats. In short, many debuffs may now create an equal or at least more equal effect whether cast on strong or weak enemies, more similar to the effects of damage and therefore allowing the use of such skills in a broader manner rather than against niche or key targets only.)
- Effect fields (Most elemental spells and many abilities leave a lingering non-targetable unit/field effect that affects and can be affected by nearby casts. This is primarily of importance for elemental effects, such as lingering water from Asylum, but may also apply to, say, a Smoke field as created by Shukuchi or Smoke Bomb, which can be expanded by a wind cast within.)

...All I've got time for right now, but ACN, SMN, and CNJ next!