White eyes, no eye. Noone is bothered? (spoilers)

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You know, guys, I really wonder why noone of heroes asked about Yashtola's and Thrancred's eyes.

Yashtola appeared with the white eyes, Thrancred without an eye, but noone of the heroes asked "hey, what happened, why your eye(s) have changed?"Only Matoya asked Yashtola

I really wonder why the heroes were made so stupid and careless. They really dont see anything?

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Ok, from one of the next quests. Two eyes). But still, I dont remember any information about what happened with the Thancred's eye when he appeared. Noone of the heroes asked. It is weird
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Might want to change those names to the correct spelling people in this forum will get triggered just like when people do Au'Ra.

Well we know what happened to Y'shtola and she hasn't told us either. To all appearance it seems that she can see fine. Yeah her eyes seemed different but you expect some changes after what she went through. As for Thancred I think he mentions his eye is alright but I cant remember details. Regardless, since he has spent the last few months fighting beasts in the forelands if something had happened to his eye we could probably guess. The fact he cant channel Aether properly anymore is probably a bigger deal to him.

If I'm not mistaken, there is a point when Matoya tells Y'shtola that she knows what is going on with her eyes. She also says something to Thancred as well. Also doesn't Krile mention something as well?

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Well we know what happened to Y'shtola and she hasn't told us either. To all appearance it seems that she can see fine. Yeah her eyes seemed different but you expect some changes after what she went through. As for Thancred I think he mentions his eye is alright but I cant remember details. Regardless, since he has spent the last few months fighting beasts in the forelands if something had happened to his eye we could probably guess. The fact he cant channel Aether properly anymore is probably a bigger deal to him.

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Ok, many things could happen, but still, why noone of the heroes asked? It is simple to ask while the first meting, no? SE likes to put attention on the minor things and details, but to pass such a simple thing like "friend, what had happened to you, you have changed"- it is really odd to me

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Originally Posted by Aamalthea

If I'm not mistaken, there is a point when Matoya tells Y'shtola that she knows what is going on with her eyes. She also says something to Thancred as well. Also doesn't Krile mention something as well?

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Yes, but why noone of the heroes asked about her eyes, when she was returned from the life stream? Only the old woman noticed the white eyes? I dont believe in such blindness of the heroes

I am pretty sure they asked how she was feeling and she said she was fine. I think for the most part people took her word for it. They noticed the white eyes but I suspect since it appeared she could see fine, or perhaps better since she seemed to have a heightened sensitivity to Aether, it was taken as a cosmetic change. I certainly assumed it was just a cosmetic change until Matoya mentioned it.

As I said before, we knew already what happened to her. We could have said 'your eyes are white, are you sure you feel ok?' to which she probably would have responded 'I'm fine'. Let's remember Y'shtola actively hid her blindness from the rest. Thancred is pretty much the same. He has kept the limitations he now suffers from his allies as well.

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Originally Posted by Xyno

Ok, many things could happen, but still, why noone of the heroes asked?

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Because the players aren't given a dialog choice in which to ask? ^_^

Also could be considered rude. Hey, I see that you appear to be disabled in X way, I'm going to pretend to not see it so as not to draw attention to it. XD

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Originally Posted by Belhi

I am pretty sure they asked how she was feeling and she said she was fine. I think for the most part people took her word for it. They noticed the white eyes but I suspect since it appeared she could see fine, or perhaps better since she seemed to have a heightened sensitivity to Aether, it was taken as a cosmetic change. I certainly assumed it was just a cosmetic change until Matoya mentioned it.

As I said before, we knew already what happened to her. We could have said 'your eyes are white, are you sure you feel ok?' to which she probably would have responded 'I'm fine'. Let's remember Y'shtola actively hid her blindness from the rest. Thancred is pretty much the same. He has kept the limitations he now suffers from his allies as well.

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Nope, I still dont understand. For example, would you ask your lost friend "what happened to your eye", when you find him? Im sure you will. Why our heroes didnt ask? Still I wonder

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Originally Posted by Xyno

Nope, I still dont understand. For example, would you ask your lost friend "what happened to your eye", when you find him? Im sure you will. Why our heroes didnt ask? Still I wonder

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With Thancred? As I said, I think that does actually come up at some point. Unfortunately its impossible for me to rerun those quests to check but I distinctly remember it being mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

With Thancred? As I said, I think that does actually come up at some point. Unfortunately its impossible for me to rerun those quests to check but I distinctly remember it being mentioned.

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Nope. Right now I move on the story line and the appearance of Tharcred was some quests ago, I try to read carefully. Noone asked about his eye and he didnt tell also. But! When Thancred was telling about his appearance in the Sohm Al, some pictures appeared and Thancred was with two eyes. It means, that he has lost his eye after the escape from the castle
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I'd you talk to everyone between quests? There is a lot of details that you only pick up if you talk to everyone. It wasn't in one of the main spoken parts.

As I said, I am pretty sure I remember him saying his other eye is ok, he just felt this made him look more dashing. Of course he too could be lying or I could be remembering falsely. Its hard to check details like that when you cant rerun the quest.

It's easily overlooked, but

in that same quest Thancred also explains that he did not actually loose his eye at all when he materialized in the Dravanian Forelands after his trip through the Lifestream, merely injure it, hence he took to wearing a scarf over his injury while it healed. It's long since healed and he has retained his eyesight in both eyes, but he still wears the scarf over his eye because.. this is Thancred we're talking about, being Mr Ladies Man and finding it makes him look roguish and dangerous and thus appealing to the ladies... ;)

The important thing is though that Thancred's eyesight is fine, it was his aether that was altered permanently, meaning he will no longer be able to cast magic at all or even teleport, he is effectively like a Garlean who are also incapable of manipulating their bodies' aether and thus cannot cast magic or teleport.

Ok, from one of the next quests. Two eyes). But still, I dont remember any information about what happened with the Thancred's eye when he appeared
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Well, that's funny. I played from when Y'Shtola is rescued until Azys Lla last night. What bothers me is that no one besides Tataru and Shtola's sister were emotional about her being resuced. I think Alphy may have had some reaction, but eh. Then we get to take her to Ishgard and Cid is just "good that you're back and brought a gifts, but let's leave the relief for a later time when we're not chasing the bad guys". I get that they're in a rush, but couldn't he at least have shown more emotion or something? Or have they never been too close? If that's the case, then is only Tataru close to every Scion, considering she was around them all the bloody time?

I'm going to just also ask, this is kind of a Japanese thing isn't it? I'm under the impression that they just don't interact the same way we would what you're missing is what a "Westerner" would do.

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Originally Posted by caelumsixsmith

Well, that's funny...

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I agree. Im sure, that everyone, first of all, must ask a lot of questions about what happened in the palace, about how Yashtola casted her spell and most of all- what was there, in the Lifestream! But no. They just sad "ok, you are with us again", like she was not in the other dimension (Lifestream), but went to the shop to buy some food and returned

I dont understand such behavior of the heroes in the main story line, it is really strange

There is also this thing called tact and it is widely used among polite people. If somebody has a deformity or an injury of some sort, it is tactless to ask them about it unless you have a close relationship with that person. If they want to tell anyone about it, they will without being asked. If they do not want to talk about it, asking them about it is not going to net a substantial response anyway.

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Originally Posted by Bonkleberry

There is also this thing called tact and it is widely used among polite people. If somebody has a deformity or an injury of some sort, it is tactless to ask them about it unless you have a close relationship with that person. If they want to tell anyone about it, they will without being asked. If they do not want to talk about it, asking them about it is not going to net a substantial response anyway.

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This is what I was eluding to. You just wouldn't walk up to some person you've worked on a project with and ask "yo why your eyeball screwy now". This especially in Japanese society of which this is a JP game. Now I'm going to run away before I'm ridiculed for mentioning Japanese society.

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Originally Posted by Bonkleberry

There is also this thing called tact

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Do you really think, that it is not polite to ask what was there, in the Lifestream, from where noone of the living came back? You really think so? It is not a question about "what color are your trousers", you know. It is a real question of care and real interest of a person, if this person is really darling to you

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If the person in not interesting to you, so, you just dont care what happened with him (her).

That is why I make a conclusion, that SCions are not the dear friends, but just some mates, which just in need of each other to achieve some common goals. No more. Like mercenaries

There's a point in the story where Y'shtola very plainly states what the situation with her eyes is about. IIRC, they basically say "we didnt want to pry" when she brings it ip. Sounds like you either haven't reached that part yet, or missed it. I think it might be in the Alexander line of quests when they're talking about the aether around he primal? I can't quite recall. I'm pretty sure it's in a cut scene and not random dialog when talking to people who don't advance the quest. (I highly recommend doing this, since they often have extra information to add.)

His eye got injured fighting a bear which explains the eyepatch. When you talk to him in Ishgard after (or before?) saving the hostages from Halonic clergymen, he says his eyes are fine and is only keeping the eyepatch since the ladies seem to like it. Not sure what it says in other languages though.

Although we do find out about Y'shtola's blindness from her sister, I think.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

There's a point in the story where Y'shtola very plainly states what the situation with her eyes is about. IIRC, they basically say "we didnt want to pry" when she brings it ip. Sounds like you either haven't reached that part yet, or missed it. I think it might be in the Alexander line of quests when they're talking about the aether around he primal? I can't quite recall. I'm pretty sure it's in a cut scene and not random dialog when talking to people who don't advance the quest. (I highly recommend doing this, since they often have extra information to add.)

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So you want to say, that they will notice here strange eyes only in the Alex story? Strange...

Alot of things are weird in this game when it comes to the story:

- Why cant my character who is a Monk not beat some weak thug, when they are unarmed.
- Even if you level up other classes, while some characters will call you with a titel that fits those Jobs, the WoL himself/herself will forget everything that they learned from the other guilds when playing as certain Job.
- Esuna and Raise spells is something that our WoL is unaware off during the Main Story Questline.

There are probably more /facepalm moments, but I wish SE paid attention to these things. Both Scions eyes are explained, one is if you talk with him and the other is told via the Main Story Quest.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Alot of things are weird in this game when it comes to the story:

- Why cant my character who is a Monk not beat some weak thug, when they are unarmed.
- Even if you level up other classes, while some characters will call you with a titel that fits those Jobs, the WoL himself/herself will forget everything that they learned from the other guilds when playing as certain Job.
- Esuna and Raise spells is something that our WoL is unaware off during the Main Story Questline.

There are probably more /facepalm moments, but I wish SE paid attention to these things. Both Scions eyes are explained, one is if you talk with him and the other is told via the Main Story Quest.

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And if you don't have those spells? What then?

Is anyone else really bothered by the fact than Thancred kept his 18 year old appearance glamored for decades? Only now that he can't use magic do we see his true age and older appearance.

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Originally Posted by Xyno

I agree. Im sure, that everyone, first of all, must ask a lot of questions about what happened in the palace, about how Yashtola casted her spell and most of all- what was there, in the Lifestream! But no. They just sad "ok, you are with us again", like she was not in the other dimension (Lifestream), but went to the shop to buy some food and returned

I dont understand such behavior of the heroes in the main story line, it is really strange

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The lifestream is pure Aetheric energy. Its not another dimension. She was literally in the form of disembodied Aetheric energy. We know this. Its a part of what happens every time you teleport. What happened with her is she got stuck because she teleported without a 'anchored' destination. Given time her energy form would eventually just dissolve into the Aetherial Sea.

We know what happened to her and frankly she probably has no memories of being in that form.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Alot of things are weird in this game when it comes to the story:

- Why cant my character who is a Monk not beat some weak thug, when they are unarmed.
- Even if you level up other classes, while some characters will call you with a titel that fits those Jobs, the WoL himself/herself will forget everything that they learned from the other guilds when playing as certain Job.
- Esuna and Raise spells is something that our WoL is unaware off during the Main Story Questline.

There are probably more /facepalm moments, but I wish SE paid attention to these things. Both Scions eyes are explained, one is if you talk with him and the other is told via the Main Story Quest.

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Part of this is simply limitations on how many variation they can take into account and make in the story. If they need someone to die generally they cant allow the WoL to save them. Mechanically its not completely unanswerable. For example there are some things you cant Esuna.

Likewise there are times you character could beat a week thug but doing so would make matters worse. I am assuming your refering to 2.55. While you could have probably punched you way out, then what? The fact your resisting arrest is just making you look more guilty. Its not like any of the Syndicate have visibly broken any laws. There are times that resorting to fighting would only make the situation worse. Same reason you cant just burn off Lolorito's face the next time you meet.

The lifestream..... enough said. It was explained to us in the story, but some people dont read.

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Originally Posted by Xyno

Ok, many things could happen, but still, why noone of the heroes asked? It is simple to ask while the first meting, no? SE likes to put attention on the minor things and details, but to pass such a simple thing like "friend, what had happened to you, you have changed"- it is really odd to me


Yes, but why noone of the heroes asked about her eyes, when she was returned from the life stream? Only the old woman noticed the white eyes? I dont believe in such blindness of the heroes

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At the time this happened, you're trying to outrace Thordan to Azys Lla and you're not really going to pressure someone into spilling the truth on something she herself insists is fine. Matoya tells us, the player, what's up with Y'shtola's eyes; having spent time in the Lifestream, it has granted her the ability to see aether as well as having lost her actual sight. This ability also comes at the cost of a shortened lifespan. Still, Y'shtola has told the Warrior of Light and her other fellow Scions that she is alright, even if that is not the truth. We also already know what happened and that's why we go to Gridania to seek the Seedseer's help to bring her back in the first place. This being she used a forbidden teleportation spell that was outlawed because of how dangerous it was as many had lost their lives, before, using it. Like they, she also became trapped in the Lifestream, but unlike others, she had companions with the connections to recall them back within a time-frame that meant she could even be saved.

Also, have you seen a naturally blind person's eyes? They tend to be milky, much like Y'shtola's eyes now. It's an aesthetic to demonstrate that she is actually blind now, yet so many can't seem to recall this "small" detail.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

- Esuna and Raise spells is something that our WoL is unaware off during the Main Story Questline.

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This is why I wish sometimes the games would differentiate between death and knocked out. Oh wait, they do. Players just don't, for some reason. You can't raise the dead without it being necromancy and as we've seen, it's not the same as what we do. What you are doing is a glorified version of using smelling salts on someone asleep. The alchemist quests even "succeed" in reviving someone from the dead as they were prior to death - extremely temporarily, until they vanished. Remember, when someone dies, their aether is moved to the Lifestream, but voidsent are continuously looking for ways into our realm. Why do you think the skeletons and raised dead are always referred to as voidsent? You know, like in Mhach after that one crew of pirates, freshly slain? They aren't human anymore - they're possessed by voidsent and have actually become them (THM quests actually show us this to an extent, though possession on a living person rather than a dead husk).

I'm pretty sure they nobody asked about her eyes, because she was exposed for a long time to a river of Lifestream, and as mentioned in some of the dialogue during Y'shtola's return, it can have dangerous results to the body and even change it. And Thankcred also was exposed, but for a short period, but enough for him to lose the ability to use Aethereal teleportation, which may resulted in his eye change.

I don't think anything is wrong with Thancred's eye, probably just an aesthetic thing.

As for Y'shtola, Matoya said that she'd lost her sight from being in the Lifestream that long and was now using some sort of technique to sense the aether around her to "see", which in turn is slowly shaving away some of her lifespan. If I recall correctly, she said she didn't want to mention that to the others, I can't remember exactly what she said though.

Thancred is my least favorite Scion, now that he's gone full chuuni and wears an eyepatch he doesn't need. Hopefully Stormblood sees him into a less stupid outfit (and a more upbeat personality).

Do you even know why Thancred is sour to begin with?

I don't care. These bastards have little bearing on me anymore. If they ever decide I am worthy of their acknowledgement and give me the necessary equipment I need to do their grunt work and a symbol I am part of their group , *cough* *cough* goggles *cough*. Then maybe I would care about their dumb problems.

I wonder why our "heroes" didnt make any attempts to find Yda and Papalimo. Noone cares at all? They are not very important parts of the Scions? Funny

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Originally Posted by Xyno

I wonder why our "heroes" didnt make any attempts to find Yda and Papalimo. Noone cares at all? They are not very important parts of the Scions? Funny

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They haven't a clue how to find them.

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Originally Posted by Xyno

I wonder why our "heroes" didnt make any attempts to find Yda and Papalimo. Noone cares at all? They are not very important parts of the Scions? Funny

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They did. Roel, most of the former friendly crystal braves, and Yugiri's lot were all looking for them. They knew they had made contact with the Ala Mhigan resistance who smuggled them out of the city but couldn't find out anything else because the Ala Mhigan resistance wasn't saying anything.

I am half wondering if your trolling now.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

They did. Roel, most of the former friendly crystal braves, and Yugiri's lot were all looking for them. They knew they had made contact with the Ala Mhigan resistance who smuggled them out of the city but couldn't find out anything else because the Ala Mhigan resistance wasn't saying anything.

I am half wondering if your trolling now.

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But if they were searching, why no information during the quests? In the end our heroes just find Yda and Papalimo accidentally. What for was all this searching by Crystal Braves and domanians, if they were fully useless, not a piece of information from them?

Not troling, but I see the huge fails in the story line

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Originally Posted by Xyno

But if they were searching, why no information during the quests? In the end our heroes just find Yda and Papalimo accidentally. What for was all this searching by Crystal Braves and domanians, if they were fully useless, not a piece of information from them?

Not troling, but I see the huge fails in the story line

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As I said, the Ala Mhigan's were stonewalling them. The resistance is pretty damn good at hiding its people. It has to deal with Garlean spies. For the Scions trying to track them without risking antagonising the resistance it would be very difficult. We knew they were with the resistance, We knew that they were probably safe since they had allies in the resistance. Frankly since we went public that charges had been dropped most of our people probably expected them to come back on their own.

The Scions were very proactive in trying to track down their friends and allies. We didn't drop everything to persue it because we couldn't really do much to help and we had a lot to do in Ishgard, both for the stability of the nation and to pay back the people who had taken us in.