Glamours System

I'm sure this has been discussed before, and I've browsed around a bit to see what people think about it. I will probably bring up both suggestions and questions that have been replied to before, but I hope I can at least bring something new to the discussion. ^^

For a fantastic game with nice graphics like FF XIV, I find the glamours system a bit lacking. First of all, there are tons of gear that look cool in the game. For those who want to collect and keep all of these pieces of gear just in case they want to use it for glamour, inventory space is going to run out quickly. The prisms aren't a problem, but I can't say that they help either.

EDIT (Thanks for the heads up Canadane!):
Wouldn't a wardrobe system be better? I don't know how hard it'd be on the servers to kind of "store" all of the gear (minus recolors) in some kind of wardrobe log. If you could trade in your gear there to "store" it for future usage, the storage problem would be solved. The glamours system would also become easier - you just pick what you want from the wardrobe, and you can still pay in prisms. Right now, you need to keep all the gear that you may want to glamour, and then you need to try them on separately since it's pretty hard to remember how each of them actually look. Basically, it'd be like adding a collection minigame for those who like the fashion aspect of this game. Adding gear would bind it to your character, but add it permanently to the wardrobe.

I'm sure this question has been answered before too, but I'm a bit confused regarding the different glamour restrictions. Why can't DoM equip DoW glamour? You can play all classes on one character, so that can't be the problem. (Model-wise) Is it the animations? Is it so people won't become confused? I mean, I look at the class/job icon more often than what gear they have equipped.

Edit your post and you bypass the 1000 character limit.
Also they've already confirmed they're increasing inventory space for the coming expansion.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Edit your post and you bypass the 1000 character limit.
Also they've already confirmed they're increasing inventory space for the coming expansion.

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Thanks, didn't know that hehe! Increasing inventory space is good of course, but I still think a wardrobe system would be so much better. (Not a main priority change, but just a nice feature)

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Originally Posted by AntasticTunes

I'm sure this question has been answered before too, but I'm a bit confused regarding the different glamour restrictions. Why can't DoM equip DoW glamour? You can play all classes on one character, so that can't be the problem. (Model-wise) Is it the animations? Is it so people won't become confused? I mean, I look at the class/job icon more often than what gear they have equipped.

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They answered this around the same time they said glamours wouldn't be allowed for PvP. It's to "make sure" that people won't mistake one role for another. ...which gets annoying when so much caster gear is considered "all classes" when heavy armor, certain leathers/shirts get a DoW or tank-only designation.

I've always wanted to put tank gear on my healer.... what if it was possible like this...if you want to glam a job class gear that isn't your job you MUST have both jobs to max level ex.) glam BRD top on WHM player MUST have WHM and BRD max level. If player has one but not the other it will not work and relic gear CANNOT be glamed to job other than it's job specific gear. I also like the glam wardrobe idea :)

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Originally Posted by YuzukiHibiya

I've always wanted to put tank gear on my healer.... what if it was possible like this...if you want to glam a job class gear that isn't your job you MUST have both jobs to max level ex.) glam BRD top on WHM player MUST have WHM and BRD max level.

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I've always said that if you can equip it normally, you should be able to wear it as a glamour. The game can already detect this too. In the gear detail box, if you can equip it on another job, the equipable class text color appears as white. Otherwise it appears as red. If you can equip it on your current job, the text color is green. I would assume at least some of the necessary logic is already in the game.

Also, with all the particle effects going on, and HUD taking up screen space, I doubt that many people even pay attention to the other players, much less what other players are wearing.

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Originally Posted by reiichi

They answered this around the same time they said glamours wouldn't be allowed for PvP. It's to "make sure" that people won't mistake one role for another. ...which gets annoying when so much caster gear is considered "all classes" when heavy armor, certain leathers/shirts get a DoW or tank-only designation.

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The mistaken role excuse was dead on arrival because of bikinis

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

The mistaken role excuse was dead on arrival because of bikinis

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to add to this, it's almost hard to mistake one's role in pvp since names aren't shown on top of the character but their class/job instead

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Originally Posted by Astyrah

to add to this, it's almost hard to mistake one's role in pvp since names aren't shown on top of the character but their class/job instead

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9/10 I'm looking at the characters roles names then the actually player themselves.

It's lame excuse if people can't see the other's job because of gear. Like in what case you will confused with other's job? Even in party list you can see the job icon of each person.

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Originally Posted by Eul

It's lame excuse if people can't see the other's job because of gear. Like in what case you will confused with other's job? Even in party list you can see the job icon of each person.

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Yet, with MNK/Tanks, the i230 gear looks VERY similar...

I feel like the "mistaking one job for another job" excuse is also a very poor excuse because eventually, certain pieces of gear that may have been job specific get recolors, and can be equipped by other jobs. Example, the i70 dungeon gear for dragoon (can't remember the name off the top of my head), was later recolored and used as the level 51 Archaeoskin crafting/gather sets.

Same how the Coat of the Lost Thief/Red Thief/Ghost Thief from St. Mocianne's/Pharos Sirius HM was released as the healer/caster gear for Xelphatol and Gubal HM.

I'm fine with a sort of "collectible" system for armor- possibly even baked into the armoire or something to make it that much more useful. I just don't see the purpose in having people hoard horribly outdated gear for the sake of the models. no amount of inventory space or retainers will fix the problem of hoarding.

Armor RESTRICTIONS though? Well one one hand I see how it's silly a level 60 paladin somehow doesnt have the ability to wear some cheap magical imprint of their old armor (I'm referring to the ilvl 90 set) even if theyre walking around as a WAR or something.... but I think that's the point.

Not to mention the fits people would have about ninja-loot because healers are taking tank loot now. because glamour. Actually, on that note, expanding the pool of potential glamour would only BLOAT the issue because youre now hoarding MORE loot...

I like the system as it is, though I wish it were.... unlocked earlier. New sprouts are just SoL on their own look, especially if an event is going on. and on an alt, 1-50 is a bit of a boring slog as is. It honestly wouldnt hurt having it a bit earlier.... like dye.

I would rather have the Art team actually design armors better than have it all default to "you can glamour anything you want". Let us have 1, ONE healer or caster glamour with some weight to it. Robes are all fine and good, but thats when that's ALL it is for a role, we get to here. people wanting other people's stuff. If we have restrictions, i'd like to see some choice within the restriction. recolors of old armors doesnt do it for me when dye is a thing that exists.

I would love to just have a skin log, rather than have a ton of things in my inventory

I will totally sign up to this a Glamour log of sorts would be amazing to have, to be fair having a slight restriction on who can wear what is fine even WoW has restrictions on gear so I'm fine with it but please SE all my retainers are full and my inventory only has so much space left.

Pretty much all of the glamour armor restrictions are stupid. You should be able to dress up your level 1 character in full Dreadwyrm glamour if you want. You should be able to dress your healer like a tin can if you want. You should be able to dress your battle-hardened tank in their smallclothes if you want (owait - you CAN!).

SE had to explicitly add code forbidding putting certain types of armor glamour on certain classes or levels - it was extra development effort, whose only real purpose was to make players less happy! This makes no sense at all.

I can understand certain outfits being restricted by gender. It's a lot of work to redesign a female outfit to fit a male, or vice versa (not that they haven't gone that extra mile for the vice versa more than a time or two). But the restrictions by job or level were dumb from the start, and are still dumb now - and since the models already exist fixing it is literally as simple as removing the bits of code restricting it!

Current glamour system is broken, please fix it Square Enix & Producer Yoshida!...

What we need:

.- Wardrobe to store all acquired gear.
.- Hundreds of glamour save slots for quick and easy glamouring.¹

This way I wouldn't need to have 4 healer gear sets for my daily dressing needs, I could just apply my desired look onto a single highest item level gear set!... :)

Notes: ¹ Do not confuse with gear set save slots.

I can just agree with most of you. Sure, some might not see the point of having a wardrobe/glamour log that stores all acquired gear, and it isn't a gamechanging feature, but honestly it would just be so much better than the current system. Sometimes, you don't want to just go with the whole set of a particular costume. Sometimes, you might even want to use lower level gear to get that specific look. I just think that it's unfortunate that, with the nice looking gear and general graphics, so many restrictions are put in place (both deliberately and not) when it comes to glamour.

I hope that SE changes its mind regarding the cross-discipline glamour restrictions too. As others have stated, gear that can be equipped by all classes kind of delete the argument of "not being able to identify the class". And since one character has access to all classes, it isn't a problem of character models or even just locking you out of gear for certain classes. It's just a restriction put there to... restrict? That sounded a bit stupid, but there's no real point that I can see with it.

Aside from the obvious Inventory Storage issues, the biggest problem I have with the system is that so much gear is shared across so many jobs to start with.

If you glamoured the Hailstorm coat of healing to look like the Whm artifact for example. be great for a whm. but when a sch typically uses that same body piece they can't glamour it without removing the whm glamour.
Same thing with the more recent Shire sets. custodians armor for example. if you glamoured it to look like a creed cuirass. be great for pld but you couldn't then glamour it for warrior or dark.

Hate how so many of the sets are shared across so multiple jobs. one of things I actually liked about esoetics was it genrally looked the part for your job. the creed armor was very paladiny. the iga very ninja like (which is rare. very little of the ninja gear actually looks ninja like)

then like the hellfire set or shire set. where its a one look for all and it's not a particularly fitting look for any of the classes that use it

It warms my soul to see so many people supporting this. I remember a year or so ago, if someone brought up this suggestion they were shouted down by angry people talking about how glamour is perfect and we better just be happy we got anything at all. >_<

The game does need this, and devs probably know this and have a document somewhere that says "How do we implement glamour wardrobe?". Seriously, this is not something that is just "added to the game", it would be an entire overhaul to the gear system, a fundamental change to the core of the game. Give it time, it will come eventually as expansion content.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

SE had to explicitly add code forbidding putting certain types of armor glamour on certain classes or levels - it was extra development effort, whose only real purpose was to make players less happy! This makes no sense at all.

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...you mean that same bit of code that restricts a level 1 character from using ilvl 270 gear? That same bit of code that prevents a SCH from equipping Fending gear?
The restriction for glamour is based on what is equippable for your job, and the level restriction of the base item. How does this "not make sense at all."? Glamour doesnt really make much distinction between itself and the ability to equip the item in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

The game does need this, and devs probably know this and have a document somewhere that says "How do we implement glamour wardrobe?". Seriously, this is not something that is just "added to the game", it would be an entire overhaul to the gear system, a fundamental change to the core of the game. Give it time, it will come eventually as expansion content.

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And this is why lifting such restrictions would take alot more than removing or modifying some code. Glamour is very tightly bound to the gear system itself. Changing it would have quite an impact on gear itself.

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

...you mean that same bit of code that restricts a level 1 character from using ilvl 270 gear? That same bit of code that prevents a SCH from equipping Fending gear?
The restriction for glamour is based on what is equippable for your job, and the level restriction of the base item. How does this "not make sense at all."? Glamour doesnt really make much distinction between itself and the ability to equip the item in the first place.




And this is why lifting such restrictions would take alot more than removing or modifying some code. Glamour is very tightly bound to the gear system itself. Changing it would have quite an impact on gear itself.

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Are you a dev? How do you know if it would take five minutes or five years to fix? How do you know it isn't just a allclassglam:1 line of pre-existing code that allows glamours to crossclass?

You are not a dev. You do not know. Stop pretending that you do.

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Originally Posted by NolLacnala

Are you a dev? How do you know if it would take five minutes or five years to fix? How do you know it isn't just a allclassglam:1 line of pre-existing code that allows glamours to crossclass?

You are not a dev. You do not know. Stop pretending that you do.

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And how do you or the person I replied is or not? This could turn into a huge circlejerk of denial.

I will retract my statement on if it's the SAME line of code, but denying that glamour is somehow not tied directly to gear itself is a dilusion

When you click "try on" for a weapon, it previews your character with whatever weapon you're trying to look at + whatever gear you have on. So in that window you can quite literally be in scholars artifact gear while holding a DRK's weapon. Battle stance included.

I really would question their ability to do da codez if they couldn't do something as simple as no restriction glamour...although them being unable to and them not wanting to are two different things.