Please, for the love of all that is good in MMOs, put a weapon ilvl requirement on ex

I'm sick of doing ex roulettes with undergeared players who choose to deck themselves out in full 230 non-upgraded lore running with a i160 weapon they got from a dungeon released over a year ago. I'm sick of it.

Dev team, if you want this game to be healthy, you need to start putting requirements like these on matched content. Runs are taking wayyyyy too long when you get paired with DPS who just don't care.

I'm not even asking for a high requirement, I think i200+ would be fine for expert (I'd prefer 230+ but after spending 30 minutes in Xelphatol because of subpar DPS, I'll gladly take 200).

It's really crappy and I hate it when this happens.

or just make the weapons easier to obtain after the next tomestones are implemented like with poetics, let the allagan stone for the weapons be buyable with tomestones.

I'm sorry your faceroll content isn't quite faceroll enough for you

I've never seen anything less than i200 in any content, but I can understand how one could. When Soldiery was here, you only needed enough of it to get an i200 weapon. Now you need the Lore AND an item gained from trading an object from 6 runs of A8 (which nobody wants to run constantly, let's face it). Or you keep running PotD in hopes that you can get +30 on both arms and armor so you can trade it for a 235 weapon. It's more...annoying to get a 200+ weapon now. :/

Would be nice to have the tomestone items that you need to buy the weapons, be bought with lore. While I'm all for trying to keep old content relavent.. I'm far to lazy to run A8 a bunch to get enough gears to get the tome. 240 weapons are the new norm, and for god sake, you can buy 250 crafted weapons... get with it dev team!!

They could just release weapons with the dungeons. Why not an ilv225 weapon dropping from the EX roulettes, to go with the equipment sets? It's green, not meldable and way behind the current tier weapons, so there's no reason not to add it.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I've never seen anything less than i200 in any content, but I can understand how one could. When Soldiery was here, you only needed enough of it to get an i200 weapon. Now you need the Lore AND an item gained from trading an object from 6 runs of A8 (which nobody wants to run constantly, let's face it). Or you keep running PotD in hopes that you can get +30 on both arms and armor so you can trade it for a 235 weapon. It's more...annoying to get a 200+ weapon now. :/

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It is not 6 runs of A8. It was 7 runs but it is NOW 4 runs and you can do them back-to-back unlike before.

When you can literally get a 230 weapon in an afternoon worth of work, there is no excuse for having i160 weapon in a i210 dungeon. No excuse. No reason for it. And SE needs to BAR that behavior from -ever- happening. It's uncanny.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I'm sorry your faceroll content isn't quite faceroll enough for you

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Not the point. Dungeons shouldn't be taking upwards of 30+ minutes all because someone is too lazy to upgrade their weapon. And SE shouldn't allow this to even happen. When the weapon is the #1 determining factor in your damage output, it needs to be considered by SE to put restrictions in place like this. Are you really telling me you'd be OK with being paired with 2 DPS that have subpar weapons yet the rest of their gear is decked out? Are you really trying to insinuate this?

The NIN I was stuck with previously was doing around 600 dps. Full 230 , 160 weapon. Literally HALF of his DPS at this point in the game is missing because of his gimp i160 weapon. SE should maybe put a restriction on EX roulette, and even the 60 roulette, where you need to have a weapon of suitable ilvl before entering.

Sorry you didn't understand. (I know now why I don't come here - too many...)

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

They could just release weapons with the dungeons. Why not an ilv225 weapon dropping from the EX roulettes, to go with the equipment sets? It's green, not meldable and way behind the current tier weapons, so there's no reason not to add it.

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I will gladly take this over the current system. It's baffling to me how anyone could walk into a dungeon with a weapon ilvl 50 lower than the dungeon's average requirement. Simply blasphemy, I tell you.

Maybe if it didn't require 4 clears of a nonetheless obsolete dungeon (hour+ queues here) just to be able to then purchase the weapon with tomes, we'd see a lot more up-to-date weapons among casual players?

Personally I'd just like to see more ways to get weapons at this point, such as easily known challenge modes or achievement bits within dungeons over ilvl 160.

Another thing that would help is of course more accurate ilvl weights. If the ilvl of your weapon determines so much more than the ilvl of your rings, then weigh it accordingly.

the devs made content, and want people to run it over and over, basically. more check lists of old content, u put a cute char like khloe and some spicy rewards, and lets do the old content again and again and again, and then lets do it again each week too, and then a new shiny relic appears, let's do the old content yet another time !

I wish they'd just get rid of the ilvl lol we didn't have it in 1.x days and things worked fine, player skill mattered the most, and gear was used to just enhance it

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

SE should maybe put a restriction on EX roulette, and even the 60 roulette, where you need to have a weapon of suitable ilvl before entering.

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So not only do you want this punitive restriction, you also want to make it nearly impossible for people to gear up enough to unlock the weapon in the first place. Cool story bro.

I think I understood you fine. And I promise even if SE did something this insane, you'd find something else to complain about with your parties of randoms.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Maybe if it didn't require 4 clears of a nonetheless obsolete dungeon (hour+ queues here) just to be able to then purchase the weapon with tomes

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I took time off the game and I can't even get into an A5 to start to UNLOCK A8. It's literally impossible because nobody queues for them.

I think they should really rebalance the ilvl requirements to add different weights to different slots. As well as implement it for leveling dungeons. The number of times I ran into tanks using ilvl 90 weapons in Sohm Ahl (leveling alts), where they really should have ilvl 125 (or hell, at least 115!) gear was astounding.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

I think they should really rebalance the ilvl requirements to add different weights to different slots.

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Definitely - A new weapon (or chest) is far, far more valuable than a new accessory and consequently higher priced, but they both count the same for average iLvL. You can have a full 260 right side, a full level 1 left side and you'd still be able to do any of the 50s dungeons in that, to name an extreme example. You shouldn't even be able to do Brayflox in that >_>

I definitely think that weapons are weighted too heavily as far as performance goes. It's just way too big a contributor to your output for how difficult it is to upgrade. Rather than enacting some kind of ridiculous restrictions on people for not being able to upgrade their weapons, let's have weapons be less of a big deal. Spread out the numbers to secondary stats more so that they're more important.

Weapons should still be a big deal.. but right now they're far too big a deal.

The ilvl restriction could be also changed to "min ilvl" instead of "average min ilvl".
at the moment we have average min ilvl: the average of your gear has this ilvl
better would be min ilvl: every piece of your gear has at least this ilvl

This content isn't meant to have restrictions since it is very easy. This never bothered me.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

They could just release weapons with the dungeons. Why not an ilv225 weapon dropping from the EX roulettes, to go with the equipment sets? It's green, not meldable and way behind the current tier weapons, so there's no reason not to add it.

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THIS! I've never understood why only trials, Savage raids & story mode dungeons have the tendency to drop weapons. It's over a year since HW appeared & the only way to get good lvl60 weapons in HW exclusive content is the EX, Savage or tomestone method. Of course they can be crafted but theoretically even ARR players could buy those, even if unable to use them.

I would love weapon drops in dungeons so I could actually level my blacksmith desynthesis from dungeons. Even alchemists would finally have something to desynth with the books.

How often does it happen that you find someone in EX with such a low weapon? I never saw that before. Most people are way overgeared for that faceroll stuff anyway.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

How often does it happen that you find someone in EX with such a low weapon? I never saw that before. Most people are way overgeared for that faceroll stuff anyway.

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Quite often. You also see people with random crap on the right side to hit the ilevel. There was a discussion on Reddit recently regarding people using the terrible i250 NQ weapons to get into the 3.4 content too.

I'd appreciate a more accessible way to obtain weapons. I'm actually thinking right now and I'm not sure what a new player is supposed to do at this point.

Say someone just bought Heavensward, dinged 60, and finished the story. So now they're ready for endgame content.... but how do they get a weapon? I have a 210 weapon because I was playing at the beginning of the expansion and that was available to me. But what do you do now? Getting a tomestone weapon requires unlocking a ton of content, getting an EX Primal weapon requires first a learning group and then a farming group which all have inflated ilvl requirements because they're farming mounts not obsolete weapons, and getting a savage weapon... lol.

Do they have to do the anima questline? Or grind PotD for a while? And what does the game do to point people in the right direction? Because if you said "nothing," you're right.

The old eso weapon is probably the quickest for new 60s now.
If a new player did their daily hunts as they leveled through Heavensward they should have enough Centurio Seals to buy some of the old i200 equips from the vendor in Ishgard and upgrade them to i210.
Granted unlocking daily hunts may not be obvious to new players as it requires ranking up in your GC to unlock the ARR hunt board first.

and here Yoshi thought iLevel would eliminate people going into content under geared...gear level should be hidden and automatically checked by the game when entering content, that way we don't get people like the OP or worse people who drop from the dungeon or blindly voting to kick another player because they don't agree with the gear they have. If the the system lets you in the content it means you pass the minimum requirements to get in. Or better yet get rid of ilevel...if people only judge you because of the ilevel gear you have as opposed to how well you play the content then it stands to reason there will be a lot of players stressed by the fact that they won't get to play the game and enjoy themselves. And that I'm sure is not something Yoshi and his team wants.

On the one hand, I can almost (but ONLY almost) see the OP's point. I did a Dusk Vigil run a while back with an AST who'd never bothered to upgrade his weapon from the base one the intro quest gave him (so i30 compared to at least halfway decent stuff in other slots), and it was...a bit more stressful than usual. But we cleared, even if it took a little longer. The AST made it clear that he didn't think he'd made that big a mistake given the rest of his gear, we adapted our strat as a whole, and moved on. As someone who's never been super into speed runs, I'd ultimately say that that's the deciding factor: if you can clear, there's no problem, even if it takes longer than someone's definition of "acceptable."

But I'm not one of the "pro" players, so...what do I know, right? XD

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Originally Posted by Allistar

and here Yoshi thought iLevel would eliminate people going into content under geared...gear level should be hidden and automatically checked by the game when entering content, that way we don't get people like the OP or worse people who drop from the dungeon or blindly voting to kick another player because they don't agree with the gear they have. If the the system lets you in the content it means you pass the minimum requirements to get in. Or better yet get rid of ilevel...if people only judge you because of the ilevel gear you have as opposed to how well you play the content then it stands to reason there will be a lot of players stressed by the fact that they won't get to play the game and enjoy themselves. And that I'm sure is not something Yoshi and his team wants.

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No. I had a tank who popped in Antitower with an augmented Ironworks weapon. That's a level 200+ dungeon, and he was using a 130 weapon. I tanked that dungeon, because he sure wasn't going to.

Getting 200+ gear is kind of a pain, yes, but you should also put in the effort to at least find something appropriate instead of just saying "~muh playstyle~". You're wasting three other people's time, just so you can save some yourself.

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Originally Posted by fm_fenrir

Getting 200+ gear is kind of a pain, yes, but you should also put in the effort to at least find something appropriate instead of just saying "~muh playstyle~". You're wasting three other people's time, just so you can save some yourself.

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One of the big problems is that once stuff gets old it becomes "hidden". Unless you know to search online for old Eso gear in order to find out where it is from now then you won't know of its existence. There needs to be something in the lvl60 job quest that either gives a i190 weapon or tells the player how to start gearing up.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I took time off the game and I can't even get into an A5 to start to UNLOCK A8. It's literally impossible because nobody queues for them.

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Easy solution. Put up PF with clear message that you would like to do A5-A8 WITH A BONUS and you will have full group in 5 minutes. People really need those 2nd chance points for Khloe.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

Say someone just bought Heavensward, dinged 60, and finished the story. So now they're ready for endgame content.... but how do they get a weapon? ... Getting a tomestone weapon requires unlocking a ton of content, getting an EX Primal weapon requires first a learning group and then a farming group which all have inflated ilvl requirements because they're farming mounts not obsolete weapons, and getting a savage weapon... lol.

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You can always go to MB and buy IL250 HQ one.

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Originally Posted by Galborion

You can always go to MB and buy IL250 HQ one.

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For the sake of argument, let's assume this person does not have tens of millions of gil laying around.