This can never be said enough -
1 - We should be able to sell a house - you don't don't get to choose the amount. One option - Full non-depreciated value of the lot. Seller purchases a Letter of Tender (ie 100 gil from vendor - mails letter to purchaser (since you can only mail someone on your friend list) Purchaser accepts sale (ie 16 mil gil). House is his/hers - seller gets the gil.
2 - We should be able to re purpose our own house from a personal house to an FC house - non reversible. IE you cannot go from a FC house to a personal house.
Housing Sell / Re-purpose
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11-03-2016, 05:21 AMAaeerwenHousing Sell / Re-purpose
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11-03-2016, 05:54 AMDustytome
Why would they want to give you the full gil back from something intended to be a gil sink? Considering the amount people get after waiting 45 days for their house to be auto-demoed I doubt they're ever going to give someone full price back, especially insantly.
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11-03-2016, 06:04 AMManuelBravo
Correct not likely to happen. Think of it this way. What you spend on it as an FC house will always happen. If you want to sell your house as an FC you will never get back I would do a FC master change. have a trusted third party accept the transaction and then change masters. It's a bit risky but is really the opnly way you will get even close to what you want to get.
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11-03-2016, 07:46 AMAaeerwenSimply set it to 80% or 60% of the returned non-depreciated value. Point is it should never provide a profit back to the original purchaser (for obvious reasons). The take-away here is the mechanic that would allow a clean transfer of property.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
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11-03-2016, 08:42 AMDustytome
Which sounds nice, however there's still the matter of garnering a profit outside of that system. I think the intention square had was that once an owner is finished with the house they leave it back to the open market. Unfortunately steps were never taken to provide some kind of random release of a property (and for them to give up a chance to add rng to something?!) so people are selling the release of the property at premium prices. If they ever make it so housing is not a limited resource and perhaps people can sell per-decorated houses then I think it's a great idea, but not with the current system.
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11-03-2016, 12:26 PMChocolysTo help making available house plots for player/FC who wants one but can't since they're all taken. I'm sure like me there is some other players who just keep a kind of unactive house around simply because they don't want to demolish it for nothing. Now if I can could be able to sell it back ( And I don't mean fore higher than what it costed me), I would certainly do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
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11-03-2016, 12:58 PMDustytomeYou can simply wait out the 45 days without entering the house and get a chunk back for the time being. I've actually suggested in the past that let people manually demo for a chunk back instantly too, but it's my opinion that there needs to be something in place (an rng chunk of time) to stop the reselling and allow the house back on the open market. Overall it's up to Square though what happens. They haven't made mention of any planned changes to the system other than adding a new district in the upcoming expansion, but there's always hoping they make some tweaks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chocolys
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11-12-2016, 01:55 AMckc22
The first change made to housing needs to be account limitations. Period. The system is broken.
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11-12-2016, 05:40 PMLesanAnd to ban house owners from owning appartments on top of it. Plus Appartment eviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckc22
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11-13-2016, 02:41 AMPyrali
The answer is obvious.
The amount you get for the 45 day demo?
Give that to players for voluntarily demolishing their house.
I know people who want to get rid of houses but don't want to lose all their money, and waiting 45 days is a pain. -
11-13-2016, 03:07 AMLunaxia
> Limit (personal) housing to one per service account.
> Completely ban selling on plots and let people release their houses for the same amount as you get when the auto-demolition timer goes off.
> Possibly add a window of 45 days before you can relinquish your house yourself so people cannot buy to immediately resell. -
11-13-2016, 04:11 AMworldofneilThat money is supposed to be compensation for having had the house removed from you. If you give it up yourself there's nothing to compensate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrali
Houses are still supposed to be a gil sink and it wasn't until they actually added the 80% compensation that people started wanting that money to remove their house. When most of us bought our houses we believed that we would never get any of that money back and we still bought it. -
11-15-2016, 01:55 PMPyraliI believe you only get like 80% back so you're still losing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by worldofneil
It would just make people more willing to relinquish their plots instead for waiting for them to time out.
If the game gave them back that 80%, I doubt I'd see as many people in the PF asking for several Million Gil to relinquish. -
11-15-2016, 02:29 PMDustytomeYou'd most likely still see it and as a bonus they'd get 80% of what they paid on the placard back too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrali
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11-18-2016, 01:03 AMNiwashiIt's true that that's when it started, but since it's now the case, people who want to relinquish their houses are doing so by simply abandoning them and waiting 45 days to get that 80% back. So housing has already lost 80% of its gilsink function, whether SE adds the same partial refund on relinquishing or not. All it would do is eliminate the 45 days of extra delay before the prior owner gets their money or new players get a chance to purchase it.Quote:
Originally Posted by worldofneil
It's already against the rules. To prevent it happening anyway, just add a delay between the relinquish and the plot going back up for sale. For 3 or 4 days after the plot is relinquished (or after an abandoned one is reclaimed), have both the housing ward selection window and the placard in front of the house state the date and time it will go back up for sale. Everyone who cares to check will know about the upcoming availability and be on an equal footing with the person trying to illegally "purchase" it. I doubt anyone would pay millions of gil just to be one of many with an equal chance to get the plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
You'd most likely still see it and as a bonus they'd get 80% of what they paid on the placard back too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyrali
Give the prior owner the 80% so they aren't adding in an extra 45 delay when they decide to relinquish it. Then give everyone enough notice so players wanting to buy have an equal chance to do so. And the illegal buying and selling of the plots (and associated hoarding of them) stops. -
11-18-2016, 02:52 AMDustytomeI agree and that's been suggested multiple times (although I don't like the exact time of relinquishment posted as I think that'll lead to people stacking on the placard), but Square has decided against any sort of change to the system thus far. Maybe someone can throw the suggestion of a small random relinquishment timer to prevent resale for the next live letter? I never seem to find where to post the questions to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niwashi