First i'd like to apologize because my image editing skills are terrible, however i think the picture is enough to have an idea of what i'm asking for.
How it could work:
The idea would be to have a Launcher for the Benchmarks of every version of current and Future Benchmarks.
People would download the launcher, click one of the Benchmarks releases for each major version of Final Fantasy XIV and select the one(s) they want to Test, which would proceed to downloading the version of the Benchmark specified unless already installed.
From here people could pick the DirectX version supported by that benchmark (image bellow has 2.0 DX11 greyed out because it doesn't support it), edit settings such as resolution and Anti Aliasing settings.
Obviously there would be a "standard" preset set by the Devs that would be used for the Leaderboards.
Why Leaderboards?
The idea of having Leaderboards would be to bring more people to the game, it doesn't mean most people who used the Benchmark for the leaderboards would be interested in playing the game itself, but there's various Benchmarks out there where people try the best they can to be on Top, those people post their results on forums and Youtube (example) which would be a source to "Showcase" the game.
There shouldn't be rewards associated with Benchmark leaderboards, due to obvious reasons.
There should also be a separate leaderboard for each of the benchmarks as well.
The leaderboards would display details such as Min, Average and Max FPS, CPU, GPU, GPU Drivers version, OS version (separate sub-leaderboards for resolutions: 1080p, 1440p, 4k (example)).
The leaderboards could the be used as an example for people looking for an upgrade to their system as well.
The display name of the users would depend if they have an in-game chracter, but would obviously require a Square Enix account to upload to the leaderboards.
Leaderboard Features
- Separate Leaderboards for each of the Benchmarks
- Standard profile set by the devs (aka default profile, and the only one that would be uploaded)
- Sub Leaderboards for each of the Benchmarks based on the resolution used, default page would be 1080p (due to being the most common).
- Clicking on a specific Benchmark score would display system details used for that benchmark, such as Min/Average/Max FPS, CPU, GPU, GPU Drivers, OS etc
Bellow is the concept pic (used as an example to give an idea, sorry for bad editing skills :p).
The pic shows:
- Selectable version of the Benchmark
- Selectable API (would vary depending if the benchmark supports DX9 only or also DX11)
- Screenshots showcasing the specific selected benchmark (for people who got the Benchmark but don't know about the game at all).
- Graph with Min/Average/Max FPS achieved in the benchmark.
- Leaderboards button taking people to the Leaderboards section of the Lodestone.
For reference the pic is just an "edited" version of the Heavensward benchmark, obviously it can look 1 billion times better.
http://i.imgur.com/Y3nlJX0.png
Again sorry for the poor editing skills :p
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04-09-2017, 04:47 AMRobbieHConcept: Final Fantasy XIV Benchmark "Launcher" (with Leaderboards)
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04-09-2017, 06:28 AMPaladinleeds
I actually think that's a useful idea. You could take the full scores, compare it to people who got similar (or higher) scores.
Only thing I think they should add in is to be able to search for results by certain criteria, such as by CPU (let's say I want to check all uploaded benchmarks with an i7-3770K, which is my processor), then that should be possible. Because then you can start to see gaps in performance between different builds and help find the greatest upgrades for someone when addressing their build. -
04-09-2017, 10:10 AMKyuuen
It's not a bad idea. I'm for it.
Just one question...
Is that your actual build? And if so, why are you still rocking a 1920x1080 monitor? That's like hanging a new chandelier in a haunted house. xD -
04-09-2017, 11:12 AMStitches1974Think it's just random stuff, as GTX 1080 cards don't have 3 gig of Vram.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuuen
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04-09-2017, 11:58 AMKyuuenNice catch, I completely missed that even though I looked dead at it. >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by Stitches1974
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04-09-2017, 12:23 PMValkyrie_LennethThe system seems to max at 3092 for gpu memory in system info for some reason. It shows that on my 6gig 980 TI as well.Quote:
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I still play on 1080p monitors because im waiting on prices to drop a bit more on the 10bit 4k displays. -
04-09-2017, 04:15 PMKazrah
Four reasons why I'm not sure about this.
1) You can change your score by tweaking the game settings (score to low? lower the game settings).
2) Benchmark scores were only intended for self-competition rather than competition with others because....
3) devs won't need scores to be public to know what they are, and....
4) at the end of the day, all this would be is to see who spent the most money on their computer. -
04-09-2017, 06:28 PMRobbieHYes that's my build, the 3GB is a bug of the Benchmark itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyuuen
And i use nVIDIA DSR at 1440p, while it's not the same as a real Monitor of say, actual 1440p, its nice, the only thing i don't like about my monitor is the colors and the blacks, they're really bad lol.
Did you read everything?Quote:
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Because i said there's a default profile, and the only one that can be uploaded, so if anyone changes any setting they can't upload it. -
04-09-2017, 07:38 PMKazrahFair enough, but still doesn't answer my other three complaints.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieH
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04-09-2017, 08:53 PMRobbieHYour other complains don't make much sense, because that's the point of Benchmarks, to test Hardware capabilities and it's stability under overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
Obviously people with the best Hardware and Overclock would be on top, but how does it affect you? The leaderboards would be mainly to bring hardcore overclockers to the Benchmark and from there it would bring people to the game due to the overclockers post the results to forums/youtube etc.
People could also compare their build with similar builds, but for that the devs would need to display on the result page the frequencies of the RAM, CPU and GPU Core/VRAM, number of GPUs etc. -
04-09-2017, 11:38 PMKazrahThe point is for the player to test their own hardware and for the devs to get a read on how many of their current players will be able to continue playing their game once upgrades kick in. Sure, players can share scores and so on, but those sorts of scores are never intended to be a competition because all it'd be is to see who has the most money to spend on a gaming computer. Nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieH
Actually, this sends the wrong message for the game, that you need a computer worth a college degree just to play the game. Of course it doesn't, but potential customers who would glance over those leaderboards probably wouldn't be aware of that fact. If anything, that's something that would give those potential new players one more reason to pause for thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieH
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04-09-2017, 11:59 PMMasekase_Hurricane
or they just save themselves money and wait for the thread containing peoples benchmark scores :P
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04-10-2017, 12:04 AMErryKI was gonna mention this. There's not much reason for leaderboards because the data has to occupy a server or some sort of public database on SE's part. If people really wanted to compare, they'd do what Masekase has said or they would contact each other via Facebook groups, Whatsapp, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane
Not everything needs its own little system to be done when it can be done without. -
04-10-2017, 01:03 AMStitches1974Depends on your OS or something else then. My System info lists 18.3 Gig of Vram. Windows 10 64 bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
EDIT: Have not tried a 4K monitor yet, but going from 1080P to 1440P was amazing. I use an Acer Predator monitor. -
04-10-2017, 01:27 AMRobbieHThen why do you care about the leaderboards? Test your system and move on lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
How so? The results would display average FPS, let's say the best result has average FPS of 150, do you think people are going to spend thousands to get an average of 150FPS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
I don't understand why this community loves to cause drama in every thread that's posted. -
04-10-2017, 03:43 AMKazrahThat's what I did for Heavensward: tested it only for my machine. It's the fact that a leaderboard is present that it would promote unhealthy competition that wouldn't promote anything other than people who spent a boatload on a computer.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieH
Yup, especially from people who think FPS is a better means of gauging their system than the actual scoring system used for the benchmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieH
It's called a "counterpoint". Welcome to debates.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobbieH
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04-10-2017, 08:18 AMRobbieHWhy would it be unhealthy competition? By your logic all leaderboards promote unhealthy competitions and promote nothing else than epeen, let's remove PVP and PoTD leaderboards before it's too late!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
The problem is that you're looking at previous benchmarks, and previous benchmarks are not real benchmarks, they're far from actual game performance even when HW launched when compared to the actual benchmark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
That's why the SB benchmark (if we even get one) could be a real one to stress test the user system, it would require dozens of toons being displayed and rendered in the benchmark, because previous benchmarks barely have anything going on.
So making it more of a stress test would be great as it would be much more of a real approach to the actual in-game performance, such as 24 Man raids and Cities / S Rank Hunts with 40+ people being displayed at once.
Because the current benchmark is misleading, you get a really nice score, then you go in-game and it's not even close to the Benchmark even if you go to Hinterlands for example.
Example: I play at 1440p, i had two GTX970 in SLI, then upgraded to a single GTX1080, same CPU, in the Benchmark i get 16600~ on the GTX1080, with the 970SLI i got 15800, yet i get much better performance with the GTX1080 in-game (whereas the benchmark only give me about 5% more performance), such as i'd go as low as 35FPS in Limsa and with the GTX1080 i get 42 at worse (and it even has more people there these days)
Fair enough, but you can always not take it the drama road lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah