Palace of the Dead and high level abilities

Hello, everyone! I've been seeing a weird trend of people at deeper PotD levels and not actually using any of the high level abilities they get along the way. I get that there are a lot of them and you get them very quickly, but shouldn't you at least read all of your tooltips between sets of floors? Why wouldn't you at least TRY to use the abilities past level 20 when you're fighting the last boss?

They may be playing classes(Gladiator, Lancer, Archer, etc) and not jobs(Paladin, Lancer, Bard).

Some people just aren't willing to do something as simple as reading tooltips.

With the speed runs I get, it is hard to read and make sense of all the tool-tips or know when to use things. I only knew half of what my BLM stuff did/should be used for as my friend mains it and was coaching me with a tl;dr version to get me up to speed.

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Originally Posted by Frowny

With the speed runs I get, it is hard to read and make sense of all the tool-tips or know when to use things. I only knew half of what my BLM stuff did/should be used for as my friend mains it and was coaching me with a tl;dr version to get me up to speed.

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Pretty much this. When I did a few runs on my WAR (this was back when 1-50 was current content, and I had literally just unlocked WAR, so I was, in-game, level 30 or so), people wanted to blaze through it, that I was asking my FC mates to teach me how to 60 WAR on the fly basically. Because people don't really want to wait. And, nowadays, people don't even want to bother to gather all the chests (gold, silver, or bronze), or check all the rooms.

That was also when I decided that, if I wanted to learn to play a job properly, I would just stick to old-fashioned leveling (i.e., leveling dungeons).

This is why I go alone into 51-60 and setup my skills on hotbar, reading all the tooltips and practice abit. when I level a new class.

The thing is, from my experience, those players are in need to spend time setting the skills to their hotbar while the active people feel like that person is wasting time if they appear idle. One time, a DRK mentioned in chat to excuse his delay as he try to set skills little by little. The other two players began to get annoyed because so much time had passed and we weren't even half way done.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Pretty much this. When I did a few runs on my WAR (this was back when 1-50 was current content, and I had literally just unlocked WAR, so I was, in-game, level 30 or so), people wanted to blaze through it, that I was asking my FC mates to teach me how to 60 WAR on the fly basically. Because people don't really want to wait. And, nowadays, people don't even want to bother to gather all the chests (gold, silver, or bronze), or check all the rooms.

That was also when I decided that, if I wanted to learn to play a job properly, I would just stick to old-fashioned leveling (i.e., leveling dungeons).

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This is me. The sad part is, PotD pops faster than DF'ing the current dungeon or Leveling Roulette.

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Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3

This is why I go alone into 51-60 and setup my skills on hotbar, reading all the tooltips and practice abit. when I level a new class.

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I never thought of this. Thanks!

Like someone said, go in solo and play with your skills

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Originally Posted by alimdia

Like someone said, go in solo and play with your skills

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I also find just setting up my hotbar and pressing the buttons, even if they won't work yet, helps develop good muscle memory.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I also find just setting up my hotbar and pressing the buttons, even if they won't work yet, helps develop good muscle memory.

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You can't put buttons on your bar for abilities above your level. The interface won't let you drag abilities from the Actions window unless you've learned them, and the /hotbar and /chotbar commands will ignore any ability you don't have.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

You can't put buttons on your bar for abilities above your level. The interface won't let you drag abilities from the Actions window unless you've learned them, and the /hotbar and /chotbar commands will ignore any ability you don't have.

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Pretty sure this is in context of PotD, in which case, you're already level 60 while in there and can place those abilities on your bar. leaving Palace doesn't wipe your hotbars.

What I think what theyre saying is, if you're only say.. 40, but had your hotbars set from PotD, then simply "shadowboxing" would help with muscle memory. kinda like hitting a training dummy, but... without the dummy. I personally don't see it helping all that much since you don't get much feedback, and you wont actually see a cooldown, though. So maybe I'm off base in my assumption.

It does help a bit, granted this was when I was leveling Bard from 51-60 and ran POTD once, while I couldn't use them just having the skills there in a set spot helps a lot in how to move my keybinds around. Nothing worse than getting used to one set then a new skill or combo gets added in that you have to readjust. I know I did that quite a bit as Ninja

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

This is me. The sad part is, PotD pops faster than DF'ing the current dungeon or Leveling Roulette.

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Lol, tell me about it. Leveling MCH, and I usually spend 20-30 minutes in a queue if I don't tag along with a friend who goes in on tank or heals.


I think it's important for everyone to consider that everyone learns differently. Some people can learn on-the-fly in a fast-paced leveling setting like PotD, and others need more time to develop the muscle memory associated with combos, or more time to read the tooltips. Some people can read the tooltips all day long, but may need to actually play around with the skills in a dungeon setting to see what they do and get used to them. Everyone learns differently, and I don't think there's a "right or wrong way" when it comes to "learning outside of PotD" or "learning inside PotD."

Myself, I learn better the old-fashioned way of leveling, and progressing through leveling dungeons to develop muscle memory with my skills, and practice different rotations. But, that's me.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Lol, tell me about it. Leveling MCH, and I usually spend 20-30 minutes in a queue if I don't tag along with a friend who goes in on tank or heals.

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The issue is that PotD gives way too much exp. It's kind of like back in early 2.x when Fates were better than dungeons. No one ran dungeons so they bumped up the exp dungeons were giving. They need to either tone down PoTD or bump up dungeons again. They should maybe even bump up Fates too. I don't see anyone doing Fates outside Relic quests.

I love palace !! Queue is fast for DPS classes which is so awesome! Most of the time you can manage to clear unless you are really unlucky with a trap or 2.

Being able to level up alt jobs and not spend time/gil gearing them up is awesome!!

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

One time, a DRK mentioned in chat to excuse his delay as he try to set skills little by little. The other two players began to get annoyed because so much time had passed and we weren't even half way done.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

And, nowadays, people don't even want to bother to gather all the chests (gold, silver, or bronze), or check all the rooms.

That was also when I decided that, if I wanted to learn to play a job properly, I would just stick to old-fashioned leveling (i.e., leveling dungeons).

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I don't mind speed runs (as I too prefer dungeons to learn my class, so I hop in on my main) but people need to realize with how fast you level you can't expect competence. I'll point things out now and then, but I understand you're drinking from a firehose in PoTD.

These two posts touch on a similar issue that answers OP's question though: people are rushed so they really CAN'T read the tooltips to get a decent idea.