Magic as a Main Theme in an Expansion?

A Realm Reborn - Despite introducing both Summoner & Scholar, there was never any focus on either of these jobs in the story of the game and they were added pretty unceremoniously. Understandable, the game had to hit the ground running and move forward after 1.0.

Heavensward - Central focus on the Dragonsong war, Dragoons, Elves.

Stormblood - Central focus on Ninja, Samurai, and Monk, Au Ra, Highlander. Despite also unveiling Red Mage, they have not been shown to be present in the story thus far.

Will we ever see magic being brought to the forefront of the story as it has been for the past few expansions for Disciples of War, etc?

Heavy focus on Ninja? Not sure where that is coming from, and you omitted mention of RED MAGE....

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Heavy focus on Ninja? Not sure where that is coming from, and you omitted mention of RED MAGE....

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Yugiri is a ninja. She's going to be central to the story of Doma, as will the Samurai.

Red Mage wasn't even present in the video they showed us. I would think if Red Mage was going to feature in the story AT ALL they'd have shown them in that capacity and they have not.

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Originally Posted by Len

Yugiri is a ninja. She's going to be central to the story of Doma, as will the Samurai.

Red Mage wasn't even present in the video they showed us. I would think if Red Mage was going to feature in the story AT ALL they'd have shown them in that capacity and they have not.

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Ninja and Yugiri's skills (along with Thancrad's) were shown and showcased in the later part of ARR and some of HW. I see the natural affinity you are suggesting with SAM and Doma, but still with 2 jobs announced for SB, and the announced/featured Monk focus in the trailer; I believe it's safer to conclude that Monk, Red Mage an Samurai will be 'focus' points.

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Originally Posted by Len

the past few expansions

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We've only had 1 expansion (soon 2) so far and there are 13 (soon 15) jobs. They'll get their turn to shine, please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Heavy focus on Ninja? Not sure where that is coming from, and you omitted mention of RED MAGE....

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"Yoshida named two new story characters for Stormblood: the samurai Gosetsu and his ninja companion Yugiri"


http://www.usgamer.net/articles/final-fantasy-xiv-stormblood-expansions-last-class-is-samurai

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Originally Posted by Stitches1974

"Yoshida named two new story characters for Stormblood: the samurai Gosetsu and his ninja companion Yugiri"


http://www.usgamer.net/articles/fina...ass-is-samurai

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Thank you for the link. However it's natural that Yugiri would be part of the story, however that does not make the Ninja job itself a primary focus.

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Originally Posted by Len

Red Mage wasn't even present in the video they showed us. I would think if Red Mage was going to feature in the story AT ALL they'd have shown them in that capacity and they have not.

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That is what I find odd as well. A whole new job and not even mentioned in the original or extended trailer.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Thank you for the link. However it's natural that Yugiri would be part of the story, however that does not make the Ninja job itself a primary focus.

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That's not even the point. She is a character that has been established as a Ninja and she has been present in the story in a major way.

The visibility of magic-based characters in the story pales in comparison.

yeah another thread sure about the story infos of a game that isn't playable yet!

magic as a main theme can be in 5.0 if we don't go to Garlemald (garleans can't do magic)

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Originally Posted by Stitches1974

That is what I find odd as well. A whole new job and not even mentioned in the original or extended trailer.

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Machinist, Astrologian and Dark Knight aren't even in the 3.0 trailer.

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Originally Posted by Felis

magic as a main theme can be in 5.0 if we don't go to Garlemald (garleans can't do magic)


Machinist, Astrologian and Dark Knight aren't even in the 3.0 trailer.

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No clue. I only started playing about 5 months ago.

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Originally Posted by Stitches1974

That is what I find odd as well. A whole new job and not even mentioned in the original or extended trailer.

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Neither Astrologian, Machinist nor Dark Knight were showcased in the HW trailer. Only Warrior and Dragoon.

Samurai was the focus for the Othard section of the trailer due to the job suiting the atmosphere.

If they were going to do a trailer focused on a Victorian London style metropolis Red Mage would likely be the focus job.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

If they were going to do a trailer focused on a Victorian London style metropolis Red Mage would likely be the focus job.

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Burmecia? I wonder how well that would work.

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Originally Posted by Stitches1974

Burmecia? I wonder how well that would work.

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Sharlayan is a viable locations. Sharlayan gear already looks the part.

DRK and AST werent featured in the HW trailer. But they were the cover for many advertisements of the expansion. DRK is still the promoted job for Facebook advertisements.

I expect there to be a rendition of the magi war at some point in this game.
I'd love an entire expansion of WHM vs BLM and the other mages supporting either side.

Derplander is the poster-boy for FFXIV. The Jobs given the spotlight are ones he's taken up while in a new environment.

In Ishgard it was DRG because of its prestige and tactile strength against the dragon menace. Dark Knight is a powerful discipline, but also very anti-hero, which would clash with the Derplanders image.

Monks are essentially the most prevalent role in Ala Mhigo, with different schools and sects diversifying the discipline. We will essentially play out what is to be Derplander fighting for Ala Mhigo and against the Empire as the one Job that represents the people the best.

For Othard, or rather the region around Doma atleast, Samurai is probably your general discipline, Ninja are a specialized role that stay out of direct conflict, and there doesn't seem to be a discipline that holds any greater significance than those two.

So to see Derplander, who up til now has taken very direct, very engaging disciplines then become a backline caster would create dissonance. If anything, we'll ultimately never see Him taking up such unless they were to ever release a DoM tank or very direct magic attacker.

Uhh... Magic not having a big presence in the story at all? I can easily think of six characters in the 3.0 questline that are pretty big deals and all use magic. Look at the scions alone, the majority of the big name Scion NPCs are ALL mages of some form, as a matter of fact Thancred and Yda are the only two non mage Archons, so if anything I think that should explain why the DoW Jobs are getting some love here.

Well you mean like a Mystic Knight/Blue Mage sort of expansion? That would be cool....

I'm absolutely not so sure that the next expansion will even have magic anywhere near it. Feels like were gonna pincer Garlemald after liberating its western froont and then eastern front....
admittedly if those two and dancer are added in a future expansion, itd definitely fit some sort of persian/mid eastern theme.

To be fair, Ninjas are just a small step away from being spellblades in this game with how mudras work.

Also the backdrop of the Void Ark series was the Mage War from the Fifth Astral Era (iirc?)

Most of the caster Jobs currently existing in game have origins in now dead civilisations. I think WHM is the only one still with a existing tradition in a current nation. All the others are ones we are pretty much bringing back from the dead. Short of a time travel expansion or one focused on Gridania I am not sure exactly how you would 'highlight' any of the existing caster Jobs.

That said its not really a big deal. Dragoon was the star Job in HW and beyond us seeing a lot of them around it didn't hugely impact the story beyond there being a few extra lines if you played a Dragoon.

Its worth pointing out that every Job uses Aether in their combat techniques so loosely magic is tied to every Job. This is why I use the term caster rather than magic.

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Originally Posted by Stitches1974

"Yoshida named two new story characters for Stormblood: the samurai Gosetsu and his ninja companion Yugiri"


http://www.usgamer.net/articles/fina...ass-is-samurai

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My guess is Alisae is going with them and she is Red Mage. They don't need to name old characters.

I'm curious as to why this even matters. Especially since the OP seems to have forgotten the Scions, all of whom are magic-users save for two of them.

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Originally Posted by Len

That's not even the point. She is a character that has been established as a Ninja and she has been present in the story in a major way.

The visibility of magic-based characters in the story pales in comparison.

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Sorry, but that's not true at all.

Y'shtola
Minfillia
Alphie
Papalymo
Urianger
Krile

There are a ridiculous number of highly visible magic-based characters in the story.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Sorry, but that's not true at all.

Y'shtola
Minfillia
Alphie
Papalymo
Urianger
Krile

There are a ridiculous number of highly visible magic-based characters in the story.

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Not to mention Gandelf (Louisoix) who is probably one of the most well known characters in the game and lore. Definitely far more famous than the WoL is right now.

The Old Sharlayan for 5.0 will introduce Time Mage :)

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Originally Posted by Ceasaria

The Old Sharlayan for 5.0 will introduce Time Mage :)

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AST is kind of already a time mage.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

AST is kind of already a time mage.

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Not even kind of. AST is definitely a modern rendition Time Mage.

People are forgetting the moon on the older Time Mage sprites.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Sorry, but that's not true at all.

Y'shtola
Minfillia
Alphie
Papalymo
Urianger
Krile

There are a ridiculous number of highly visible magic-based characters in the story.

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I should have been more specific; how many of those characters can you say fall into any of the magic jobs we have available to us? (Black Mage, White Mage, Summoner, Scholar, Astrologian)

None of them. It would benefit class identity if we had characters in the story that represented these jobs in the same vein as a Yugiri, Estinien, Thancred, and now the new characters being added in Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Len

I should have been more specific; how many of those characters can you say fall into any of the magic jobs we have available to us? (Black Mage, White Mage, Summoner, Scholar, Astrologian)

None of them. It would benefit class identity if we had characters in the story that represented these jobs in the same vein as a Yugiri, Estinien, Thancred, and now the new characters being added in Stormblood.

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but they dont use magic and rogue thancred cant even use aether anymore.....I hope his one night stand with y'shtola was worth it

I imagine since Red Mage is being added (and IF it is a Sharlayan Job), -if- we go to Sharlayan in 5.0 as has been suggested in the past, that Derplander might go Red Mage in the cinematic. To explain a bit further, comments from the Developers in, I believe, one of the Live Letters, explained that the expansions 3.0, 4.0, and 5.0 are telling the story of the rebuilding of the Eorzean Alliance. 3.0 was about Ishgard, 4.0 is about Ala Mhigo, which leaves 5.0 to bring Sharlayan back. Any expansion that would feature Sharlayan would certainly be a Magic-Heavy expansion in terms of NPCs and story I bet.

Otherwise we have characters like Y'shtola, Alisae and Alphinaud, Urianger, Unukalhai, and formerly Papalymo, to build out that Magic role.

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Originally Posted by Len

I should have been more specific; how many of those characters can you say fall into any of the magic jobs we have available to us? (Black Mage, White Mage, Summoner, Scholar, Astrologian)

None of them. It would benefit class identity if we had characters in the story that represented these jobs in the same vein as a Yugiri, Estinien, Thancred, and now the new characters being added in Stormblood.

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Alphinaud is pretty clearly an Arcanist and is a main character throughout both ARR and Heavensward.

Also, with the way some lore works in this game, not everyone is running around as a "job". The Warrior of Light is a unique individual, and all of the other people you group with are merely adventurers. For instance, the Warrior of Light is able to become a White Mage, but there aren't hundreds of White Mages roaming Eorzea. It is a job that is very limited. The lore is actually sort of pesky given that all of the "adventurers" you team up with can have White Mage abilities. I imagine it's difficult to truly RP as a White Mage. As far as the main story goes, though, the Warrior of Light (you) is really the only person adventuring (potentially) as a White Mage.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

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Basically how the lore is when you think about it.

We even see in the game that the NPCs get their own version of Job skills but they themselves are not that job.

mmm there's obviously a sever lack of magic in FF games.
Louisioux calling on the 12 to seal Bahamut, doesn't count.
Estinien using the dragon eye, becoming nidhogg - Thordan and the knights becoming primals, doesn't either?
Sorry, but magic ALWAYS has a strong presence.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Sorry, but that's not true at all.

Y'shtola - whm
Minfillia
Alphie - smn
Papalymo - blm
Urianger - smn
Krile

There are a ridiculous number of highly visible magic-based characters in the story.

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Sorry using your post to help emphasize the point here for the OP on character roles. I've added the jobs roles into your post for the ones I was sure of.

One character you had missed was Alsisa or how ever it's spelt, not quite sure what she was job wise because she never summoned anything that I had seen but after her transforming her book into a sword causes me to suspect she becomes a rdm. There has been lots of magic aspects through out ARR, HW, and until the second expansion comes out to be sure there'll be magic aspects there too.

I'm sure at some point there will be an expansion that showcases a magic class in the future.

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Originally Posted by Len

I should have been more specific; how many of those characters can you say fall into any of the magic jobs we have available to us? (Black Mage, White Mage, Summoner, Scholar, Astrologian)

None of them. It would benefit class identity if we had characters in the story that represented these jobs in the same vein as a Yugiri, Estinien, Thancred, and now the new characters being added in Stormblood.

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Y'shtola is a WHM
Alphie is an Arcanist/SMN
Papalymo was a BLM and a WHM
Urianger is an Arcanist/SMN

Krile is the only one in my list besides Minfillia that isn't explicitly determined, though her clothing is that of a WHM from FF5.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

AST is kind of already a time mage.

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Hildibrand quest told me "No" to this false truth.
It's explained very well what is a Time Mage, and it's clearly not Astromancien.
Time Mage is a real job in the Old Sharlayan like it is with Astromancien.