Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

...Then I have absolutely no interest in playing your game. Was a fun trip, but I think all good things come to an end.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

I'm gonna clarify this once and for all. The reason why I'm so upset about this entire situation is because this completely breaks the reward structure in the game. Say whatever you want about "waaah you don't need the weapon to do the content", "it has random stats", "the chances of getting one for your job are so slim", etc. That doesn't change the fact that those weapons are currently the biggest carrot to get in the game and you get them by "winning the lottery". When you give the best reward by being extremely lucky with absolutely no ties to player skill (and the effort put into it is relative depending on said luck, if you got it on your 1st run or after 3 months) that tells me that the entire reward structure in the game is a joke and I shouldn't take it seriously anymore. Regardless of if it's a precedent for the future or not the reward structure IS ALREADY A JOKE, right now, this very minute. (By the way, for those who insist about the raid gear still making raiding worth it, there are jobs like NIN that may not use drops from A11S nor A12S at all now. That means only doing 9 and 10, where you can get carried in a corpse bag even on cross-server pf).

After the release I stopped playing for a few days and waited for the PAX panel to see if there was any new development about it. Was hoping for Yoshi to say that they may be considering adjustments, or that this is part of a bigger plan with more stuff coming soon (like maybe ways to upgrade raid weapons/gear), etc. Instead his response was that everybody should "calm down" and that this is perfectly fine just because it's rare to get it. That response made me feel really insulted for the reasons I mentioned in the former paragraph.

Now I gotta say, with a cooler head my reaction on my original post may have been overblown. As someone at some point in the thread mentioned there's still a lot more to the game and this is just a part of it. But then when I try to do anything I find that I lost a lot of motivation to put the effort.

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Yoshida says Anima is still the strongest weapon :^)

Don't you think the best weapons in the game that are better than what we have now will be coming in Stormblood? My opinion you are quitting over ridiculous reason when better stuff will be released in the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Yoshida says Anima is still the strongest weapon :^)

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TFW the head behind the entire game is totally clueless about how stats work.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Don't you think the best weapons in the game that are better than what we have now will be coming in Stormblood? My opinion you are quitting over ridiculous reason when better stuff will be released in the expansion.

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Well you could save 3 months sub fee if you unsub and wait until then and not play slot machine I guess. Everything you do now is going to be mostly meaningless right if all the good stuff is going to be in SB?

Take care!!

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Don't you think the best weapons in the game that are better than what we have now will be coming in Stormblood? My opinion you are quitting over ridiculous reason when better stuff will be released in the expansion.

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By that token, why would I invest work into Stormblood when there's probably another expansion over the horizon that will invalidate all the work in there ? Hmm ??

At the moment we are in 'endgame' mode -- people have worked for their gears over the various patch cycles, cleared their content and in general are sitting on feelings of satisfaction what they have achieved and obtained through working for it. Raids have been completed, incredible amounts of time, effort and resources have been poured into anima weapons and there's this sense of relief "we've got that all sortted, now we can start ticking off our Heavensward bucket lists while we build up towards the new expansion"

And then comes Diadem. Which, in one shot, for ridiculously low entry/skill/effort requirements, awards (albeit on a slim chance) something better than a population majority has spent the ENTIRE patch cycle working for.

And it mystifies you why people are upset ?

An as an added insult to injury, Yoshi-P ambles in and proclaims it not to be a big deal. The mind absolutely boggles.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Well you could save 3 months sub fee if you unsub and wait until then and not play slot machine I guess. Everything you do now is going to be mostly meaningless right if all the good stuff is going to be in SB?

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Well I suppose that would be one way to look at it, but as others have said Anima still is the best weapon.

See you in SB.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Don't you think the best weapons in the game that are better than what we have now will be coming in Stormblood? My opinion you are quitting over ridiculous reason when better stuff will be released in the expansion.

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People like you still don't get it. It's not so much about the weapon's strength that bothers people, it's more about the principle that SE is going with. What's to stop them from doing something like this again in Stormblood, especially if people are so nonchalant about it or even agreeing with the path SE is taking?

What a ridiculous reason to quit FFXIV.
Since getting the weapon is like playing the lottery, the chances of getting that weapon is slim to none. Why stress over it where you can just get your Anima or other weapon that is close to that ilvl; it may be just a few points off so what? You used that weapon to clear end game content before the 'new' Diadem ever came.

Get what? quitting because you can't get a 280 weapon that's a random drop with random stats. In a sense which you can get right now the anima weapon is better because you know what the stats will be. Your choice I understand that and if that's what you want all the best to you.

Basically the winning the jackpot weapons have come at a time when progression is done and it really has no impact on the game. The math says its about a 1 in 1000 chance that you get one so not many people will even have one. They probably would never do this type of thing but at the end of an expansion.

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Originally Posted by St0rmchild

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Exactly. Why play the game at all if you're just gonna quit because something better came out than the weapon you already have? OP is doing herself a favor by quitting, cause she probably doesn't know how MMO's work.

I understand why she is upset, I was upset over it too. But its not nearly that bad of a scenario to make me quit, especially when we knew that eventually, our weapons would have been outgeared anyway. If this is enough to make you quit, then you should quit.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

TFW the head behind the entire game is totally clueless about how stats work.

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We also base everything off of theory.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

In a sense which you can get right now the anima weapon is better because you know what the stats will be.

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That's nice and all, but for some jobs the weapon could have only half the substats than the Anima and still be vastly superior. So that doesn't even matter.

Honestly? It seems the devs are sooomewhat out of touch with their own game and are not really into theorycrafting.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Don't you think the best weapons in the game that are better than what we have now will be coming in Stormblood? My opinion you are quitting over ridiculous reason when better stuff will be released in the expansion.

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That's kinda flawed logic. Because assuming the patch cycles stay the same. The best weapons won't be in storm blood either there'll be in 4.2.

Oh wait no they won't they'll be in 4.4

Oh wait no they won't theyll be in 5.0

Never ends.

It's funny because people saying ah who cares it'll just be replaced in the expansion are basically saying the exact same thing as most of the player Base have been saying since 2.0 when it comes to raiding. Who cares there'll just be better stuff next patch....

And thus most of the player Base don't bother raiding because it's worthless

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Originally Posted by Dzian

The best weapons won't be in storm blood either there'll be in 4.2.

Oh wait no they won't they'll be in 4.4

Oh wait no they won't theyll be in 5.0

Never ends.

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....That is what MMOs are in a nutshell. IJS.
*Says this while continuing to raid.*

Well that would be ridiculous if they didn't add a better weapon or weapon upgrade in the expansion then what you can currently get. Maybe not in the initial 4.0 release but I'd say at least soon after.

While I certainly find the OP overreacting, Yoshi's comments about the Anima being better is demonstrably false and... a little disconcerting. They already break the ilvl (280 yet have stats equivalent to 290). Now he's apparently claiming the Anima is still better. Either it was worded poorly or... he's clueless on stat allocations.

No A12S gear equipped, no achievement history shown...have you even cleared A12S OP?

Maybe tackle the real content before crying that you can't get welfare gear easy.

If you didn't know that every single piece of your absolute strongest gear that you've spent weeks on end struggling to obtain will be outgeared by white gear given to you in a sidequest when Stormblood releases, then you know now.

It's imperative that you understand this fact before you pre-order Stormblood. The moment you make that purchase, you will be accepting, meaning agreeing to, the terms and conditions that all your current gear will become utterly worthless (as far as iLevels & stats are concerned. Your memories & experience from doing the challenging content will still be intact, but I mean who cares about that right?) at release.

Take care, and I hope you make the best decision for yourself!

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Originally Posted by RaijinSupreme

]If you didn't know that every single piece of your absolute strongest gear that you've spent weeks on end struggling to obtain will be outgeared by white gear given to you in a sidequest when Stormblood releases, then you know now.

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PSA: You will die and everything you do in your life will be meaningless. Your memories will vanish, your bloodline will be diluted, your children die, your works erode and wither in time. One day, you'll be nothing more than the object of fancy for an archaeologist that marvels at how primitive you are. So please take good care of your bones and teeth while you still can - You will make someone happy down the line.

Following same reasoning of the topic, I need to lose any interest in the Gold Saucer because some people won the weekly Cacpot.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

...Then I have absolutely no interest in playing your game. Was a fun trip, but I think all good things come to an end.

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Good luck with your new MMO and have fun

[Have a safe journey.]

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Originally Posted by Zojha

PSA: You will die and everything you do in your life will be meaningless. Your memories will vanish, your bloodline will be diluted, your children die, your works erode and wither in time. One day, you'll be nothing more than the object of fancy for an archaeologist that marvels at how primitive you are. So please take good care of your bones and teeth while you still can - You will make someone happy down the line.

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Very true. All of that. Take a thumbs up.

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Originally Posted by Remus

Yoshida says Anima is still the strongest weapon :^)

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So that plus 3 damage is nothing? Oh my.

Let me phrase this in a matter that is more to the point - THERE IS NO BEST WEAPON IN THE GAME. Nothing that exists in this game is definitive longer than 2 full patch cycles. 3.5 is longer than the average patch cycle due to it being last patch before release. For this to be an upgrade in potential ilvl, should not be suprising. To find it insulting, well, is a difference of opinion I won't ever be able to change to agree to.

If you're leaving over this, goodbye. I strongly recommend you reassess your pastime and potentially real life values before you enter another online game - as you will likely be met with continuous disappointment otherwise.

This whole 280 thing has me wondering if people have played other MMOs before. This sort of thing has been common for years now.

We're in that time during the end of an expansion where loot starts getting easier and easier to get as it will soon hold little value. As an example, at the end of Warlords of Draenor there were demon invasions leading into the new expansion that were incredibly easy that could drop loot of the same item level as the last raid's hardest difficulty.

We're basically in the off-season, so I wouldn't worry too much about item power. I'd focus instead on getting glamour, making gil, leveling jobs, completing tasks or even taking a break.

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Originally Posted by Alerion

This whole 280 thing has me wondering if people have played other MMOs before. This sort of thing has been common for years now.

We're in that time during the end of an expansion where loot starts getting easier and easier to get as it will soon hold little value. As an example, at the end of Warlords of Draenor there were demon invasions leading into the new expansion that were incredibly easy that could drop loot of the same item level as the last raid's hardest difficulty.

We're basically in the off-season, so I wouldn't worry too much about item power. I'd focus instead on getting glamour, making gil, leveling jobs, completing tasks or even taking a break.

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I think that's the main reason people are upset though. It's not the same item level. There would probably be less outrage if the weapon was 275 even if it could roll good secondaries.

People don't seem to mind about the proto-ultima 270 accessories even though it's same as raid ilvl/cap ilvl and really easy to get.

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Originally Posted by DreamAngel-Ren

What a ridiculous reason to quit FFXIV.
Since getting the weapon is like playing the lottery, the chances of getting that weapon is slim to none. Why stress over it where you can just get your Anima or other weapon that is close to that ilvl; it may be just a few points off so what? You used that weapon to clear end game content before the 'new' Diadem ever came.

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Was the exact reason I quit Dungeon Fighter Online. Epic gear. Best in the game. But requires a lot of grinding and luck to obtain. They are vastly ahead of any other gear in the game and they are obtained in a similar manner. When a novice who does not necessarily knows how to play their class has the same chance as someone who has spent many hours learning their class to get the very best piece of gear in the game, something is incredibly wrong.

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Originally Posted by St0rmchild

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This pretty much nails it.

Let me tell you guys a fun story.

So with my static we cleared A12S right before the new year. After that we kept clearing it every week and my weapon never dropped. Valentine's felll on what would have been our 8th week so some people were out traveling, being with their lovey doveys, etc. so we waited until monday next week so we could be all together. During that weekend the fanfest happens, a new anima quest is announced. We get our 8th clear and page, still no weapon but everybody in my static insists that I should wait until next week and the new anima step and that it would be stupid for me to buy the weapon for my main job now, and to save it for another job. But the main thing I play in the game is WAR and I don't play any other job nearly as seriously. So I was already mad because right when I'm able to get my raid weapon an anima step that makes it better gets slapped in my face invalidating all the work I put into raiding. While I'm making my mind about getting it for DRG or BRD I do other stuff in the meantime and BOOM, 9 days later YET ANOTHER weapon gets slapped in my face that renders the raid weapons even more obsolete and now I'm like "why should I even bother with buying one anymore?"

And to add more insult to injury there's the method of acquisition. It doesn't have anything to do with skill or time invested. It's ABSOLUTE LUCK. It's winning the lottery. HOW DOES SUCH A METHOD MAKE SENSE? And the only "effort" it takes is how long are you willing to afk inside the diadem. I'm gonna quote Xeno on this (watch at the timestamp) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/127571027?t=39m34s

And when I look back and see other bad decisions by the dev team like completely removing chat from a pvp mode that requires team coordination then I can see how things are going downhill, dumbing everything down and adding painful grinds / many layers of RNG to make it justifiable.

Sorry, but that's not the game I want to play anymore.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery......Then I have absolutely no interest in playing your game. Was a fun trip, but I think all good things come to an end.

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What the point of the lottery if you can't have a rarely and wonderful price ?

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Originally Posted by Ceasaria

What the point of the lottery if you can't have a rarely and wonderful price ?

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Ask yourself why do you need a lottery in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

I think that's the main reason people are upset though. It's not the same item level. There would probably be less outrage if the weapon was 275 even if it could roll good secondaries.

People don't seem to mind about the proto-ultima 270 accessories even though it's same as raid ilvl/cap ilvl and really easy to get.

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I understand what you're getting at but I think the principle of what I'm trying to say stands.

We're in the "end of expansion" phase where item power doesn't mean a whole lot. The final patch has dropped and FFXIV is following MMO tradition of letting players obtain powerful gear fairly easily for the few months left it will be useful.

I maintain that we should focus on our pre-expansion checklists or take a break instead of worrying over what amounts to nothing.

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Get what? quitting because you can't get a 280 weapon that's a random drop with random stats. In a sense which you can get right now the anima weapon is better because you know what the stats will be. Your choice I understand that and if that's what you want all the best to you.

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That's not the reason the OP is quitting at all. Not even remotely close.

Everything with value is built upon principles. This includes a person's faith into the decisions that are made about the mmo they love to play. When the devs abandon their own principles, and try to validate it with RNG based acquisition because they can't figure out any other way to get players to run their content, it gives many players a very empty and defeated feeling. The OP has lost their faith that this dev team will make good decisions in the future, and that is why some players are not going to continue their subs.

Regardless of the true repercussions to the game itself, SE still green-lighted a decision that has needlessly stirred the community. Even the players shrugging their shoulders still know that despite the game itself not having a huge impact as a result of the new weapons, the devs still made a very poor decision with doing so in terms of the community.

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Originally Posted by ShanaShirayuki

People like you still don't get it. It's not so much about the weapon's strength that bothers people, it's more about the principle that SE is going with. What's to stop them from doing something like this again in Stormblood, especially if people are so nonchalant about it or even agreeing with the path SE is taking?

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FINALLY! Someone else says it too.

If you accept it now, you'll have to accept it next time it happens. You know, like Atma, that mess of a 210 step, Gordias-level raid balancing, and so on. I'm not going to unsub personally, but don't think for a moment I'm okay with this development. Diadem couldn't stand on its own, so they had to put a big carrot on a stick to get people to move toward it. . . But if you look past the carrot, and look past Diadem, that's a pretty dark road.

@Sicno: It's a shame to see you go. It seems like you were really vested in the game, and it sucks that timing really bit you in the ass (I happen to be the king of bad timing myself). If anything, take an extended break and perhaps see what Stormblood has to offer when the time comes. Don't expect a complete reinvention of the wheel there, but give it a chance. If you still see reason to move on after, you'll get no complain or sarcasm from me.

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Originally Posted by Sicno

Ask yourself why do you need a lottery in the first place.

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Because it's another way (= rng) to give items along with relic (= time) and the raid (= effort).

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Originally Posted by Rubiss

Was the exact reason I quit Dungeon Fighter Online. Epic gear. Best in the game. But requires a lot of grinding and luck to obtain. They are vastly ahead of any other gear in the game and they are obtained in a similar manner. When a novice who does not necessarily knows how to play their class has the same chance as someone who has spent many hours learning their class to get the very best piece of gear in the game, something is incredibly wrong.

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Why would it be wrong? The attitude you are exuding is self-entitlement. There's no other descriptor. You basically make an argument to deny other people from content purely because you don't like having bad luck. That's a horrible foundation upon which to stand when it comes to game philosophy. If your enjoyment is fixated upon having something someone else cannot because of some arbitrary standard, then what does that really speak about the behaviors we're encouraging in game design?

The problem of loot and value needs to be re-assessed on a foundation level.

I've been growing into the philosophy of late that MMOs lately have had it backwards - Gearstats should not be the reward, but rather the preparation for the challenge. After all, if the true definer of the reward is supposed to be skill and dedication, then providing additional stats to only the skilled presses a hand on the scale of opportunity.

Instead of being upset that your trophy no longer has top stats (that was always going to happen anyways). Instead perhaps delight in the fact that there's another trophy out there to obtain - it's still going to be hard. Yes, some people will get incredibly lucky and get it sooner. But that does not devalue Alexander Weapons - that devalues Coven weapons. Alexander Weapons are trophies for those who work hard in raiding. Diadem weapons are for those who endured and got lucky in Diadem. Anima weapons are for those who persisted and worked their way up the Anima chain.

Three different methods, three different trophies. That's it. Obsessing over stats that never remain relevant for long really does put to question the desires of the person attempting to obtain it.