new arrows concept ?

how about ARC/BRD arrows become Magic Arrow consume 1mp/shot (dmg depend on wep and dmg is magic physical dmg) and the items craft from ALC will add elemental dmg as Fire, Ice, Wind etc when equip them ?


Benefit:

new concept
no need to refill arrows or worry about it
Dmg inrease by elemental


edit: items craft from ALC is consume/shot

I'd actually prefer if they completely removed the need for arrows, most MMO's are doing this now, for several reasons.
1 A class shouldn't have to pay to output damage.
2 Free's up inventory space.

What with skills scaling to level now it makes sense that arrows would be unlimited and scale in a similar fashion.

I'm sure many people will turn their nose up at this suggestion, but thought I'd mention it regardless.

I do agree that elemental shot would be a cool addition to the class/job.

yes, I expect many will against this and drop this thread but I speak out my mind regardless. And my Idea is you dont need arrows but you can pay for Extra Dmg output

Let archer still use arrows
But bring more different arrows
Crit arrows, poison arrows, element arrows, sleep arrows, silence arrows, holy arrows, dark arrows, stun arrows and more ^^
And let them equip the arrows without reloading the char model everytime

Carpenters will go bankrupt if they remove arrows heh...

Yes please. Elemental arrows would be great.

I disagree with the removal of ammo, I think it is a mistake most mmos are making removing it.

But I greatly agree on adding more types of arrow. Status effect ones, Elemental ones, thing like that.

So basically flood our inventory with even more crap.

It would make more sense to have skills which added the magical effect of poison to an arrow instead of taking up more inventory space with poisoned arrows.

Why is it a mistake exactly that MMO's are removing arrows ?

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Why is it a mistake exactly that MMO's are removing arrows ?

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Because it doesn't make sense unless they make it such that we're shooting magical arrows...which the lore has so far made no mention of.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

So basically flood our inventory with even more crap.

It would make more sense to have skills which added the magical effect of poison to an arrow instead of taking up more inventory space with poisoned arrows.

Why is it a mistake exactly that MMO's are removing arrows ?

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I agree with this.

If anything, arrows should take up their own inventory space. Turn it into a series of quest, the first of which gets you a starter quiver, capable of holding X stacks of arrows. Each addition quest, expanded its capable.

Remove the arrows please. It's the main reason why don't want to further level my ARC

Well, a different compromise would be not removing arrows, but instead of having a limited number of arrows have them work like an 'accessory' of sort that alters your bow's stats. So they'd end up like an added accessory, that only work for bow-users

The main point in this thread is completely remove of arrows, the main point is not because of the arrows are annoying to have in inventory (with my idea if you want extra dmg, your inventory will pack with the items from ALC anyway, so I think most of you miss the point), but the main point is a new concept type of ARC projectiles, instead of have many various type of arrows with different effect, it ll be 1 type and you can upgrade it and for that I think Magic Arrow

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Originally Posted by normalforce

I agree with this.

If anything, arrows should take up their own inventory space. Turn it into a series of quest, the first of which gets you a starter quiver, capable of holding X stacks of arrows. Each addition quest, expanded its capable.

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I like this idea where arrows exist outside the normal inventory and then their our quests to expand the amount of stacks you can hold in the quiver. Very cool.

Like your starter quiver can hold six stacks of 999 arrows, and each quest opens up three new slots for more arrow stacks. Might be fun. I for one like how ammo exists, and removing it makes about as much since as an archer punching someone with their fists.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

but the main point is a new concept type of ARC projectiles, instead of have many various type of arrows with different effect, it ll be 1 type and you can upgrade it and for that I think Magic Arrow

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Isn't this boring?
I think different arrows with different effects for different situations is more interesting than one standard universal arrow.

I agree with the magic arrows. But i think the present need to equip arrows should also be available and not removed. Magic arrows could be a different skill or so

I'd rather see arrow quivers remain, in their own separate inventory. Carpenters already got the sh*t end of the stick as far as profit margins go and consumables are always a good way to give steady income. I prefer some realism even though it's a fantasy game.

As far as magic arrows go, I'd rather see it as a collaboration between Archers and Thaumaturges / Black Mages, while still using normal arrows. Similar to Steiner's Sword Magic in FFIX, a BLM (Vivi) would need to be in the party to perform these actions. A good example is also shown in FFXIV's opening movie (3:00 mark).

Hm, I think the best compromise would be perhaps, allow it where there are "Magic Arrows" but it's attached to the bow you are using. Basically said Magic Arrow would act as a last resort when you run out of arrows without knowing it. As it stands now you can hold up to 999 arrows in one stack so I would think the aspect of holding onto that isn't so bad and if I"m not mistaken each CRP synth can make up to 333 at a time.

But basically as mentioned the magic arrows would use MP, so it isn't something that an Archer could fall back on and use all the time it would pretty much be situational where they run out of arrows without knowing but as to still stay useful in the battle, they could expend MP in order to still fight.

In terms of how strong they are I'd say perhaps they would just take the Archer's Bow into the attack equation +1DMG. While sure your dmg would suffer once you run out of arrows at least you'll still be able to fight mid-combat if you forgot to restock.

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Originally Posted by normalforce

I agree with this.

If anything, arrows should take up their own inventory space. Turn it into a series of quest, the first of which gets you a starter quiver, capable of holding X stacks of arrows. Each addition quest, expanded its capable.

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^This is seriously a very happy medium.

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Originally Posted by Airget

Hm, I think the best compromise would be perhaps, allow it where there are "Magic Arrows" but it's attached to the bow you are using. Basically said Magic Arrow would act as a last resort when you run out of arrows without knowing it. As it stands now you can hold up to 999 arrows in one stack so I would think the aspect of holding onto that isn't so bad and if I"m not mistaken each CRP synth can make up to 333 at a time.

But basically as mentioned the magic arrows would use MP, so it isn't something that an Archer could fall back on and use all the time it would pretty much be situational where they run out of arrows without knowing but as to still stay useful in the battle, they could expend MP in order to still fight.

In terms of how strong they are I'd say perhaps they would just take the Archer's Bow into the attack equation +1DMG. While sure your dmg would suffer once you run out of arrows at least you'll still be able to fight mid-combat if you forgot to restock.

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Magic arrows would be awesome too, but that, and normalforce's idea could go hand in hand. Alc makes the magic quiver and it expends MP per shot, but make it's damage change based on INT so you'd have to invest in a set or readjust your stats. I think it is unfair to fully take arrows from carpentry though.

I think the auto attack should not expend arrows but weapon skills should.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

Magic arrows would be awesome too, but that, and normalforce's idea could go hand in hand. Alc makes the magic quiver and it expends MP per shot, but make it's damage change based on INT so you'd have to invest in a set or readjust your stats. I think it is unfair to fully take arrows from carpentry though.

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yes, the concept will also change ARC stat which is now magic but deal "Magic Physical"

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Originally Posted by Felis

Isn't this boring?
I think different arrows with different effects for different situations is more interesting than one standard universal arrow.

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it s look like you miss read my begin post. I ll say it again that the arrows will be Magic Arrows and the thing you call universal arrows and can add extra elemental dmg by consume ALC item/shot

quote myself

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

how about ARC/BRD arrows become Magic Arrow consume 1mp/shot (dmg depend on wep and dmg is magic physical dmg) and the items craft from ALC will add elemental dmg as Fire, Ice, Wind etc when equip them ?


Benefit:

new concept
no need to refill arrows or worry about it
Dmg inrease by elemental


edit: items craft from ALC is consume/shot

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So....Magic Missiles for Archer? I approve.

But really, there's a simple way to implement this.

Add another inventory tab for Ammunition and add another type of ammo, Elemental Catalyst.

Say you want to shoot fire arrows. You equip an Elemental Catalyst and you shoot Elemental arrows from said element..
If you want to deal physical ranged damage, you equip regular arrows.

If you want to equip Light arrows, clear the five temples and the princess will give them to you before the final battle against Ganon.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Let archer still use arrows
But bring more different arrows
Crit arrows, poison arrows, element arrows, sleep arrows, silence arrows, holy arrows, dark arrows, stun arrows and more ^^
And let them equip the arrows without reloading the char model everytime

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This, plus the magical arrows of OP (increased cost in MP to shot it and the magical arrows damages the target's MP/TP?)

Edit: Also, when no arrows in inventory, instead of using scavenge to gather 1 stupid arrow, we should have unlimited warped arrows (the cheapest, basic arrow). The warped arrows would be removed as purchasable good and hidden in every archer's inventory (0 slot cost, unlimited amount).
So, when archers run out of arrows, they don't look dumb, they just deal less damages but still can fight with normal effectiveness (it automatically switches to that unlimited warped arrows when attacking without arrows equipped).

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Originally Posted by tymora

Because it doesn't make sense

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You're trying to apply logic and realism to a fantasy video game, think about this for a minute.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

how about ARC/BRD arrows become Magic Arrow consume 1mp/shot (dmg depend on wep and dmg is magic physical dmg) and the items craft from ALC will add elemental dmg as Fire, Ice, Wind etc when equip them ?


Benefit:

new concept
no need to refill arrows or worry about it
Dmg inrease by elemental


edit: items craft from ALC is consume/shot

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Well that didn't take long..

Here comes the Magic Infinite Quiver. Arrows are no longer necessary to shoot a bow.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Well that didn't take long..

Here comes the Magic Infinite Quiver. Arrows are no longer necessary to shoot a bow.

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Your arrival in this topic was sooner than expected, but not unanticipated.

If you'll read the posts in this thread, people are offering suggestions BESIDES an unlimited quiver. Some are advocating it, others are suggesting elemental arrows or status effect arrows. Also, people are offering creative suggestions. Something your post does nothing of.

Reading at least a few of the posts in a topic would do you some good.


On topic:

Perhaps an ability to infuse your arrow with an element? Or a spell from another class that adds an elemental effect to your knocked arrows like the opening movie?

Heya!

I approve the idea of having a new slot in your inventory. About Magical Arrows... well, they should only be concentrated in Elemental damage, and really, really low on physical damage, like, shooting magical arrows that deal 20 damage to a L50 monster being L50 yourself, but the magical damage will be great if shooting a Wind Arrow to a Fire monster, like around 150-200 or something per shot.

Talking about the inventory slots, I would create a new sector called "Projectiles" with a limit of 50 slots. That will compensate for Throwing items, Ammo for Musketeer, Arrows for Archer. If we can work on a different name for it, we could choose to stack lures for the Fisher too.

And here goes, combined with this, an easy Ammo Switch!
Situation: Once using a normal class you'll be able to switch your Throwing item. Once you change to Archer or Musketeer you'll equip one set of Arrows in your Gear selection. Same goes for the Fisher, which you'll have to put your Lure in your purse.
You'll be able to see a little widget near your Actions Bar, or even up near the Target Filter, that shows the total of your Arrows, Projectiles, Throwing items and Lures. Depending on which class you are, you can press some keys on the Keyboard, or like I was thinking, Auto-run button + Left-Right on the gamepad to switch between them. You'll still be able to equip them into the Gear menu anyway, so this will be a purely optional function.

What about it?
See ya!

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Well that didn't take long..

Here comes the Magic Infinite Quiver. Arrows are no longer necessary to shoot a bow.

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Let's just hope SE won't listen to them and will keep the arrows.
I agree that it would be nice to have a quiver that when equipped will hold some stacks of arrows (12 stacks of one type of ammo for example) though.

I also like the idea of combining a magic attack and a weaponskill, as shown in the opening movie.
Just expand the combo system to combine attacks/magic from different classes. Basically, implement skillchains.

And status arrows? (Yes, please.)

Infinite arrows/ammo is a bad idea.
Inventory space is just an excuse. All classes have throwing weapons that, if someone would use them, would take up inventory slots too.
Want infinite magic arrows? Let's make each shot cost 20mp and see how long it will take till we're back to using normal arrows.

Why not take a multiplayer approach to all this. This is an MMO after all. Instead of having to rely on yourself, why not bring some support from the mages end. They can enhance your arrows or your weapon of choice with an element that will further increase your damage depending on the monsters weakness. Something akin to RDM or Mystic Knight.

Different arrows are definitely fun too.

Have CRP develop quiver packs to hold 9k arrows? It's more the inventory space that is a problem than having to buy arrows.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer

Why not take a multiplayer approach to all this. This is an MMO after all. Instead of having to rely on yourself, why not bring some support from the mages end. They can enhance your arrows or your weapon of choice with an element that will further increase your damage depending on the monsters weakness. Something akin to RDM or Mystic Knight.

Different arrows are definitely fun too.

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this idea is not bad either, but this will bring another problem that the pt will always have a CNJ & a BLM fixed as with the current change CNJ have earth, wind while BLM have fire, ice and lightning

Crystals don't flood our inventory, neither should arrows if they implement a different tab for them. I think basic shots (auto attack) shouldn't consume arrows, for everything else, bring on some cool special arrows :)

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Originally Posted by RedAffinity

Crystals don't flood our inventory, neither should arrows if they implement a different tab for them. I think basic shots (auto attack) shouldn't consume arrows, for everything else, bring on some cool special arrows :)

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It was confirmed by a community rep that Archers aren't getting auto attack and that it was a mistake on the skills chart.