Square enix US Tweet: two jobs expansion? If Blue Mage, what role?

After watching Mr Happy's YouTube video regarding the job, he made an interesting comment on a tweet that was removed from the Square Enix Na twitter: https://imgur.com/gallery/AO9jO so apparently they removed it quickly but if the second job will be a blue mage, how will this affect the state of the game? And how could blue mage fit the role of a tank?
Link of Mr Happy's video that might bring interesting points: https://youtu.be/5yet1b5JNmE

Blue mage would be dps

It can only dps

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Originally Posted by Derio

Blue mage would be dps

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Technically BLU can be anything since it just steals abilities from monsters. Can easily make that a DPS, tank, or healer.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Technically BLU can be anything since it just steals abilities from monsters. Can easily make that a DPS, tank, or healer.

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Except that would be one hell of a balancing problem to juggle and you'd need to have gear for all three roles. Blue Mage was mostly DPS in the series with a handful of support spells.

Sorry but Yoshida's continued comments on Blue Mage, especially yesterday during the JP Naoki's Room session, implies BLU will not be coming for Stormblood. He reiterated his old ideas of Blue Mage being a solo content type of job unable to do group content, where their gameplay would involve traveling the realm and collecting monster abilities as a "Professor of Monsters". Considering he bothered to talk about it again so close the Frankfurt fanfest heavily implies it's not going to be coming in 4.0.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Except that would be one hell of a balancing problem to juggle and you'd need to have gear for all three roles.

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"Or", not "and". As in they could make it any of those roles. This is especially easy since all 3 roles have access to DPS abilities so you'd still get a bunch offensive stuff, just the kit would be tooled around defensive abilities or healing abilities, as opposed to just pure offense. BLU's a weird beast though so it's all kinda tricky especially with the limitations on job design XIV has, so who knows if we'll even get BLU.

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Sorry but Yoshida's continued comments on Blue Mage, especially yesterday during the JP Naoki's Room session, implies BLU will not be coming for Stormblood. He reiterated his old ideas of Blue Mage being a solo content type of job unable to do group content, where their gameplay would involve traveling the realm and collecting monster abilities as a "Professor of Monsters". Considering he bothered to talk about it again so close the Frankfurt fanfest heavily implies it's not going to be coming in 4.0.

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Ah okay just something I caught from the video, but the tweet did made me wonder if it will affect the state of the game if it's only two jobs for the expansion. I do think either healers or tanks will be frustrated about it but it will be Armageddon if the last role will be a dps lol.

Maybe the last role will be a new Disciple of the Land. Blue Mage, monster analyst :p

You don't have to think the next class will be tank or heals. Two DPS classes are fine. I would like Chemist to come out soon however, maybe a new healer and tank might come out mid expansion.

Not sur BLU could work on a MMO considering they xould either give you the abilities with quests (removing the fun par of BLU) or they would be a lot of elitism around that class and in a casual friendly game.....don't see this happen.

Plus, adding 2 DPS does not seem to be a good move for duty queue :/

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Originally Posted by Shippuu

Sorry but Yoshida's continued comments on Blue Mage, especially yesterday during the JP Naoki's Room session, implies BLU will not be coming for Stormblood. He reiterated his old ideas of Blue Mage being a solo content type of job unable to do group content, where their gameplay would involve traveling the realm and collecting monster abilities as a "Professor of Monsters". Considering he bothered to talk about it again so close the Frankfurt fanfest heavily implies it's not going to be coming in 4.0.

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Blue mage could learn different skills that look visually different but do the same thing (same potency/etc).
I would say it has to be tank.

Didn't BLU suck in 11? I never played it but from what I heard having friends being forced to help you grind mobs for hours on end doesn't seem appealing for this game at all.

FFXIV and XI are very different
Wasn't dark knight a dps there?

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

FFXIV and XI are very different
Wasn't dark knight a dps there?

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I really can't say since I never played 11. Was just asking if anyone who played 11 had some bad experiences with the class? the only thing that I'm concerned about is how if it does get added doesn't seem like itll do well since it can be either broken or weak upon release.

Yeah I know, but FFXI has nothing to do with how good a class will be, I was stating that but I had to repeat it again.

I wouldn't mind seeing Blue Mage added, but I do think I'd prefer it as a DPS. It could work as a tank, I suppose. But I still can't help but feel that Dancer and Samurai are our last two classes for Stormblood.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

I wouldn't mind seeing Blue Mage added, but I do think I'd prefer it as a DPS. It could work as a tank, I suppose. But I still can't help but feel that Dancer and Samurai are our last two classes for Stormblood.

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Oh how I hope so. The tweet scares me more so cus is it really only 2 and they wern't suppose to say anything or did they delete because it's not true?

Gonna go ahead and debunk the tweet...well anyway it contradicts this -

https://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/...f=search_posts

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Yoshida almost slipped through the amount of jobs 4.0 will have (It's related to the Moonfaire Faire)

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There are three of them...so, I'd say three jobs.

I like the idea of Blue Mage as a tank. It never really crossed my mind until I read this thread. Spiderman=Blue Mage makes sense to me as well. I already had some ideas of Blue Mage as an off-healer to compete with SCH, since dealing damage and healing/support was always the Blue Mage niche in other Final Fantasy games. I guess we shall see. Thinking about this all more, the Aero series and Stoneskin were originally Blue Mage spells; maybe a branch off job from Conjurer?

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Gonna go ahead and debunk the tweet...well anyway it contradicts this -

https://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/...f=search_posts

There are three of them...so, I'd say three jobs.

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To be fair, its not the first time Yoshida said one thing and we found out that he means something else. I would not be suprised if they release 2 DPS, lets not forget, the new jobs (for now) will start at level 50, so the Duty Finder will not suffer from long queues, compared to if the new jobs were going to start at level 1 or 30.

I think we will have 2, but like many, I hope we get 3 classes, Red Mage, Dancer and Blue Mage/Samurai.

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Originally Posted by Empress

Didn't BLU suck in 11? I never played it but from what I heard having friends being forced to help you grind mobs for hours on end doesn't seem appealing for this game at all.

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BLU started out strong but it was eclipsed by the bandwagon DPS, which was SAM for the longest time. It was great for low man stuff like Limbus and Nyzul Isle 1.0. BLU took much more work (gear, lets be real) to get most out of the class. Spell grinding could get monotonous when you're 0/100 on an ability from an enemy that spawns every few RL hours. Job traits were determined by the spells you set, but a BLU/DNC made for great soloing or low man when Adoulin came out. Don't expect to do endgame with it, XI had a "staple" problem when only certain jobs with R/E/M were "allowed" for PUGs. You might have a cool LS that let you go if you prove yourself, but most of the time you had to go as a "mandatory" job.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Gonna go ahead and debunk the tweet...well anyway it contradicts this -

https://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/...f=search_posts





There are three of them...so, I'd say three jobs.

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I want to agree but things can happen and change just like with the whole Samurai being replaced with Dark Knight. Granted knowing that, would mean they must have a fair amount of work on SAM right? If the only issue was just cus they didn't want two Eastern themed jobs.

Well, Dancer is a new job, is it not? Is not news anymore, but it's new to FFXIV regardless. So the moment I read that, I thought they were referring to DNC. Who knows why they removed the tweet?

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Originally Posted by caelumsixsmith

Well, Dancer is a new job, is it not? Is not news anymore, but it's new to FFXIV regardless. So the moment I read that, I thought they were referring to DNC. Who knows why they removed the tweet?

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There has been no confirmation of Dancer, anywhere. The whole Dancer idea was actually a competitor to Red Mage and the "Scarlet Witch" t-shirt tomgo alone with the girl in red in the trailer. Now we know that Scarlet Witch meant Red Mage and was not a reference to the girl.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

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It was also said three during the live stream. Well, another dev from a different game company was there and it went like this

"so I hear there will be three jobs coming! Yoshida "Eh!!? "

It was taken from here - https://reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/...2_naokis_room/

Also that is true where he says one thing and another happens but they did specify jobs take one year to make. I would assume by 2016 Aug that if there was indeed three jobs they would be solid by then, with them working on the last one from there. Whoever runs SE twitter could have put that out wrong...idk, seems weird for yoshida and such to bring it up twice with he number three but who knows...

Furthermore if it was true and a really bad spoiler they'd most likely delete this thread and any evidence of it like with what happened with the SMN leak when someone caught it on their website. Not the art, I am talking about a time when someone found a placeholder page for summoner way before it was announced.

SE nuked those threads real fast. But yet they leave this up lol.

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Originally Posted by Tracewood

BLU started out strong but it was eclipsed by the bandwagon DPS, which was SAM for the longest time. It was great for low man stuff like Limbus and Nyzul Isle 1.0. BLU took much more work (gear, lets be real) to get most out of the class. Spell grinding could get monotonous when you're 0/100 on an ability from an enemy that spawns every few RL hours. Job traits were determined by the spells you set, but a BLU/DNC made for great soloing or low man when Adoulin came out. Don't expect to do endgame with it, XI had a "staple" problem when only certain jobs with R/E/M were "allowed" for PUGs. You might have a cool LS that let you go if you prove yourself, but most of the time you had to go as a "mandatory" job.

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Esh that sounded horrible i feel bad for that class if it does come here I hope Square will rework it so it doesn't happen again. Although its hard to balance Monster Abilities if they weren't that great to begin with...

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Originally Posted by Empress

Esh that sounded horrible i feel bad for that class if it does come here I hope Square will rework it so it doesn't happen again. Although its hard to balance Monster Abilities if they weren't that great to begin with...

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SE seems to have learned a good bit from FFXI and the mistakes and successes it had. I doubt they'll implement BLU in a manner in which it wouldn't be able to function competitively with other classes/jobs in terms of gameplay. Its just a matter of finding its role out of the three possible, and which expansion to include it in.

As an additional thought, perhaps it would be linked to the Ananta? Their little lore snippet made it clear they're quite gifted when it comes to magic and gemcraft. Maybe Blue Mages learned from the Ananta.

If this game has 3 times the budget as 3.x
3.x
1 race
3 jobs.
Flying

What all are we getting 2 jobs.
4.x
2 jobs
Swimming
Storage.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

If this game has 3 times the budget as 3.x
3.x
1 race
3 jobs.
Flying

What all are we getting 2 jobs.
4.x
2 jobs
Swimming
Storage.

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Could be they'll add more jobs as the expansion goes on too. Like Ninja/Summoner.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

If this game has 3 times the budget as 3.x
3.x
1 race
3 jobs.
Flying

What all are we getting 2 jobs.
4.x
2 jobs
Swimming
Storage.

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Maybe well get the other(s) job(s) later ? I know they said they would not do it again (ninja) but they might need time to balance the jobs

Blue mage won't be added stop thinking it. On the remembering 2015 Yoshida only talked about Red Mage and Samurai.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

If this game has 3 times the budget as 3.x
3.x
1 race
3 jobs.
Flying

What all are we getting 2 jobs.
4.x
2 jobs
Swimming
Storage.

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Storage cost a lot and worth at least more than a job and a race. Also, Jobs are not only about cost, but about time to make. They said they won't do 2 jobs at the same time anymore because it's too complicated doing 3 jobs for an expansion, with all they have to do aside. Having 3 times the budget, doesn't mean they can work 3 times more, it means they can pay for more people or more expensive technology for higher quality. Having more people will help doing more thing, but not multiplying the things. Especially since they can't say like "We're hiring all those people thanks to the budget", then if the budget decline later "We fire them all".
People here think only about the near future. When you're managing a game, you're thinking 1-2 years or more in the future, with all the spent and schedules.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

If this game has 3 times the budget as 3.x
3.x
1 race
3 jobs.
Flying

What all are we getting 2 jobs.
4.x
2 jobs
Swimming
Storage.

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It does have a much much larger budget.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/

35m + is a lot.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Blue mage won't be added stop thinking it. On the remembering 2015 Yoshida only talked about Red Mage and Samurai.

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Wasnt there also an NPC arguing over Red and Blue too though?

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Originally Posted by AlphaFox

Wasnt there also an NPC arguing over Red and Blue too though?

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That was an error from the english team. This dialogue was wrong and invented by the english team. The japanese one didn't have it, neither the Deutsch and French who directly translated from japanese. It is already known that the english translators are having some liberties on their translation, and they probably joke on the blue because they didn't took Yoshida's dialogue seriously when reading it.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Especially since they can't say like "We're hiring all those people thanks to the budget", then if the budget decline later "We fire them all".

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Every companies do it, why not SE ? ^^"

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Originally Posted by Iromi

It does have a much much larger budget.

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I searched through several of those documents for that 35m number but none of the ones I checked seemed to have it, would you mind saying which document is the source for this claim or are you just reposting a link and a claim without verifying it?

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Originally Posted by Vexander

SE seems to have learned a good bit from FFXI and the mistakes and successes it had. I doubt they'll implement BLU in a manner in which it wouldn't be able to function competitively with other classes/jobs in terms of gameplay. Its just a matter of finding its role out of the three possible, and which expansion to include it in.

As an additional thought, perhaps it would be linked to the Ananta? Their little lore snippet made it clear they're quite gifted when it comes to magic and gemcraft. Maybe Blue Mages learned from the Ananta.

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Gemcraft? wouldnt it be Rune Fencer mixed with Geomancer or BLU? be a hybrid class like AST?